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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

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Lately some folks have been talking about the decline of Bigfoot Forums and how there once was a good 'ole days there. I like to go look at their old threads to see what the Bigfooters were saying and thinking years ago.

I found a PGF poll from 2004. There are a number of such polls done annually (sorta) to check the pulse of their membership with regards to this iconic film. This particular poll was taken after Greg Long's book The Making of Bigfoot which attempted to debunk the film in various ways.

The BFF PGF polls are pretty consistent over many years. It looks like their membership holds at about 70-80% of the folks in support of the film being authentic.

May 2004. The Patterson/Gimlin Film is...

The real deal - [117] 73.58%
The greatest hoax of all time - [10] 6.29%
An unknown - the jury's still out - [32] 20.13%
 
I think the original intent and focus of the BFF would absolutely favor (and thus dictate) its membership's collective faith in the PGF's authenticity. I don't think the BFF would actually still be in existence if its 'membership' were leaning toward a large majority claiming the PGF was 'the greatest hoax'. The BFF, for better or worse, is not a skeptics board. Occasionally it allows 'voices of reason' to intervene in the discussion, but generally it's a 'one trick pony' built mostly for the discussion of HOPE. Hope that the 'final Bigfoot answer' is both actually capable of being deciphered and that it will actually come about sooner than later...oh and that it really is a big hairy monster. ;)

I think the reason the natives over there are now finally 'restless' is that they've been restless for awhile. A generous span of time has gone by for that discussion without anything of note happening. There's surely some frustration with the inevitable realizations that (mostly) only time reveals - like, not only is it 100% probable (clever huh!) that Bigfoot isn't real, but that Bigfoot couldn't be 'real'. As an F&B entity. There's a Bigfoot alright, but you couldn't actually break your foot off in its ass. :eek:
 
There is a new 2 hour radio interview with Bob Gimlin that was broadcast yesterday. The hosts (Minnesota Bigfoot Research Team) are close to terrible but Bob does say quite a bit about the Patty encounter and things surrounding the event. It would be nice if someone would transcribe this because there are things that skeptics would find interesting and of some significance. The show can be heard here.

Some interesting things that I took note of:

• He says that he and RP did go to Mt. St. Helens before going to Bluff Creek.
• While at Bluff Creek, RP was not doing any filming for his documentary.
• Just before the day they saw Patty, Bob told RP that he needed to get back home. RP then suggested that he "leave me behind" where he would stay alone for a month.
• As RP ran across the creek filming Patty he stumbled and fell to his elbows. BG says that is the shaky part at the beginning and "it is there" on the film. (I do not recall ever seeing the camera at elbow height above the sand)
• He speaks of the stomp test (jumping off stump) and comparing the depth of his horse's tracks alongside the Patty tracks. Neither was as deep as her tracks.
• They didn’t follow Patty into the mountains at all. (this contradicts the report that they did follow her for 3.5 miles)
• Sequence of events after driving away from Bluff Creek on Friday night: Went to Willow Creek and made phone calls and talked to some people. Then drove to Eureka to send the film to DeAtley (no mention if this was post office or airport), BG "sat in the truck while Roger went in." Then went to Al Hodgeson's variety store to speak with him.
• Roger and Al DeAtley made a lot of money from the PGF. So much money was made that DeAtley was able to pull his own company "out of the red".
• He confirms that there was a stand-in for him when Roger was out promoting the film. This guy was telling people he was Bob Gimlin.
• He now says that there is no way that Roger could have hoaxed him. This supersedes a previous statement that he could possibly have been hoaxed by Roger.
• When he was sick in the hospital (nearing death) Roger told him that he had made so much money from the film that he could buy 4-wheel drive vehicles and that they could go back down to Bluff Creek for more Bigfoot searching.
• His wife Judy nearly divorced him because she is "very bitter" over all the Bigfoot stuff. She was personally ridiculed back when it was new, and she knows that Bob was as well. She was and is still so bitter about it all that Bob is forced to do all of his Bigfoot stuff outside the house. He won't conduct in-person or phone conversations about Bigfoot inside the house. For this radio interview he went to a friend's store to use the phone.
• Years ago at a family reunion, his niece said that she thought it was a guy in a suit because she saw that conclusion being promoted on TV. Then Bob and the hosts all laugh together saying that kids will believe almost anything they see on TV.
• He thinks the Mike Greene thermal video is "real good".
• Weird Q&A thing which I paraphrased here… Q: Why are so many people so skeptical of the film? A: The Russian scientists can’t figure out why Americans are doubtful about it. It's like they don’t believe it unless they see it themselves. I guess they are trying to make a few bucks by writing these skeptical things.
• Speaks about the horse he rode numerous times and with size details but never mentions it was Bob Heironimus' horse which he had borrowed.
• Niece in Montana (Jenna Johanson?) is writing a biography book about him which will include a bit about the PGF. (Not sure if this is the skeptical niece mentioned earlier)
• He says this will be the last interview he ever does (and this was done for a friend). He says he stopped doing interviews years ago because "they" wouldn't print what he actually said and would instead put it into their own words. He would then have to later deal with people becoming skeptical or misled because the interviewer got it wrong. He said these interviewers would even tell him they would send a transcript (copy) for his pre-approval (proofreading) but they never ever sent them. (I don’t recall any printed Gimlin interviews other than the 1992 with John Green and the one right after the Patty incident – both of those were recorded and then transcribed right from the tape)

As expected, the whole show is steeped with hero worship and brown-nosing. There is not a shred of real skepticism and for the first time we hear Gimlin speak critically of Bigfoot and PGF skeptics. Basically, he says he can't understand why they can't believe what is right in front of their eyes.
 
I think the reason the natives over there are now finally 'restless' is that they've been restless for awhile. A generous span of time has gone by for that discussion without anything of note happening. There's surely some frustration with the inevitable realizations that (mostly) only time reveals - like, not only is it 100% probable (clever huh!) that Bigfoot isn't real, but that Bigfoot couldn't be 'real'. As an F&B entity. There's a Bigfoot alright, but you couldn't actually break your foot off in its ass. :eek:

I think the restlesness is because of the realization of the intellectual dishonesty that prevails there. I think the Michigan Recording Project fiasco caused that to come to a head.
Seriously, they let RedRatSnake run the show over there? Really!?!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1466/saturday-night-live-really-with-seth-and-amy
 
Seriously, they let RedRatSnake run the show over there? Really!?!


Bigfoot does not exist - therefore RRS is actually a perfect front man for BFF. In a somewhat ironic way, it may be one of the few things right about Bigfootery. Think about it.
 
• Sequence of events after driving away from Bluff Creek on Friday night: Went to Willow Creek and made phone calls and talked to some people. Then drove to Eureka to send the film to DeAtley (no mention if this was post office or airport), BG "sat in the truck while Roger went in." Then went to Al Hodgeson's variety store to speak with him.

So he didn't even see Roger mail anything.

Does it matter whether they went to the Airport or post office? he can't say he witnessed Roger mail anything anyway.

Theoretical quotation:
"Bob- you wait in the car while I go mail the film."
 
So he didn't even see Roger mail anything.

No. But I would hesitate before using the term "mail" because it can imply US Postal Service.

Does it matter whether they went to the Airport or post office?

Yes. What really matters is where Gimlin says they went.


he can't say he witnessed Roger mail anything anyway.

Right, but he can at least indicate if they went to an airport or what. He totally avoided specifying the venue.

Theoretical quotation: "Bob- you wait in the car while I go mail the film."

Gimlin talks about the drive being long and like he had no reason to go inside anyway. As if he himself decided not to go in, instead of Roger telling him not to go in.

The hosts had no interest in asking various detailed questions about this incident to try to understand the timeline dilemma.

Drew, are you planning to listen to the interview? I hope somebody will check my notes for accuracy.
 
If the film was developed earlier than October 20th (a popular theory), then there was no hurried trip to Eureka. There was nothing to send to Yakima. It had already been done previously. Gimlin might be vague and dodgy because the "trip to Eureka to send the film" is entirely fictitious for him and Roger.
 
I just listened to the 1st half.
Your notes are correct.l

I noticed that he was detailed in his recollection of the day as they were heading into the woods to ride. "Filming the oak leaves", "filming me leading the packhorse", no mention of them running into the sheriff or forest ranger that claims to have met them on their way in.

They weren't there to film the documentary, Roger was looking for a camera man at the time.

They were there from Oct. 1st to Oct 21st or 22nd? wow. Seems like a long time.

Also, he said in the 50's that he and Roger rode bareback for the local rodeos. No mention of Corriganville.
 
I think the restlesness is because of the realization of the intellectual dishonesty that prevails there. I think the Michigan Recording Project fiasco caused that to come to a head.
Seriously, they let RedRatSnake run the show over there? Really!?!
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1466/saturday-night-live-really-with-seth-and-amy

Trust me, I was trying to be NICE in my post. I've bolded the SPECIFIC REASON I personally had to leave the BFF behind. When the 'rules of the game' change by the minute there's no way one can play any game properly. You obviously have some notion that not all is well over there, but believe me you have no idea of the vastness of the STUPIDITY, DISHONESTY and PHONINESS over there, and yes I mean from the top down. I think you might know a bit about this as your post alludes to it, but the present day 'agenda' over there has nothing to do with the actual debate of whether there is or isn't a Bigfoot. There are people there in need of actual doctor prescribed medications.

And for the record, my own 'banning' over there was solely the result of a series of e-mails I sent to Paul Vella (mostly out of 'righteous indignation'), pretty much calling him, his genes, anyone he knows, even people with names that just sound like Vella, very bad words and stuff. Do you know he actually cried? Yep, Vella wept, and then he banned. :D
 
They were there from Oct. 1st to Oct 21st or 22nd? wow. Seems like a long time.


I must have missed the October 1 Bluff Creek arrival date quote.

Lyle Laverty worked on those roads every day. He says he never saw these guys. No way he would have missed that big goofy horse truck parked there. We're talking about 3 weeks. It's a lie, isn't it? They weren't there for 3 weeks.

I wonder if Judy Gimlin remembers Bob being gone Bigfootin' for 3 weeks straight.
 
I must have missed the October 1 Bluff Creek arrival date quote.

Lyle Laverty worked on those roads every day. He says he never saw these guys. No way he would have missed that big goofy horse truck parked there. We're talking about 3 weeks. It's a lie, isn't it? They weren't there for 3 weeks.

I wonder if Judy Gimlin remembers Bob being gone Bigfootin' for 3 weeks straight.

Right. And it would have given them ample time to make the film as well, Gimlin has placed them at Bluff Creek during the first week of October, which I don't recall them saying before.

And also recall that the prints that they were going there to see were found Memorial day weekend, a month before they got there.

I wonder if they had any visitors down during the 3 weeks they were there, you know people who couldn't just walk away from their family/job for 3 weeks looking for a Bigfoot.

This might also be a fib, and they used the two weeks before to go to LA and talk with an agent, Jerry merrit's agent correct?

The wife might buy the 3 weeks, if you said "We are going to Hollywood, then we are stopping in NoCal to make a film, we will be rich!" She might just buy that.
 
In the interview he clearly states that they got there something like "The last of September or 1st of October"
 
Gimlin doesn't give a damn about anything Roger ever said to anyone. It's his story now.

The surrounding story and "facts" of the PGF are being rewritten by Gimlin and his followers.
 
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