Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[BobTheDonkey]

An honest question, but considering that the burglar would have to climb over the glass on the sill, and then step through it on the floor, I would of thought there was a strong possibility of the glass found outside the room.

One of the thing that bothers me about the burglary then murder scenario, is that there is no forensic evidence from Filomena room, transfered to other scenes, but there is of Meredith's murder into Filomena's room (I'll add, of Meredith's murder to other places in the apartments/flat).

Agreed.

Again we see where details can be explained away...but when put into the bigger picture, the explanations don't add up.

 

[Jungle Jim]

In the Micheli Report recounting Rudy's encounter with the alleged assailant in the doorway of Meredith's bedroom, Rudy describes the man wearing "a black jacket brand Napapijri of which he had noticed the logo, a white cap bearing a red stripe in the middle..."

I wonder if the police followed up to determine if Rafaelle owned such garments.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

where were they

Where were Amanda and Raf on the night in question?

BobTheDonkey,

It would be easier to say for certain if the investigators had not burned out three hard drives and not lost information from carelessly using one in a way that erased information. No worthwhile evidence puts them at the women's flat, so I will go with Amanda's pre-5 November statements. Where do you think they were and why?

Chris

 

[BobTheDonkey]

BobTheDonkey,

It would be easier to say for certain if the investigators had not burned out three hard drives and not lost information from carelessly using one in a way that erased information. No worthwhile evidence puts them at the women's flat, so I will go with Amanda's pre-5 November statements. Where do you think they were and why?

Chris

You mean you're going with the alibi Raf referred to as "rubbish"?

I think they were in her cottage - because there are too many coincidences for them to be nothing more than mere coincidences.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

You mean you're going with the alibi Raf referred to as "rubbish"?

I think they were in her cottage - because there are too many coincidences for them to be nothing more than mere coincidences.

What objective evidence put them there?

 

[Kestrel]

About the broken window, was there any glass fragments found anywhere else in the apartments, bathrooms, hall, or Meredith Kercher's room for example?

Yes.

The defense noted pieces of glass in the crime scene video, but according to the PM they were in the kitchen and not in Meredith's room. They were mentioned in the Micheli report.

As the fragments of glass, that the subsequent clarification of the PM (but by the time the shooting stopped in the video frame, ie 01:03:12, 3 November) placed in the kitchen and not in the room of K

There was also a Y shaped void in Rudy's shoe print that may have been created by stepping on a glass fragment in FR's room.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

What objective evidence put them there?

The repositioning of the body lends itself to the multiple assailant theory, which lends itself to the evidence surrounding the burglary - the rock easily could have been thrown from the outside by Amanda/Raf the morning after, there was no evidence that Guede actually climbed through the window, much less was ever in Filomena's room.

So we've determined that there necessarily was multiple people involved and the burglary was likely staged given the lack of garden dirt in Filomena's room.

Of everyone that has a key to the front door, only Amanda has no alibi. If she had a valid alibi, why has it not been presented? The one alibi she came out with, Raf called rubbish. So that's obviously not the truth. She's on trial for murder, nothing else she could have been doing illegally would bring the same sentence.

We also have Amanda's bloody footprint in Filomena's room - the one where the blood is Meredith's. If Meredith's room was locked by the assailant, how did Amanda get enough wet blood on her foot to leave a mark at the time she said she arrived home?

I would still argue that Raf's DNA on the bra clasp is relevant. His DNA was found nowhere else in the cottage (aside from the cigarette butt). Even if he didn't touch the clasp directly, how did his DNA get into the room but not on the door/door jamb/elsewhere that was swabbed?

The footprint in the bathroom that FoA attempted to attribute to Guede is actually a better match to Raf's footprint (as the powerpoint that was linked previously in this thread demonstrates).

That puts Amanda and Raf at the cottage at some point while Meredith's blood was wet. Even if they didn't kill Meredith themselves, they were certainly involved in the "cleanup" (i.e. mopping of the floor, repositioning of the body, etc) which makes them just as culpable.

 

[piktor]

That puts Amanda and Raf at the cottage at some point while Meredith's blood was wet. Even if they didn't kill Meredith themselves, they were certainly involved in the "cleanup" (i.e. mopping of the floor, repositioning of the body, etc) which makes them just as culpable.

If the little angels were not present at the time of murder, why on earth would they reposition anything and cleanup anything Guede did. If they are totally innocent, why help the lone murderer cover his deed.

Then again, if it was Guede, why did Knox point to Lumumba, her boss. To cover for Guede- or to send police on a wild goose chase... Why is Knox covering for Guede. Does this make any sense?

Investigators take note of all these stratagems and make conclusions on the meaning of all the craziness coming from the mouth of the three suspects.

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[stilicho]

BobTheDonkey,

It would be easier to say for certain if the investigators had not burned out three hard drives and not lost information from carelessly using one in a way that erased information. No worthwhile evidence puts them at the women's flat, so I will go with Amanda's pre-5 November statements. Where do you think they were and why?

Chris

Their alibis have nothing at all to do with those other three computers.

I had thought you were talking about someone other than Lalli when you mentioned the dismissal of a medical examiner. I suppose we both should be more precise. Lalli, Liviero and Marchionni all believe the multiple attacker scenario. That's based on examination of the body and the crime scene and not a loose approximation culled from photos. Do you have an English language transcript of Lalli's cross-examination replies from April 2009?

Introna thought the room was too small for multiple attackers and Torre didn't know what position Meredith was in when she was attacked.

The anticipated report should make clearer the role of the police forensic investigators and what led them to conclude that multiple attackers were involved. We will also know whether they were believed instead of Introna or Torre.

 

[piktor]

You mean you're going with the alibi Raf referred to as "rubbish"?

I think they were in her cottage - because there are too many coincidences for them to be nothing more than mere coincidences.

I'll go with the "yoga in the closet" defence.

It is as puerile and unbelievable as all the other alibis presented by the three accused.

This kind of evasiveness by the defendants is in a way an admission of guilt. They are taking flight from veracity. Evasiveness of this kind points to guilt.

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[Dan O.]

We already know there IS NO Guede TRACE of him in Filomena's room. Not on Filomena's room exterior wall, not on the outside window sill, no trace of Guede on the broken glass still in place on the right window's frame. No Guede hairs or fiber from clothing, no fingerprints whatsoever in Filomena's room. No Guede shoe prints, no dirt from the garden below, no grass, no twigs.

If Guede climbed through the broken window, there is ZERO TRACE EVIDENCE from Guede to prove it.

There is ZERO EVIDENCE someone climbed through the broken window into Filomena's room.

All we know is that there was no such evidence released that we've been able to see. We do know that there was a hair on the outside of the window that was broken. Was that hair collected and tested? Who's hair was it?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

All we know is that there was no such evidence released that we've been able to see. We do know that there was a hair on the outside of the window that was broken. Was that hair collected and tested? Who's hair was it?

Where was Amanda on the night in question?

 

[Dan O.]

Where was Rudy?

 

[BobTheDonkey]

Where was Rudy?

We already know, and agree, where Rudy was.

Where was Amanda?

 

[Dan O.]

We already know, and agree, where Rudy was.

We've heard rumors about where Rudy was. But where is the evidence?

 

[stilicho]

We've heard rumors about where Rudy was. But where is the evidence?

RG placed himself at the cottage during Meredith's murder. So did AK. AK reported hearing Meredith scream when she was being attacked. So did RG. AK knew about the scream before RG was even apprehended.

They back up each other's stories very well, don't you think?

 

[shuttlt]

It would be easier to say for certain if the investigators had not burned out three hard drives and not lost information from carelessly using one in a way that erased information.

I thought all the hard drives that mattered had eventually had all their data retrieved without loss. The drive from Amanda's laptop is the one that hasn't been recovered I think. Isn't the only claim with respect to that that it may contain some photo's of Amanda and Meredith to support the claim that they were friends? Does Amanda claim she was doing something on the laptop that would establish an alibi? Is the thought that perhaps the laptop contains something to establish an alibi that neither Amanda, nor Raffaele can remember?

 

[piktor]

We've heard rumors about where Rudy was. But where is the evidence?

Guede told police he was taking a poop at Pergola 7. He told an Italian friend in an internet call from Germany he and the victim were having physical relations. He also told police he tried to stop the victim's bleeding with two towels after the attack.

He was there alright. He does not deny this.

 

[piktor]

Caution: crooked evidence tampering ahead

All we know is that there was no such evidence released that we've been able to see. We do know that there was a hair on the outside of the window that was broken. Was that hair collected and tested? Who's hair was it?

If you are implying the investigation is witholding evidence, what is your proof.

In Italy the investigation is led by a JUDGE, -ergo we have to imply with a not too disguised smirk- this has to be a wholly in-character Italian farce.

The judges hearing this case could have been bamboozled by Inspector Clouseau and the Crooked Perugia Police AND the nefarious Perugian female Flying Squad! (The little pink vibrator that shook Perugia's policewomen to the bolts!)

Or, maybe this investigation has actually passed review by more than twenty judges. The Kercher family endorses the investigation and the verdict. These are facts, not rumours.

Knox has called the process "fair" or "correct", whichever. So has one of her two Italian lawyers.

The trial went on for eleven months. The defence has not brought up anything resembling a miscarriage of justice carried out by Italian authorities. American "experts" yakking away from afar about the infamy of it all, will beg to disagree, of course.

We know several computer hard drives were destroyed by investigators. We know this because investigators themselves reported it. We know the bra clasp was first photographed in one place and several weeks later it was photographed in a different place when it was removed by investigators for analysis. This we know because we saw the police video and was reported by investigators.

We have proof that investigators are reporting shoddy police work and documenting it.

If anyone has proof of evidence witholding or evidence tampering, there is still time and two appeals for the two little angels to be freed.

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[shuttlt]

We know several computer hard drives were destroyed by investigators.

Surely this word should be damaged rather than destroyed?