What about this crop circle?

[Stray Cat]

Is this the Merlin you mean?

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheMerlinartist

Yes, that looks like him.

 

[Stray Cat]

Ok, moving on. Someone (maybe Jim Schnabel, maybe "Merlin") made a crappy circle in that private farmland and left a crop circle board game and some wire behind.

I don't know that it was a crappy circle... It may well have been quite a good one, though I'm sure that when it discovered to be made by people, it will have been described subjectively as crappy.

And something made Colin think there was some sort of UFO lightshow over that private farmland, getting his hopes of success up. Is that right?

The observers in the caravan at one point saw lights moving on their monitor screens. They were using CCTV cameras with IR night vision.
I'm not sure why no one actually bothered to go down the hill to see what was happening.

Does Jim still make circles? Or do anything artistic?

No, I don't think he makes circles, but if he did, he'd probably stay quiet about it.
He writes books and articles. You can look this stuff up yourself you know?
http://jimschnabel.com/

 

[Limbo]

I don't know that it was a crappy circle...

0:48 - 0:56



Worst. Circle. Ever. And thus Colin was humiliated and crop circles effectively debunked.

Meanwhile, back at the farm leased to a local farmer by the MoD, there is yet another circle involved in the Blackbird drama. Right?

 

[Stray Cat]

0:48 - 0:56



Worst. Circle. Ever. And thus Colin was humiliated and crop circles effectively debunked.

Meanwhile, back at the farm leased to a local farmer by the MoD, there is yet another circle involved in the Blackbird drama. Right?

Sorry Limbo that link isn't working for me, I don't know what the source is.

No, the MoD leased farm circle didn't have anything to do with Operation Blackbird, I only mentioned it because Halls video mentioned the military looking into a crop circle case. Sorry if that confused.

 

[Limbo]

Sorry Limbo that link isn't working for me, I don't know what the source is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWwqa7ZaUA

No, the MoD leased farm circle didn't have anything to do with Operation Blackbird, I only mentioned it because Halls video mentioned the military looking into a crop circle case. Sorry if that confused.

Ok.

Do you know anything about this?

"In the interest of full disclosure, its important to start here by revealing that a second covert surveillance operation also took place at the same time as Blackbird. The Army themselves undertook surveillance around Silbury Hill, just 19 miles away from the Blackbird site. What they secured was a video film of a large bright orb over fields to the south of the Silbury hill and also they filmed with low light cameras a group of six men entering a field in the vicinity around mid-night. A link to this frame grab is coming shortly."

http://www.colinandrews.net/Biography-03.html

 

[Stray Cat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWwqa7ZaUA

Thanks I'll watch that in a minute.

Ok.

Do you know anything about this?

"In the interest of full disclosure, its important to start here by revealing that a second covert surveillance operation also took place at the same time as Blackbird. The Army themselves undertook surveillance around Silbury Hill, just 19 miles away from the Blackbird site. What they secured was a video film of a large bright orb over fields to the south of the Silbury hill and also they filmed with low light cameras a group of six men entering a field in
the vicinity around mid-night. A link to this frame grab is coming shortly."

http://www.colinandrews.net/Biography-03.html

I'd have to look it up, nothing springs to mind immediately.
I will say speculatively from past experience of Colin Andrews that he often promises "coming shorty" and for one reason and another, it never does. I doubt very much that this is anything but an unevidenced story. But I'll have a scout around and see what I can find from my references.

 

[Stray Cat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeWwqa7ZaUA

Another strange thing about the perception of the crop circles is that as soon as one is suspected to be a hoax, it is described as crappy, shoddily made, broken stems etc. It's certainly not the crappyest ever and for that time, it was relatively par for the course.
By today's standards it was crap, but when Colin Andrews, Pat Delgado and Terence Meaden started looking at crop circles, they were single circles or simple triplets/quadruplets, so we can't judge it by today's standards.

 

[Limbo]

Do plz let me know about the second covert surveillance operation.

Do you know anything about the Blackbird drama that isn't commonly known?

 

[Stray Cat]

Do plz let me know about the second covert surveillance operation.

Yes, it wont be tonight though, it's after three in the morning here.

Do you know anything about the Blackbird drama that isn't commonly known?

No, it was before my time and I only know about it through books and talking to people who were around then.
It really is worth getting Jim Schnabels book for a humorous and informed look into the goings on at that time. You can pick 2nd hand copies up on Amazon for about $5 sometimes.

 

[RayG]

Do plz let me know about the second covert surveillance operation.

Do you know anything about the Blackbird drama that isn't commonly known?

If you mean this blackbird, then, yeah.



RayG

 

[Limbo]

Yes, it wont be tonight though, it's after three in the morning here.

Ok, take your time.

Stray Cat, you said Colin wasn't set up, he set himself up. I'm not so sure of that. The whole thing seems rather fishy to me.

If I approach Operation Blackbird under the assumption that paranormal forces exist and are occasionally involved in the crop circle drama, then the likely conclusion is Colin was set up in order to banish the phenomenon to the tabloids, to marginalize it.

If I approach it under the assumption that paranormal forces don't exist, then the likely conclusion is Colin was a victim of his own woo foolishness.

I would like to have a better understanding of Operation Blackbird before I express the kind of certainty you indulge in. But from where I'm sitting, the conclusion that Colin was set up looks inevitable, because I can't rule out the paranormal the way you can. That's the thing about experiencing it.

 

[Sledge]

What possible reason could you have assuming that "paranormal forces" exist?

 

[Marduk]

What possible reason could you have assuming that "paranormal forces" exist?

maybe we should work that out by a process of elimination
I know it isn't lunacy

no full moon for another 5 days

could it be "wishful thinking" ?

 

[TjW]

The sort of bits that many circlemakers like Peter Sorensen talk about.

“Surprisingly there is still a LOT of mystery — strange lights in the fields at night"

Why exactly would it be a mystery that lights are occasionally seen in the field when people are making crop circles in the dark?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

Why exactly would it be a mystery that lights are occasionally seen in the field when people are making crop circles in the dark?

The same reason it's astounding that sometimes people work a 12 hour shift without defecating, or that people working in a field might crap in the field, or that humans can get things done outdoors despite the fact that it sometimes rains.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

What possible reason could you have assuming that "paranormal forces" exist?

At best, he's presenting an argument from ignorance. Even if things are as he thinks they are--that no one has been able to recreate all the "anomalies" of crop circles in controlled conditions, which is to say, that he can't explain how they're done by mundane means--it still doesn't follow that paranormal forces exist or must be at work in crop circle construction.

It is, in fact, the same sort of argument Creationists frequently use. They'll claim science (or evolutionary biology in particular) can't explain something. Even when it's true that science can't explain something, that ignorance is no support whatsoever for Creationism (aka Creation Science, Intelligent Design, Fine Tuning).

Similarly, our supposed inability to explain crop circle "anomalies" (even if it were true that there were indeed things in need of explanation) does nothing to support Limbo's absurd paranormal activity/ collective unconscious hypothesis.

 

[Marduk]

The same reason it's astounding that sometimes people work a 12 hour shift without defecating, or that people working in a field might crap in the field, or that humans can get things done outdoors despite the fact that it sometimes rains.

I have noticed a correlation, most crop circles appear during the summer months
during the summer months there is a lot less rainfall
it must mean something, theres some kind of connection I can't quite put my finger on
hey wait, perhaps the aliens/psi don't like walking through wet fields, naah that can't be it, whats a bit of water when youre wearing a spacesuit

 

[Sledge]

Oh come on, Marduk. The explanation is obvious.

Aliens don't wear clothes, so they don't have raincoats, therefore they make the crop circles when it's not raining.

 

[Marduk]

Oh come on, Marduk. The explanation is obvious.

Aliens don't wear clothes, so they don't have raincoats, therefore they make the crop circles when it's not raining.

oh ok, I thought the spaceship was supposed to hover above the field while this was going on, so why would they care about the rain

I can't help feeling there is a more mundane explanation as to why they mainly appear during the summer, as if, there was a species more local than the pleaides who don't like rainfall

Venusians ?

 

[Sledge]

Martians can't cope with Earthly bacteria, so I guess they might prefer to avoid the rain. But they're really more about Heat Raying everything to cinders than leaving cryptic clues in fields.