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So anyone who disagrees with a discredited linguist who tris to make the USA look worse than the Draka is brainwashed?
Haitian earthquake was used as an excuse for US invasion
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So anyone who disagrees with a discredited linguist who tris to make the USA look worse than the Draka is brainwashed?
Oh, for goodness' sake, not Chomsky again.
Chomsky had recently remarked on the Supreme Court's ruling about corporates being allowed to give money to politicians. It is, of course -- yet again -- the "end of American democracy", blah blah blah. Because we all know corporate advertising is totally irresistible. Which is why we're all using Mac IIIs and drinking new coke. Oh wait -- corporate advertising seems resistible after all; somehow, 90% or so of new products fail, even massively advertised ones.
What really pisses off Chomsky & co. is that corporations are likely to support people he disagrees with, which, of course, it totally incompatible with real democracy, which naturally means the stupid peasants who can't think for themselves voting the way he likes.
As for your question, NWO, yes, for the conspiracy theorist, the 99.99% of the world that disagrees with him are all brainwashed.
Chomsky had recently remarked on the Supreme Court's ruling about corporates being allowed to give money to politicians. It is, of course -- yet again -- the "end of American democracy", blah blah blah. Because we all know corporate advertising is totally irresistible. Which is why we're all using Mac IIIs and drinking new coke. Oh wait -- corporate advertising seems resistible after all; somehow, 90% or so of new products fail, even massively advertised ones.
What really pisses off Chomsky & co. is that corporations are likely to support people he disagrees with, which, of course, it totally incompatible with real democracy, which naturally means the stupid peasants who can't think for themselves voting the way he likes.
As for your question, NWO, yes, for the conspiracy theorist, the 99.99% of the world that disagrees with him are all brainwashed.
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Em, saying about how the US intended to form an alliance with the Nazis after WW2, comparing the Vietnam war with the holocaust, calling for "denazification" is somehow not trying to make the USA worse than the draka?
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He actually did say those things.
Show me a quote from Chomsky where he says the US is worse than the "draka" or, perhaps, where he compares George Bush to Dick Dastardly.
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Show me a quote from Chomsky where he says the US is worse than the "draka" or, perhaps, where he compares George Bush to Dick Dastardly.
well, i was just using the draka as a comparison to work on. He has called for de-nazification as shown here: http://oliverkamm.typepad.com/blog/2007/03/schlesingerchom.html
the Us-nazi alliance quote is in What Uncle Sam Really Wants.
You have lost all credibility with your juvenile "draka" comparison.
BTW, Oliver Kamm has no credibility either.
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I was using the Draka as a milestone. They are the only fictional nation that could be more evil than the nazis.
Oliver Kamm is quite credible, BTW, and is a columnist on the times. Chomsky OTOH, has run apologia for the Khmer Rouge (distortions at fourth hand), the Vietcong, the Bosnian Serbs (saying Omarska was "probably" faked) and any other scumbag that the US happens to be opposing.
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It's stupid.
Take this:
"I would really like for the guys with the rifles to put them down and pick up shovels to help find people still buried in the rubble of collapsed buildings and homes. It just makes me furious to see multiple truckloads of fellows with automatic rifles."
Any of them that do have rifles have them slung over their back. What they are doing with their hands is handing out food and water.
...such as that paragon of equal rights and toleration, Hizbullah.
It's also rather ironic that Chomsky calls every US policy he doesn't like a "holocaust", considering that he had openly supported holocaust denier Robert Faurrison -- not merely supporting his legal right to say what he wants due to free speech, which is one thing, but praising him as "conducting extensive historical research into the "holocaust" question" (scare quotes in the original) and calling him a "respected professor". In reply to critics of his involvement in Faurrison's behalf Chomsky famously said that Faurrison is neither an antisemite nor a fascist, but rather a "sort of apolitical liberal" -- praise that appeared in a preface to one of Faurrison's crank the-holocaust-never-happened books.
This is the sort of man that JJ and Perseus not only support, but practically deify. Why? Because he hates the USA, as do they.
Of course, if they did exactly what the whiner in this quote said, it doesn't take a genius to see the same whiner would still complain:
"It makes me furious to see truckloads of shovels. This is telling the Haitian people that they are not good enough to get the high-tech rubble-removing equipment the USA would no doubt have sent if they were White. Why are there shovels in that truck instead of a compressor with a generator? Why do they consider Haitians slaves good only for manual labor?
If only the trucks were full of automatic rifles -- that would show the Americans actually care about keeping order and safety. The fact that there are no such guns is obvious proof the Americans do not care if Haitians fall prey to looting and robberies. Racist imperialists!"
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To answer Rogue1stclass:
"Seems like the Haitians would try to fight back if they were being invaded."
You rhetorically ask:
If you mean that freedom fighters could not operate unless they have access to a steady mass-production of blaster rifles and X-wing fighters, à la Rebel Alliance, I will have to disagree.
Sure, it makes the job easier is someone provides you with weapons and ammo.
But historically, a lot of unarmed peoples confronted to armed goons did the obvious thing: go steal their foes' weapons. Or create makeshift weapons. A lot of them died in the process, but some succeeded.
Typical welcome speech in the early years of the French resistance during WWII, before they got weapon drops from the RAF:
"Here is a hammer. Go crack the skull of some German and pick his weapon."
"Seems like the Haitians would try to fight back if they were being invaded."
You rhetorically ask:
If you mean that freedom fighters could not operate unless they have access to a steady mass-production of blaster rifles and X-wing fighters, à la Rebel Alliance, I will have to disagree.
Sure, it makes the job easier is someone provides you with weapons and ammo.
But historically, a lot of unarmed peoples confronted to armed goons did the obvious thing: go steal their foes' weapons. Or create makeshift weapons. A lot of them died in the process, but some succeeded.
Typical welcome speech in the early years of the French resistance during WWII, before they got weapon drops from the RAF:
"Here is a hammer. Go crack the skull of some German and pick his weapon."
Steal US weapons?
How?
And who is going to wield the hammers?
After the United States, Haiti's ruling class, and the Haitian Army (FADH) collaborated to overthrow Aristide in the 1991 coup, the military dictatorship murdered 6,000 people, sent hundreds of thousands into hiding, and drove tens of thousands to become refugees.
After the next US-backed coup, death squads murdered another 1,000 and intensified repression.
Many more political activists were killed by the earthquake.
Haitians are organizing:
‘Fault Lines - Haiti: The politics of rebuilding’
"Just weeks after the earthquake that took more than 200,000 lives, Avi Lewis finds that debates over how to rebuild Haiti are already underway."
Al Jazeera English
24 minutes
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Guerilla tactics? Ambush, hit-and-run, misleading soldiers away?
Anyone desperate enough to try? I never said all hammer-wielders were successful. Quite the contrary, actually.
I never said it was going to be easy. I never said that any attempt to resist to your "US invasion" was going to succeed. In fact, any civil group opposing trained military is very likely to end in the blood of the civilians.
Actually, I feel very uncomfortable sitting behind the security of my computer and arguing about that the Haitians should do, or not do. Because I'm not over there and I have no idea of their suffering.
All I wanted to do was to point out that an opposition to an invasion does not need modern weapons to start.
And given the number of journalists who swarmed the place right after the quake, I doubt that any form of unrest will go unnoticed for long.
And the quake did not have any effect on the death squads? No casualties, no disorganization, no lack of ressources or simply orders? The situation looks highly anarchic right now in Haiti. A good time to settle some old grudges.
And again, I dunno. The tonton macoutes were very good at repression. Their successors were likely very good, too, as you pointed out.
What this has to do with the rest of the post?
It has been one month already, for Pete's sake. I hope peoples were starting to plan to rebuild "just weeks after".
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With whatever it was they fought the 04 rebellion, maybe? It certainly doesn't seem that they would face their invaders with "relative calm".
He wasn't far off, wasn't it ex-Nazis and an SS man which designed the rockets which enabled the US to beat the Russians to the moon? The US gave Von-Braun protection from prosecution despite being closely involved in the 'production' aspects of the V2 slave labour Mittelwerk facility.
With respect to the Vietnam it was certainly as immoral as the Holocaust, although I don't see a close parallel in terms of systematic extermination of a race. Perhaps more analogous to the civilian deaths on the Eastern front (burning villages etc)
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IIRC, most civilian deaths were caused by the VC in order to coerce thm into hiding them. There is no comparison between the Vietnam war and the Holocaust.
As for the US/nazi alliance, chomsky claimed that the US intended to make nazi germany a vassal. Von Braun may have cavorted with the Nazis. It was like the US and Operation Gladio,w here they cavorted wiht indivicual nazis, but were not attempting to reconstruct nazism as chomsky implied.
As for the US/nazi alliance, chomsky claimed that the US intended to make nazi germany a vassal. Von Braun may have cavorted with the Nazis. It was like the US and Operation Gladio,w here they cavorted wiht indivicual nazis, but were not attempting to reconstruct nazism as chomsky implied.