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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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kmortis said:
Hee-hee. once again DOC gives us his patented "post the statement out of context" gambit.
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Yup. DOC's entire shtick is Dependant upon us having zero memory or ability to interpret statements IN CONTEXT.

It's like his proof/evidence argument. I'm wondering when he's going to catch on that when people on these forums use "prove" they really mean "provide evidence."
 
DOC said:
This is an absurd statement. My 1600 posts in this 10,000+ post thread are evidence of my honest debate.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means...

DOC, seriously, just posting this was dishonest. How many times have you been called out for repeating arguments long since shown to be fallacious, unfounded, wrong, or lies? For example, how many times have we told you that "Appeal to Numbers" is a logical fallacy. You know this, as you've rejected examples of religions/denominations which don't fit to your pre-determined beliefs for that and other reasons. Continuing to use it is dishonest. And yet you use it in a post proclaiming your honesty!

I mean, wow. Fail.
 
DOC said:
I don't agree on that. Because apostle and former skeptic Paul (who wrote 13 books in the Bible) came in contact with Jesus on the Road to Damascus. And Luke reports Paul had a meeting with Peter for 2 weeks. Do you think Peter met the Christ the Roman historian and senator Tactitus said received the ultimate punishment from Pontius Pilate?

And I've already brought in evidence that the apostles Matthew and John wrote the Gospels that have been attributed to them for 2000 years.

And your statement implies the first 14 people mentioned in Wiki's "List of Christian Martyrs" never knew Jesus which is absurd. People don't give their life for someone that supposedly lived in the city they live in and was supposedly crucified in the city they lived in during the time they lived there without knowing them.

And you never did answer if you think the Pontius Pilate whom the Roman historian Tacitus said gave Jesus the ultimate punishment ever met Jesus?
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For the last time will you get it through your thick skull that the apostles Mathew and John, or any other apostle or disciple did not write the gospels. the authors were unknown until midway through the second century when these names were attributed to them. :rolleyes:
 
Can you talk to a stone and expect a reply? You may talk until you're hoarse, but don't expect a reply.
 
DOC said:
This is an absurd statement. My 1600 posts in this 10,000+ post thread are evidence of my honest debate.
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"I've got you babe..."

btw, how did Judas die? (remember:theists only, we want them to actually start reading their bible).
 
amb said:
Can you talk to a stone and expect a reply? You may talk until you're hoarse, but don't expect a reply.
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You can talk to a stone 'til you're hoarse, but you can't make it think.
 
DOC said:
This is different than the verses we were talking about in Acts where Paul is traveling to Damascus to persecute Christians with several other people when he and "other people" see a light. And this light causes the "other people" to have fear.
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Doc, This thread is about evidence. So far I have only see you argue about the meaning of the bible passage. Obviously the the fact that a story in in the bible is not evidence that the authors told the truth.
Have you any evidence that Paul and possibly others saw a light on the way to Damascus or does this get chucked in the no evidence box along with the virgin birth, the resurrection, healing the sick, feeding the 5000, walking on water, cursing the fig tree, seeing the whole world from a mountain top & God?
 
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DOC said:
Do you think Pontius Pilate met Jesus when the Roman senator and historian Tacitus reported that Christ received the ultimate punishment from Pilate?
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He didn't really say that though, he said that Jesus was killed by Pilate (at the hands of Pilate). Because Pilate certainly did not participate to the execution squad, his role is a bit unclear. Tacitus might be mentioning him as being the judge, or just be saying that it was under his authority, like it is the Christian credo "suffered under Ponce Pilate".

There is no reason to believe Tactitus is using any sources but Christian tradition here. After all, if he was using official Roman archives, one would expect that he wouldn't had gotten Pilate's title wrong, giving him the title of Procurator rather than Prefect. Especially considering Tacitus himself was a proconsul and was very familiar with the Roman administration.

If he wrote it, that is, after all, nobody, is mentioning this passage, for a long time, including Christian writers working on the persecution of Christian, suggesting that it might be a later addition from after that time.
Indeed, our first reference to this passage is somebody actually commenting on it being a later forgery which is never a good start...

That's a complex question but, once again, Doc does use a very suspicious reference without a once of critical thinking.
Considering how many times he has been called out on this practice, mostly about his misuse of Josephus but also of this one particular quote, this is one more example of Doc's dishonest (regardless of his 10,000 posts) conducts.

Liar!, as they say...
 
DOC said:
I don't agree on that. Because apostle and former skeptic Paul (who wrote 13 books in the Bible) came in contact with Jesus on the Road to Damascus.
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No, Paul had a VISION of Jesus, which might only have been an indigestion, for all we know. No one was there to verify that, and we only have Paul's word.
 
DOC said:
Then who taught all the teachings that Thomas Jefferson cut out and pasted in a book and said were the most moral and sublime he ever read. Did lying fisherman write them?
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Assuming Jesus is all myth, the Gospel writers could've made them up based on earlier oral traditions, and refined them with each new edition, until they were crystallised in the bibble.
 
Belz... said:
No, Paul had a VISION of Jesus, which might only have been an indigestion, for all we know. No one was there to verify that, and we only have Paul's word.
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OR he could have suffered from any number of mental conditions (e.g. temporal lobe epilepsy). Or does anyone know if rye was common in the area? It could have been ergot poisioning (doubtful on this as he didn't have any of the other symptoms, but they could have also been redacted). There's plenty of other possibilities besides Paul having a divine connection.

Or, he could have heard about a local preacher/martyr and decided to capitalize on it, making into somehting bigger than it really was.

My vote's on TLE.
 
tsig said:
That means that Paul saw Jesus in the same sense that any modern Christian sees Jesus.
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When some one tell me they are born again I don't see a light that makes me afraid as what is said happened to those surrounding Paul on his trip to Damascus to persecute Christians.
 
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