The warmers are becoming skeptics

[AlBell]

Tamino has told you exactly what he has done. What particular part of his method has you bothered?

I'd say your exactly and my exactly may differ.

From some a 'lukewarmer' site.

http://rankexploits.com/musings/2010/effect-of-dropping-station-data/

A long discussion from people on both sides of the fence.

And, round and round we go.

 

[a_unique_person]

I'd say your exactly and my exactly may differ.


And, round and round we go.

Another 'I want a pony for christmas' er. RTFE, then get back to me.

 

[BeAChooser]

Unbeknownst to BaC, UHI and elevation effects have long been known and discounted amongst the scientific community.

http://www.climategate.com/urban-heat-island-effect-proven-to-corrupt-aussie-climate-data

Urban Heat Island Effect proven to corrupt Aussie climate data

by EDITOR on FEBRUARY 17, 2010

We are delighted to showcase this latest study by Graham Dick that is set to add spice to the already hot debate over Australian surface temperatures. This analysis explodes the mainstream myth that urban heat island (UHI) temperature contamination has no effect on the Aussie temperature record. Australiagate is now a raging torrent bursting through the climate floodgates.

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Conclusion

The claim, that UHI content has no effect on the national temperature record, is not supported by this study in which the national temperature trend is represented by long record temperature stations (LRTS). Warming since 1960 of recognised UHI, Sydney and Melbourne, is greater than national warming by a factor of 2 or more. Likewise, BoM’s statement of annual mean temperature anomalies for Australia (MTAA) overstates warming by a factor of 2. That exaggeration of the national trend increases when a small sample of UHI are removed from the LRTS set. Further increase is expected when other suspect stations are confirmed as UHI and removed from consideration. (Quantitative estimates stated here are subject to statistical confirmation.)

 

[BeAChooser]

Unbeknownst to BaC, UHI and elevation effects have long been known and discounted amongst the scientific community.

 

[BeAChooser]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7044158.ece

The benchmark report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) said that a worldwide increase in hurricane-force storms since 1970 was probably linked to global warming.

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However, the latest research, just published in Nature Geoscience, paints a very different picture.

It suggests that the rise in hurricane frequency since 1995 was just part of a natural cycle, and that several similar previous increases have been recorded, each followed by a decline.

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We have come to substantially different conclusions from the IPCC,” said Chris Landsea, a lead scientist at the American government’s National Hurricane Center, who co-authored the report.

Gee … just when we thought the "science is settled" … more inconvenient truths. More reason to doubt the IPCC.

 

[lomiller]

Nothing like fighting blogs.

Got something peer-reviewed?

why are you asking for peer reviewed response to a claim presented in a blog?

 

[AlBell]

Nothing like fighting blogs.

Got something peer-reviewed?

why are you asking for peer reviewed response to a claim presented in a blog?

Good point, since "peer review" for climate science articles appears to mean Jones/Mann/Trenberth agree with the conclusions and Gavin likes it too.

 

[jmarcure]

Good point, since "peer review" for climate science articles appears to mean Jones/Mann/Trenberth agree with the conclusions and Gavin likes it too.

Well any reasonably intelligent person would have to agree that they are the experts and therefor the only creditable scientists for peer review on this subject.

 

[varwoche]

http://www.climategate.com/urban-heat-island-effect-proven-to-corrupt-aussie-climate-data

Note to self: Add optometrist to list of goofy GW cites.

Of course it's even funnier than that, seeing as the optometrist in turn cites Wattsupmyass and construction worker Willis Eisenback .

 

[BeAChooser]

http://www.examiner.com/x-32936-Sem...bergs-growing-scarcer-reports-Washington-Post

Arctic Ocean warming, icebergs growing scarce, Washington Post reports

March 2

“The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot,” according to a Commerce Department report published by the Washington Post.

Writes the Post: “Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers. . . all point to a radical change in climate conditions and . . . unheard-of temperatures in the Arctic zone . . . Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones . . . while at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.”

More evidence of human-caused global warming? Hardly.

The above report of runaway Arctic warming is from a Washington Post story published Nov. 2, 1922 and bears an uncanny resemblance to the tales of global warming splattered across the front pages of today's newspapers. It is one of many historical accounts published during the past 140 years describing climate changes and often predicting catastrophic cooling or warming.

You really need to read the list of quotes they give, folks. Some are doozies. Al Gore, eat your heart out. You were scooped.

 

[BeAChooser]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-03/haog-wsw030210.php

2 Mar 2010

Helmholtz Association of German Research Centres

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At the end of the last interglacial epoch, around 115,000 years ago, there were significant climate fluctuations. In Central and Eastern Europe, the slow transition from the Eemian Interglacial to the Weichselian Glacial was marked by a growing instability in vegetation trends with possibly at least two warming events. This is the finding of German and Russian climate researchers who have evaluated geochemical and pollen analyses of lake sediments in Saxony-Anhalt, Brandenburg and Russia.

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From reconstructions of climate history, we know that in the Earth's recent history, interglacial epochs occurred only once every 100,000 years or so and lasted for an average of around 10,000 years. The current interglacial epoch – the Holocene – has already lasted more than 10,000 years and reached its highest point so far around 6000 years ago. From a climate history perspective, we are currently at the end of the Holocene and could therefore expect to see a cooling-down in a few thousand years if there had been no human influence on the atmosphere and the resulting global warming.

Yeah ... the science is settled.

 

[BenBurch]

Once again we see somebody posting something as being against AGW that actually goes to prove it - because they didn't actually comprehend what was being written.

 

[BeAChooser]

Once again we see somebody posting something as being against AGW that actually goes to prove it - because they didn't actually comprehend what was being written.

LOL! I guess you failed to comprehend that what I posted theorizes a naturally occurring phenomena which man and our CO2 would not be responsible for causing. What you fail to comprehend is that "A" in AGW stands for Anthropogenic which means "Caused by humans". Guess you didn't actually comprehend what was being written after all.

 

[tyr_13]

LOL! I guess you failed to comprehend that what I posted theorizes a naturally occurring phenomena which man and our CO2 would not be responsible for causing. What you fail to comprehend is that "A" in AGW stands for Anthropogenic which means "Caused by humans". Guess you didn't actually comprehend what was being written after all.

Wow. Reading fail.

 

[BeAChooser]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7050525.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&attr=crickler

Ice-breakers are powering their way towards about 50 vessels, including several passenger ferries, stuck solid in the iced-over Baltic Sea between Sweden and Finland.

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“This is the worst ice cover we have seen since 1996,” said Johnny Lindvall, head of the ice-breaking unit at the Swedish Maritime Administration.

Sharp northerly winds have dramatically raised the chill factor in what is already a very cold winter, even by Scandinavian standards.

More evidence of Global Warming.

 

[GreyICE]

Hey BAC, quick question. Do you believe that the theory of the Greenhouse effect was developed in response to observed warming?

 

[Meed]

Didn't Al Gore invent the Greenhouse Effect theory while he was filming An Inconvenient Truth?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Earth hour 27 March

2009: 88 countries and 4,088 cities participated

2010: 77 countries and regions, 579 cities are signed up.

Ouch!

 

[ideogram]

Do you understand the difference between climate and weather?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I assume you are talking to me.
Yes.

Do you understand that this is a thread about the migration of opinions from 'warmers' to skeptics?
Do you also see the relevance of the post I made with regard to that?
Do you also see that your question is off topic and an attampt to deflect from same?