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Cut a little too close to the bone there, King of the Americas? Do you really want to know what your problem is, or are you happy just living with faith that you saw aliens and rejecting anything anyone says that might help you understand reality a little better? We're here to help, but we can't force you to learn.
hes not interested in reality, surely you got that, maybe someone should say that what he saw was a flight of Atlantean atmos skimmers and watch him get excited
as he doesn't read my posts (blocked) could someone try that one
it would be good for a laugh
Apparently they aren't proof of anything to you, either. Or are they? It's hard to tell because you keep wavering between inferring that you saw aliens and claiming you have no idea what you saw. We're actually going a very reasonable step further, a step you clearly won't take because it might burst your bubble of childlike excitement with the idea that you've seen aliens in action.
We're suggesting several possibilities which you refuse to consider, the predominant one being that you may be very wrong in your interpretation of what you saw. If you want to actually approach this with skepticism, you need to shake that debilitating confirmation bias and ignorance that forms the basis of your argument.
Oh, and it is okay if you want to cling to a delusion. Look at all the religious people in the world who get along quite well in spite of theirs. But if that's the case, it's awfully disingenuous of you to come here pretending you actually want realistic explanations for your supposed vision of aliens.
And how would anyone know those explanations don't match without putting them forward? Besides, you're dodging the point: no one has dismissed your report out of hand. People seem eager to look into it. You appear equally eager to deny any possibility than the opinion you've already formed.
yup theres that claim again for what, the fifth time I've seen it, its a bit unusual for you to still be making it, especially after you originally made it and then could find no supporting evidence and outed yourself as a complete woo
you don't know anything, you just want to believe, but your dictionary is broken
I didn't say it was an airplane, I was giving an example of one of the many ways your senses can be fooled, even if you are a trained pilot, even if you are an astronaut for that matter. If you are trained, as you say, I agree that you would be better at spotting airplanes. Whatever it was that you did see, was not a direct visual representation, it underwent processing in your brain first. There are good reasons why visual sightings are not good evidence, and why you shouldn't base your belief on them.
And how would anyone know those explanations don't match without putting them forward? Besides, you're dodging the point: no one has dismissed your report out of hand. People seem eager to look into it. You appear equally eager to deny any possibility than the opinion you've already formed.
I didn't say it was an airplane, I was giving an example of one of the many ways your senses can be fooled, even if you are a trained pilot, even if you are an astronaut for that matter. If you are trained, as you say, I agree that you would be better at spotting airplanes. Whatever it was that you did see, was not a direct visual representation, it underwent processing in your brain first. There are good reasons why visual sightings are not good evidence, and why you shouldn't base your belief on them.
There's also a reason we have eyes and a brain to translate what they see...
It's so that we can function within our environment, look and SEE what we are faced with. At some point, we have to trust what we see, and make a decision as to how to proceed.
As I have noted, I've seen LOTS of airplanes, in lots of different conditions. In some conditions it is indeed difficult to discern exactly what a plane is. In other conditions, I would even go as far as to say it would be tough to fool me.
These were 'ideal' conditions.
What I saw was NOT an airplane of any kind, based on decades of observations.
That said, I DON'T know what these were. I've NEVER seen or heard of anything remotely like this.
That is, of course, a lie. You have proven beyond anyone's doubt here that you have no interest whatsoever of knowing what you saw. You're convinced that it was aliens, and nothing anyone can say is going to make you examine any other possibilities.
It's so that we can function within our environment, look and SEE what we are faced with. At some point, we have to trust what we see, and make a decision as to how to proceed.
I disagree that at some point we have to trust what we see. If you start with this optical illusion (it's a lot of fun) and keep hitting <Next> until the last one, you will see that there are plenty of times where our eyes simply cannot be trusted. Even when our brains know how they are being deceived, we can't always trust our eyes.
I think therein lies one of your biggest problems with this whole scenario. You are twisting the world around you to fit what you remember seeing. That our eyes can be deceived in many ways is well established. That our eyes are notoriously unreliable in determining what happens in the sky (because of the lack of objects for comparison) is well established. That our memories often get distorted is well established.
And still, despite knowing this, you feel compelled to explain your experience outside of known science and reject plausible explanations within known science. Personally, I think it's an attention thing for you. You like talking about it.
Then you are going about it the wrong way. I can't see how annoying the people you're presenting your recollections to is supposed to help you understand what happened.
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No, what you saw was beyond what comprehension you have of human capabilities.
As you have demonstrated here in all your threads, your knowledge of things scientific isn't all that great.
I disagree that at some point we have to trust what we see. If you start with this optical illusion (it's a lot of fun) and keep hitting <Next> until the last one, you will see that there are plenty of times where our eyes simply cannot be trusted. Even when our brains know how they are being deceived, we can't always trust our eyes.
I think therein lies one of your biggest problems with this whole scenario. You are twisting the world around you to fit what you remember seeing. That our eyes can be deceived in many ways is well established. That our eyes are notoriously unreliable in determining what happens in the sky (because of the lack of objects for comparison) is well established. That our memories often get distorted is well established.
And still, despite knowing this, you feel compelled to explain your experience outside of known science and reject plausible explanations within known science. Personally, I think it's an attention thing for you. You like talking about it.
That's just dumb. Indeed, one's eyes CAN fool you, memories aren't 'perfect recollections', and yes I HAVE been mistaken when it comes to aircraft identification in less than ideal conditions.
HOWEVER, I can tell the difference between a peach and a nectarine, without touching them. When I see my Dad's face, I know it's him. When I look outside I can tell if it is cloudy or sunny.
My eyes and brain ARE capable of determining what is and what isn't within my field of view. How do YOU know what you are reading is what I actually wrote? Maybe you aren't responding to what I write at all...? Maybe you just make up what you 'think' I said, and respond to that? Maybe you are in your own little world of make believe?
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Maybe you CAN see that this word is "good", and that you understand that the word is spelled "g-o-o-d", and that it means the opposite of "bad".
Advocacy of suicide or violence to others removed.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: Locknar
What I have rejected are explanations that DON'T MATCH what I saw.
If I say I saw a dog digging in my back yard, and you claim that I didn't. Instead, you say, well it could have been a giraffe or a chimp. I retort by saying it didn't have a long neck or a tail. Chimps are great apes and DON'T have tails. Then you say, well it could have been a big cat, and I retort. It was a clear day, it wasn't a cat. I've seen hundreds of cats. "But your eyes can lie!", you claim.
This line of logic is completely and utter ridiculous.
I've conceded that indeed I CAN be mistaken about plane identification, "in less than ideal conditions". The worse the conditions, the worse I get.
HOWEVER, I AM quite capable when the sky is clear, and the plane is relatively close.
If it had been a plane, I'd have been able to tell. Meteors, satellites, or model airplanes...? THEY DON'T FIT what I saw, period
Try that train thing and get back to me...
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I was NOT suggesting anyone commit suicide!
For crying out loud!
I was suggesting that ignoring your sense of sight could well end badly...
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No, what you saw was beyond what comprehension you have of human capabilities.
As you have demonstrated here in all your threads, your knowledge of things scientific isn't all that great.
Advocacy of suicide or of violence to others: If you tell someone to kill or harm themselves, or to harm someone else, you will be suspended or banned without prior warning. Example: "Go kill yourself."
Then you are going about it the wrong way. I can't see how annoying the people you're presenting your recollections to is supposed to help you understand what happened.
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