CIT Fraud Revealed

A W Smith said:
Well,, Its getting pretty close to Valentines day. Maybe their on a cruise or shopping for chocolates?
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That's it, they are out shopping for my Valentine's day present :pigsfly

By the way, I really like those chocolates with the creamy strawberry filling.
 
BCR said:
Okay, the last I noted, the claim by those defending CIT is that their work was incompetent, not fraudulent. Is that where everything stands at the moment? CE and mudlap have been conspicuously missing for several days now.
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Practically i think it is because we lost interest for the moment. It's quite silly actually and as we see, you strive on our attention. Your charade attempts have failed again - broken sticks crawled back under his surrealistic rock and Erik Larson has managed to pull his own leg twice. Aldo Marquis thinks he's a PoS and Pat Curley thinks he's not delusional. Congratulations, Erik. I would be pissed about such a record. So long.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Practically i think it is because we lost interest for the moment. It's quite silly actually and as we see, you strive on our attention. Your charade attempts have failed again - broken sticks crawled back under his surrealistic rock and Erik Larson has managed to pull his own leg twice. Aldo Marquis thinks he's a PoS and Pat Curley thinks he's not delusional. Congratulations, Erik. I would be pissed about such a record. So long.
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WOW! Exceptionally worthless comeback, CE, why did you bother?

Uh, so you are just going to ignore the fact that your heroes have been exposed as frauds?

Send me a PM when the douchebags release the original footage, will ya?

kthxbye
 
Childlike Empress said:
Practically i think it is because we lost interest for the moment. It's quite silly actually and as we see, you strive on our attention. Your charade attempts have failed again - broken sticks crawled back under his surrealistic rock and Erik Larson has managed to pull his own leg twice. Aldo Marquis thinks he's a PoS and Pat Curley thinks he's not delusional. Congratulations, Erik. I would be pissed about such a record. So long.
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You would think if you have any belief whatsoever that 9/11 could have been carried out by the United States government that you wouldn't lose interest.

Or perhaps you are just arguing for arguments sake and know that the idea of the plane passing north of Citgo is ridiculous, but can't help but to nit-pick and argue with the big bad JREFers.
 
The royal Wii

Childlike Empress said:
Practically i think it is because we lost interest for the moment. It's quite silly actually and as we see, you strive on our attention. Your charade attempts have failed again - broken sticks crawled back under his surrealistic rock and Erik Larson has managed to pull his own leg twice. Aldo Marquis thinks he's a PoS and Pat Curley thinks he's not delusional. Congratulations, Erik. I would be pissed about such a record. So long.
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What you mean wii, white girl? You're the first girl to climb the ladder to the tree fort? Did you get a membership card and a two way wrist video recorder? Did they show you their secret stash of shadow porn? Did you hang goth black curtains and give the fort that woman's touch? When you cleaned up the place and made all kinds of room in Craig's tree fort closet, Was he able to come out of it?
 
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A W Smith said:
What you mean wii, white girl? You're the first girl to climb the ladder to the tree fort? Did you get a membership card and a two way wrist video recorder? Did they show you their secret stash of shadow porn? Did you hang goth black curtains and give the fort that woman's touch? When you cleaned up the place and made all kinds of room in Craig's tree fort closet, Was he able to come out of it?
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I think CE is a he.
 
So CE has retracted the incompetence plea and left them with nothing but guilty of fraud as charged? The OP was NOT the flight path. The OP was (and is) NOT NoC or SoC. The OP is that the CIT boys knew that Edward was INSIDE the shop and purposely filmed him well outside the shop to falsely lead people to believe that Edward could see more than he could see. That is the OP. The OP has been proven true and the CIT defense is that Erik is just better at interview analysis than CIT is (Craig's assertion anyways). So incompetence or fraud? Which is it?
 
BCR said:
So CE has retracted the incompetence plea and left them with nothing but guilty of fraud as charged? The OP was NOT the flight path. The OP was (and is) NOT NoC or SoC. The OP is that the CIT boys knew that Edward was INSIDE the shop and purposely filmed him well outside the shop to falsely lead people to believe that Edward could see more than he could see. That is the OP. The OP has been proven true and the CIT defense is that Erik is just better at interview analysis than CIT is (Craig's assertion anyways). So incompetence or fraud? Which is it?
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Until they release the unedited video, and stop their attacks on witnesses like Lloyde? FRAUD.

What ever happened to old mudlark anyway?
 
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Will CIT be correcting their video and apologizing for the mistake that lead to such a misleading presentation of Paik's account?
 
BCR said:
So CE has retracted the incompetence plea and left them with nothing but guilty of fraud as charged?
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CE is posting based on some kind of emotional connection with CIT, as I think he more or less said himself. Since he mostly hasn't been interested in talking about evidence, I don't care about his "stance" or whatever is...

I would like to hear from mudlark though. Whatever negative things you can say about him, he's generally been tenacious and willing to go into the evidence (aside from a few dodges).

I'd also (again) like to see an apology and correction by CIT. The only responses I've seen (aside from the quote CE provided) have been cocky and pathetic, admitting no error or responsibility.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Practically i think it is because we lost interest for the moment. It's quite silly actually and as we see, you thrive on our attention. .
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Malapropism fixed for you CE.

The JREF existed before Sept 11/01 and will exist well after the CiT are gone and forgotten.

In the mean time the CiT clones continue to come here every once in a while.
Who needs who to thrive?
 
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A W Smith said:
I have to laugh. When confronted with Morin's testimony that he watched the tail of flight 77 dip as it headed toward the pentagon. The argument touted by the Citizens Ignorance Team is that Morin couldn't possibly have witnessed that because he was 10 feet within the annex wings when he first became aware of the noise of the plane.
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Wrong. He told Craig Ranke he was 10 feet within the Annex wings when the plane flew overhead.


But we are to accept without question the flight path drawn by Edward Paik who was surrounded by the four walls and ceiling of a tiny service station office. His only view was a brief shadow from this window.

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Given Paik´s (repeated) description of events to Adam Larson in his video

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01:36

Ed Paik : ¨I saw big black wing head that way (points in same direction that he tells Craig Ranke in his earlier interview)

02:40

On asked where the body of the plane was in relation to his shop

Ed Paik: ¨The body was over my building (points straight up at ceiling of his office)

04:55

Again reiterates that the body was above his shop.
¨All I saw was the wing¨
(...)
¨If I could see the left hand side then I could see the body..no..
all I could see was triangle (left wing)¨

08:35

Repeats how low the plane was and that if it was higher he would have been able to see more of the plane
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YOU tel me what other path he would possibly have drawn given his assertion that he could only see the right wing. That the body of the plane went over his roof. That it was very low.

One thing is 100% certain from watching both CIT and Larson´s interview with Ed Paik. His story is consistent. Larson´s interview actually bolsters the former.


Yet through this window. CIT gets and promotes this path

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No matter how you try and spin this he describes NOTHING of an SOC approach. He would have seen the WHOLE plane, both wings and fuselage.
The plane would have been flying over the altitude of the Sheraton Hotel.

Larson´s interview has narrowed Paik´s POV even more to the point that he described what he could PHYSICALLY see. One wing. From his position..NOC.
Without a doubt.

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A W Smith said:
its been quite a few days and we haven't had a wall of posts from our buddy Muddy, Is the show over?


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Are you nuts Smiffy?
I was away on holiday for a week.
I´m back to congratulate Adam Larson for confirming the NOC flightpath
Ed Paik witnessed. Well done.
 
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