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Magnetic reconnection and physical processes

Correction: All "flux tubes" in the solar atmosphere (IOW light plasma) *MUST* contain plasma flows.

In the "special" case of the sun, most likely all flux tubes contain plasma, whether or not it flows depends on whether or not there is an EMF generated along the flux tube. And whatever is a "light" plasma, is that a plasma that emits light, it is light because it is not heavy, is it ... ??????????????????

Magnetic lines by themselves do not create "flux tubes". They'd form simple lines like any normal magnetic field. The "current flow" in the plasma and of the plasma is what creates the "twisting" process.

WRONG, and that is why I specifically quoted Alfvén in order to describe a flux tube, from the book Cosmic Electrodynamics. (have you read that book?)

A flux tube can be defined along any magnetic field and can be an abstract entity, e.g. to discuss "frozen in field" in ideal MHD. Or it can be a specific shape like the Io flux tube.

This is where you seem to want to "cut out" the E field entirely, and ignore the whole role of moving charged particles. Your lines wouldn't "bundle" were it not for the current flow that creates the line and moving filament. It's a moving filament of charged particles, with current flow (in the form of electrons) flowing through the plasma tube filament. It works like any ordinary plasma filament, it's simply "scaled" in terms of "current flow' and therefore its' "magnetic field strength" is also scaled accordingly.

What part of EMF do you not understand? The E, the M or the F? And M does NOT stand for magnetic.

I can define a bundle, just like Alfvén did and twist the footpoints, like in Cosmic Electrodynamics. If it is in vacuum, then nothing happens, if it is in a plasma then then currents will be set up, throug the EMF, the ElectroMotiveForce, which is a nicer way of saying electric field.

And the frakking current does not create the frakking field line, it will twist the field lines it is flowing along, please prove to me that electrons and ions moving will create straight field lines. Read up on the problem in the post to brantc, who seems to be as clueless. What part of curl(B) ~ J don't you understand?
 
The fact of the matter is that in a terrestrial laboratory(and your TV), a cathode ray beam or AKA electron beams, are formed by electric field acceleration.

They are accounted for experimentally, and now have been observed on the sun... Why would you say solar electron beams are not the result of an electric field?

Title: Solar Electron Beams Detected in Hard X-Rays and Radio Waves
Authors: Aschwanden, M. J., Benz, A. O., Dennis, B. R., & Schwartz, R. A.
Journal: Astrophysical Journal v.455, p.347
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1995ApJ...455..347A/0000347.000.html

If you are going to say they are not the result of electric fields then you need to come up with some other experimental mechanism.

I have NO PROBLEM WITH ELECTRIC FIELDS at all. I was just asking where it comes from, and YES that is a valid question, and clearly Aschwanden et al. link it to type 3 bursts on the sun and flares etc.

You came up with these pencils of electrons that come from "upper solar latitudes", where you probably mean "altituded" instead of "latitudes" (at least when I look at the Aschwanden et al. paper) which makes more sense too, as "upper latitude" beams would be rather difficult to observe).

You can define it any way you want. To match reality it must be defined a certain way.

A flux tube contains no plasma when it is a mathematical equation on a computer.

Well, I am sorry that that happens to be the definition of a flux tube, sorry sorry sorry, I will write to all publishers and tell them to change it.

A flux tube can exist in a vacuum, or in a neutral gas, it is just a bundle of field lines. But as soon as you are going to specifics (see message above to MM) then most likely plasma will be involved, like in solar prominences or the Io flux tube.

The mathematical description of an existing "flux tube"(plasma column with attendant magnetic field) should always account for the plasma in a flux tube. Since the flux tube is formed by the energy of the particles(current makes magnetic field) flowing through it, whether it is dominated by the parallel component or the perpendicular component of the magnetic field.

You are giving a 'top down' description not a 'cause up' description.

And you are giving a bogus description of what the currents in a flux tube can do. Apparently you forgot about what I wrote later about these magical electrons that start gyrating around a not yet existing magnetic field, thus creating the flux tube and then currents that flow along create the twist,

Show us how you do this!
 
A)-E) and G) seem to have been answered. I cannot answer J).


No because the energy from current disruption is not comparable to the energy release seen in magnetic reconnection.


None. The energy in magnetic reconenciton is released from the magnetic field.


I cannot answer this for magnetic reconneciton but in general a Ej aproach is much more complicated than a Bu approach as tusenfem stated.

The Ej approach is not current disruption AFAIK. The physical, observed situation is still magnetic reconnection - the math just changes.

Reconnection and current disruption are two very different processes.
In the magnetotail one (Rx) occurs at distances greater than ~17 Earth radii down the tail, the other (CD) happens much closer in at distances smaller than ~13 Earth radii.

It is not so that if you would convert a figure showing magnetic fields and plasma flows around a reconnection site so that it would show electric fields and currents that Rx would change into CD.

There is the big discussion about substorms in the Earth's tail and whether they are outside-in or inside-out phenomena. If the former, then it is initiated by Rx and relaxation and current systems are set up possibly creating CD closer to the Earth. If it is the latter, CD makes a disruption, which sends out a signal which propagates down the tail to initiate reconnection.

I, personally (and some of my colleagues too) believe that there is no such debate in-out or out-in. It is much more likely that both processes happen, depending on the situation.
 
Show me even a half dozen *CURRENT FLOW* (electric field) oriented papers published in any mainstream publication in the 21st century?
Are you kidding?
There are 1000's of *CURRENT FLOW* (electric field) oriented papers published in the mainstream publications in the 21st century :jaw-dropp!
Search for 'current flow electric field':
ArXiv: 163 results
ADS: 4900 results
Google Scholar: 2,120,000 results! (48,000 for '"current flow" "electric field"')

You don't have any knowledge about "physics" because you never publish anything related to physics.
I personally have published somethng related to physics (I got a degree in solid state physics before moving to IT).
Other posters have mentioned much better publishing histories than me.
 
Pure ignorance.
Read the paper MM. There is no mention of current disruption. The author's model is electric currents in the photosphere generated by existing magnetic fields and motion of the plasma.

That's called induction. It has nothing whatsoever to do with "magnetic reconnection".
Thats called the release of energy from the magnetic field, e.g. via magntosonic waves. It has somthing to to do with magnetic reconnection".

So what? The E (particle/circuit) orientation of MHD theory is still just as valid as the B orientation. The problem with you guys is you only do one orientation, so everything seems "magnetic" to you.
There is no such thing as the E or particle/circuit orientation of MHD theory.
There is the Ej (electric field and current density) approach which is much more complicated than a Bu (magnetic field and vector field) approach. There are no particles in either approach.
 
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It doesn't matter how many empirical experiments you perform, or how many observations support the idea. The only thing that is important to this crowd is denying the viability of *ANY* EU oriented theory, so forget the empirical experimental facts and observational data, they aren't even interested in them.
A bit of madness from you, MM :eye-poppi!
The paper
Solar Electron Beams Detected in Hard X-Rays and Radio Waves
Authors: Aschwanden, M. J., Benz, A. O., Dennis, B. R., & Schwartz, R. A.
Journal: Astrophysical Journal v.455, p.347
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//...00347.000.html
has nothing at all to do with EU theory. It is a standard astrophysics paper on the electron beams that are observed to be emitted from solar flares.


We do not deny the validity of EU theories. It is just that the ones we have been presented with are obviously wrong. As I said:
  • Electric universe theories here where you will see a through debunking of the EU Iron Sun theory (e.g ignores the laws of thermodynamics), craters are electrical discharge effects (not enough enery available in proposed mechanisms), etc.
  • The Electric Comet theory where the EC proponents display their inability to understand that a measured density of ~0.6 g/cc for comets is less than a measured density of ~1.3 g/cc for asteroids.
  • Plasma Cosmology Woo or Not where plasma cosmology turns out not to be woo but just non-science. PC turns out to be a collection of often mutually contradictory theories collected according to some undefined criteria (to be more exact collected according to the personal preferences of the collector). Many of the PC theories are fatally flawed.
There may be an EU theory out there that I have not seen and has actual science and evidence supporting it. If you know of one then a post in the Electric universe theories here thread would be nice. Try not to duplicate the EU theories already mentioned there.
 
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Ya, and that's the basic problem RC. You're trying to figure out the physical processes of an electric universe without the qualifications necessary to figure it out, and with the attitude that whatever the cause, it absolutely can't be electricity.


No. You're starting with the unfounded assumption that an electric universe is a given, and you don't have the necessary qualifications to figure out that you're wrong, or even to figure out scientifically that anyone else is wrong. Your position is based on the attitude that whatever the cause, of everything, it absolutely must be electricity.

Nothing in any of your arguments over the past six years has been remotely based on legitimate scientific methodology. Nothing about any of your arguments has been based on anything other than incredulity, ignorance, and a gross misunderstanding of legitimate physics.

Every argument you've ever put forth, all without demonstrating that you even have the math skills to balance your own checkbook, flies directly in the face of all contemporary known empirical physics. That's why you see things one way, and every single professional physicist on Earth sees it another. Of course right and wrong in science isn't done according to a vote, but honestly, can you think of a way to explain how it is that you're right and they're all wrong?
 
Again, that's called "magnetic attraction/repulsion", not "magnetic reconnection".

Again "magnetic attraction/repulsion" is not referred to as magnetic reconnection by anyone but you. In fact I have specifically stated that the "magnetic attraction/repulsion" in the examples I have given is not the magnetic reconnections of those examples. So anytime that you are done wasting your own time dragging around you strawmen, we can actually discuss the reconnections.
 
Why Alfven Was Wrong

From January 20:
It's the physics they don't comprehend. I could never teach these folks a lick about math, but I can definitely teach them physics.
How about a quick show of hands, how many of the following individuals have actually read "Cosmic Plasma" by Hannes Alfven? ... Tim Thompson
You have asked this question about a bazillion times, keep getting the same answers, and then just ask it again like it's the first time. How many times do I have to tell you ... YES ... I have read the book and I have two copies of it in my physics library. I used the book as a reference when I was a graduate student.

So, how about a show of hands from Michael Mozina:
Have you read Magnetic Reconnection: MHD Theory and Practice by Priest & Forbes?
Have you read Nonlinear Magnetohydrodynamics by Deiter Biskamp?
Have you read Fundamentals of Plasma Physics by Paul Bellan?
Have you read The Physics of Plasmas by T.J.M. Boyd & J.J. Sanderson?
Have you read Plasma Physics for Astrophysics by Russell Kulsrud?
Have you read Plasma Astrophysics by Toshiki Tajima & Kazunari Shibata?
Have you read Conversations on Electric and Magnetic Fields in the Cosmos by Eugene Parker?

If you have not read any of these, can you tell us what plasma physics books, other than Alfven, you actually have read?
How many plasma physics classes have you taken?
How many plasma physics laboratory experiments have you performed yourself, or assisted with?

Mozina never responded. Let us be clear on something: it is the physics that Mozina does not understand at any level. It is the physics that Mozina constantly gets wrong. We can never teach Mozina physics because he is immune to learning, already quite convinced that his ignorance is in fact knowledge, he is beyond hope. But that need not apply to others reading this thread. So let me do something I said I would not do, since Mozina will never answer the questions above. Let me explore what Hannes Alfven really says about magnetic reconnection (not surprisingly, Alfven does not say what Mozina claims he says).

The following passages are transcribed from the book Cosmic Plasma by Hannes Alfven; D. Reidel Publishing Co., 1981. All of the emphasis (italics) are Alfven's from the original text, none are mine. First, Alfven addresses boundary conditions.


Page 28, section II.5.1 - Boundary Conditions
"Consider a volume V of space limited by a surface S. The properties of the plasma inside of S depend on the boundary conditions. Thus by changing the current through S, we can change the behavior of the plasma. As was seen in the preceding paragraph, the properties of the plasma depend on the whole circuit in which the current flows. This means that we can describe the plasma inside of S by parameters inside S only if i = 0 everywhere on S.
Hence, even if we know all plasma parameters (like density, temperature and magnetization) at every point inside S, we can describe the plasma properties theoretically only if there is no electric current crossing the surface. Therefore, the boundary problems have to be analysed very carefully."
This is a necessary consequence of Alfven's adoption of the circuit formalism for describing the physics of plasmas. He takes the position that it is not possible to properly describe the physics of plasmas by local variables alone, but that one must include the entire circuit, hence is requirement that no electric current can flow into or out of a given volume, if you want to use only local parameters to describe the plasma.

This leads into Alfven's specific statement about magnetic reconnection ...


Page 29, section II.5.3, - 'Magnetic Merging' Theories
"What we have found means that we can describe plasma phenomena inside a finite volume only if no electric current crosses the surface. In the terminology of the magnetic field description, this means that we can describe plasma phenomena inside a finite volume only if the perpendicular component of the curl is zero at every point of the surface."
"All theories of 'magnetic merging' (or 'field line reconnection') which do not satisfy this criterion are misleading or erroneous, and deserve no attention. This does not mean that all papers in which 'magnetic merging' is used are of no interest, because there exist some good papers (e.g., Hill, 1975) in which the term is merely a synonym for "current sheet acceleration".

These two paragraphs reveal a serious weakness in Alfven's method, in the context of modern plasma physics, and reveal precisely why Alfven was in fact wrong to reject magnetic reconnection. His statement above was correct, and as far as I know remains correct to this day. He was right to reject magnetic reconnection in the context of the boundary conditions he laid out, but carefully note what Alfven actually says, in Alfven's own words: "All theories of 'magnetic merging' (or 'field line reconnection') which do not satisfy this criterion are misleading or erroneous, and deserve no attention." Alfven did not categorically reject the idea of magnetic reconnection, he only rejected it in cases where his boundary conditions apply. The problem, of course, is that his boundary conditions can be quite unrealistic and do not apply in most cases to real plasma in space, and this is where Alfven fails: Alfven's boundary condition requirements do not necessarily reflect the physical state of real plasmas, either in space, or in the laboratory.

Magnetic reconnection requires oppositely directed magnetic fields. Parallel magnetic fields cannot reconnect. Alfven's boundary conditions establish only parallel magnetic fields and therefore rule out at once all cases where one would expect magnetic reconnection to occur. Hence, Alfven is right to claim that magnetic reconnection will not occur when his boundary conditions are satisfied. But he was wrong to assume that his boundary conditions were physically realistic when applied to real space & astrophysical plasma. He was wrong to require all plasmas to satisfy boundary conditions which automatically rule out magnetic reconnection.

Alfven established faulty boundary conditions because he was guided by a faulty paradigm, namely the circuit paradigm for describing the physics of plasmas. That paradigm has serious limitations. It is still used by plasma physicists today, but has limited application. Alfven's reliance on this circuit formalism may have been good enough to establish the basics of plasma physics and the basics of ideal MHD, but was not good enough to handle the advances that have given us modern plasma physics. None of the modern plasma physics text books I have in my library apply the circuit analogy to plasma physics the way Alfven did. It simply does not apply to realistic space plasma physics in most cases, and we can in fact deal with all cases today using the local parameters of the plasma without appealing to Alfven's limiting boundary conditions.

Now, let me add the caveat that I am not a specialist in plasma physics (although I actually have coauthored one paper in space plasma physics: Bolton, et al., 1989). But I do have a master's degree in physics, I can read plasma physics text books, and most importantly of all, I know when to ask for help. So I acknowledge hints from tusenfem on interpreting Alfven in this case. I don't think I am making any big mistakes here, but feel free to correct any errors (even the little ones).

Finally, once again, I direct the interested reader to the book Magnetic Reconnection: MHD Theory and Application; Priest & Forbes, Cambridge University Press, 2000. Section 4.2 describes the Sweet-Parker mechanism, and section 4.3 describes the faster Petschek mechanism, both of which are reconnection mechanisms that take place in plasma environments which are not allowed to exist under Alfven's restrictive boundary conditions.
 
No. You're starting with the unfounded assumption that an electric universe is a given, and you don't have the necessary qualifications to figure out that you're wrong, or even to figure out scientifically that anyone else is wrong. Your position is based on the attitude that whatever the cause, of everything, it absolutely must be electricity.

Nothing in any of your arguments over the past six years has been remotely based on legitimate scientific methodology. Nothing about any of your arguments has been based on anything other than incredulity, ignorance, and a gross misunderstanding of legitimate physics.

Every argument you've ever put forth, all without demonstrating that you even have the math skills to balance your own checkbook, flies directly in the face of all contemporary known empirical physics. That's why you see things one way, and every single professional physicist on Earth sees it another. Of course right and wrong in science isn't done according to a vote, but honestly, can you think of a way to explain how it is that you're right and they're all wrong?


Its like a multicolored dreamcoat of word salad.

Now lets give this the good old Truzi pseudoskeptic test

Characteristics of a pseudoskeptic.

* The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.
* Double standards in the application of criticism.
* The making of judgments without full inquiry.
* Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.
* Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.
* Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.
* Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.
* Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.
* Making unsubstantiated counter-claims.
* Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
* Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.
* Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.
* Asserting that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (Argument from ignorance).
* They speak down to their audience using 'arguments from authority'.
* They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.
* No references to reputable journal material.
* If the pseudo-skeptic has a monetary interest (such as maintaining a funding stream or a salary) his criticisms often become vituperative.

And lets check against,

True Skeptics / Open-Minded Skeptics

* Does not show any of the characteristics of a pseudoskeptic.

Nope

* Inquires and asks questions to try to understand things

Nope

* Applies open inquiry and investigation of both sides

Nope

* Is nonjudgmental, doesn't jump to rash conclusions

Nope

* Has honest doubt and questions all beliefs, including their own

Nope

* Seeks the truth, considers it the highest aim

Nope

* Fairly and objectively weighs evidence on all sides

Not that I can see.

* Acknowledges valid convincing evidence

No

* Possesses solid sharp common sense and reason

Nope

* Is able to adapt and update their paradigms to new evidence

No.

Oh dear :o
 
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A)-E) and G) seem to have been answered. I cannot answer J).


No because the energy from current disruption is not comparable to the energy release seen in magnetic reconnection.


None. The energy in magnetic reconenciton is released from the magnetic field.


I cannot answer this for magnetic reconneciton but in general a Ej aproach is much more complicated than a Bu approach as tusenfem stated.

The Ej approach is not current disruption AFAIK. The physical, observed situation is still magnetic reconnection - the math just changes.


Thank you, will ascertain whether each question was answered and point out the flaws in magnetic reconnection theory as I see them soon.

Ima go and set up camp to try to see one of these neutral x points I can see clearly on the contour map, maybe the inherent property of contour lines is to release energy after completely arbitrary (due mainly to us deciding the λ) topilogical changes in the lines we use to model them occur. Fingers crossed for some exploding mountains tonight. :)

Oh yea reality check, you said:

Yawn.
The only person suggesting that that magnetic field lines are real physical thngs or being treated as real physical things, is you Zeuzzz.


Well can you explain without any reference to physical things how the result of this relationship [latex]{\rho}(\frac{\rho}{{\rho}t}+V.{\bigtriangledown})v=J{.}B-{\bigtriangledown}\rho[/latex] is independant of the arbitrary wavelengths chosen to represent the magnetic field.
 
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Oh yea reality check, you said:
Originally Posted by Reality Check
Yawn.
The only person suggesting that that magnetic field lines are real physical thngs or being treated as real physical things, is you Zeuzzz.
Well can you explain without any reference to physical things how the result of this relationship
latex.php
is independant of the arbitrary wavelengths chosen to represent the magnetic field.
I do not recognize the equation. But the answer seems easy: J.B is a scalar.
 
Oh I never said it represents "magnetic tension" in MHD theory.

What are all the roles of this magnetic tension, and how is it independant of the arbitrary wavelengths chosen to represent the magnetic field.
 
Oh I never said it represents "magnetic tension" in MHD theory.

What are all the roles of this magnetic tension, and how is it independant of the arbitrary wavelengths chosen to represent the magnetic field.
The roles of the magnetic tension is to be magnetic and provide tension. If you want more than that look up magnetic tension in a textbook - or Wikipedia: Magnetic tension force.

Do you have the correct equation? I see it with JxB.

Can you give your source for "this relationship ... is independant of the arbitrary wavelengths chosen to represent the magnetic field"?

Can I take it that you have given up on magnetic reconnection and now want to convert this thread into a general discussion of MHD theory?
 
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Its like a multicolored dreamcoat of word salad.

Which I fixed for you below.:)

Now lets give this the good old Truzi pseudoskeptic test

Characteristics of a pseudoskeptic.

* The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.
* Double standards in the application of criticism.
* The making of judgments without full inquiry.
* Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.
* Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.
* Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.
* Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.
* Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.
* Making unsubstantiated counter-claims.
* Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.
* Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.
* Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.
* Asserting that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (Argument from ignorance).
* They speak down to their audience using 'arguments from authority'.
* They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.
* No references to reputable journal material.
* If the pseudo-skeptic has a monetary interest (such as maintaining a funding stream or a salary) his criticisms often become vituperative.
* INSIST on using eyeball burning color schemes to ANNOY their adversaries into surrender. [You must have omitted that last one accidentally.:D]

All of which (except maybe the last two) have been abundantly evident in MM's posts from the first time I saw him here; Yours and Brantc's to a somewhat lesser extent. You are living proof of the last one, which I added especially for you.



This next part is on the level of "No True Scotsman" and similar nonsense.

And lets check against,

True Skeptics / Open-Minded Skeptics

* Does not show any of the characteristics of a pseudoskeptic.

Nope

* Inquires and asks questions to try to understand things

Nope

* Applies open inquiry and investigation of both sides

Nope

* Is nonjudgmental, doesn't jump to rash conclusions

Nope

* Has honest doubt and questions all beliefs, including their own

Nope

* Seeks the truth, considers it the highest aim

Nope

* Fairly and objectively weighs evidence on all sides

Not that I can see.

* Acknowledges valid convincing evidence

No

* Possesses solid sharp common sense and reason

Nope

* Is able to adapt and update their paradigms to new evidence

No.

Oh dear :o

And, if you were to stumble across a mirror or observe MM honestly, would see those same negative answers apply to the both of you.



Projection much?:rolleyes:

ETA:From the link to Wiki:
... projection bias (including Freudian Projection) is the unconscious act of denial of a person's own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to the weather, the government, a tool, or to other people. Thus, it involves imagining or projecting that others have the same feelings or motives, rather than what they really think.

Projection is considered one of the most profound and subtle of human psychological processes, and extremely difficult to work with, because by its nature it is hidden. It is the fundamental mechanism by which we keep ourselves uninformed about ourselves. Humor has great value in any attempt to work with projection, because humor presents a forgiving posture and thereby removes the threatening nature of any inquiry into the truth.
[Emphasis mine]


Cheers,

Dave
 
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* The tendency to deny, rather than doubt.

On this particular topic I don't deny the math or the physical process has merit, I simply doubt that it's any different than an ordinary "circuit" processes in plasma or different from ordinary induction. The other side seems to be the one in denial that these events could even be related to "circuits".

* Double standards in the application of criticism.

You mean like how you criticize a "circuit" approach even though Alfven himself did it, and Birkeland physically and empirically demonstrated it in a lab with spheres in a vacuum?

* The making of judgments without full inquiry.

Did you guys even do any lab work that didn't use current carrying filaments to "reconnect"?

* Tendency to discredit, rather than investigate.

Like the Geemack, DRD, liar, liar pant's on fire approach to science from your side of the aisle? :) Please! You don't even have a leg to stand on. I can't even get DRD to read Alfven's work after what now, 4 years of playing pseudoskeptic?

* Use of ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.

Does Geemack even post without an hominem or personal attack?

* Pejorative labeling of proponents as 'promoters', 'pseudoscientists' or practitioners of 'pathological science.

I could speak volumes here about he anti-EU crowd's approach to science, but why bother. This thread is full of many such examples.

* Presenting insufficient evidence or proof.

You mean how you never demonstrated "magnetic reconnection" could occur naturally in the absence "electrical discharges"? I don't think there was a single "experiment" on Tim's entire list of papers that didn't involve "current flow" through plasma filaments that "reconnect", with no regard to the electrical current involved in the process.

* Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof.

Well, alright. We're probably all guilty of that one depending on which side of the aisle you happen to be on.

* Making unsubstantiated counter-claims.

Well, I did provide that list of papers related to modern satellite evidence so you really have nothing to bitch about, particularly in this thread.

* Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence.

Define "empirical evidence". We have empirical evidence that discharges in the Earth's atmosphere produce gamma rays and x-rays from plasma in the Earth's atmosphere. We point Rhessi and Fermi at such events and observe such emissions. We then point the same exact gear at the solar atmosphere, observe the same gamma rays, and your side claims the most "plausible" explanation is "magnetic reconnection"? What empirical evidence supports that assertion?

* Suggesting that unconvincing evidence is grounds for dismissing it.

I never actually "dismissed" the process, I simply dismissed a piss poor labeling system to describe that process.

* Use of vague, exaggerated or untestable claims.

That doesn't seem to apply here since both sides seem to believe their claims are testable, and even I would say there has to be a physical way to settle this debate. I can't think of how to do that yet since none of you seem to be able to describe what is physically unique about "magnetic reconnection" compared to something more ordinary, like particle collisions in current carrying plasma and induction.

* Asserting that claims which have not been proven false must be true, and vice versa (Argument from ignorance).

Again, I'm not sure that applies well to this argument.

* They speak down to their audience using 'arguments from authority'.

:) Please. I can't tell you have many times you folks stand on an appeal to authority fallacy. I'm probably guilty of that one by mentioning Alfven's stand on this topic however, so sue me. :)

* They put forward their assumptions as if they were universal truths.

I guess as you get older you don't quite see "truth" in quite the same way as you did as a child. There are some things however that can be empirically demonstrated, and some that cannot.

* No references to reputable journal material.

Define "reputable journal". I've provided plenty of published material to support my case.

* If the pseudo-skeptic has a monetary interest (such as maintaining a funding stream or a salary) his criticisms often become vituperative.

Inapplicable from my perspective since I'm not dependent upon the outcome of this conversation in any monetary way. I don't know who here might fall into such a category.

* INSIST on using eyeball burning color schemes to ANNOY their adversaries into surrender. [You must have omitted that last one accidentally.]

You can't blame me for that one, though I thing that criticism about using too many quotes had some validity. :)
 
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Are you kidding?
There are 1000's of *CURRENT FLOW* (electric field) oriented papers published in the mainstream publications in the 21st century :jaw-dropp!
Search for 'current flow electric field':
ArXiv: 163 results
ADS: 4900 results
Google Scholar: 2,120,000 results! (48,000 for '"current flow" "electric field"')

Name a half dozen of them that have been published in a mainstream publication like the APJ or Science Magazine since the turn of the millennium. It seems like everything I'm finding even remotely oriented to the E orientation come from Germany and Russia these days.
 
These two paragraphs reveal a serious weakness in Alfven's method, in the context of modern plasma physics, and reveal precisely why Alfven was in fact wrong to reject magnetic reconnection. His statement above was correct, and as far as I know remains correct to this day. He was right to reject magnetic reconnection in the context of the boundary conditions he laid out, but carefully note what Alfven actually says, in Alfven's own words: "All theories of 'magnetic merging' (or 'field line reconnection') which do not satisfy this criterion are misleading or erroneous, and deserve no attention." Alfven did not categorically reject the idea of magnetic reconnection, he only rejected it in cases where his boundary conditions apply. The problem, of course, is that his boundary conditions can be quite unrealistic and do not apply in most cases to real plasma in space, and this is where Alfven fails: Alfven's boundary condition requirements do not necessarily reflect the physical state of real plasmas, either in space, or in the laboratory.

FYI, I'll just skip all the unnecessary posturing and cut to the chase:

http://arxiv.org/abs/0908.0813

The whole conversation that DRD quoted earlier between myself and DrRocket was directly related to this same topic. My question to him was "Where in the solar atmosphere is Curl B = 0. The answer is "nowhere" Tim. You're using the wrong boundary conditions as that paper clearly demonstrates and those million mile per hour "current flows" flowing into the Earth demonstrate:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/themis/auroras/northern_lights.html

Angelopoulos was quite impressed with the substorm's power and he estimated the total energy of the two-hour event at five hundred thousand billion Joules. That's equivalent to the energy of one magnitude 5.5 earthquake . Where does all that energy come from? THEMIS may have found the answer.

Those are "current carrying" magnetic ropes Tim! You're exactly wrong on this issue and you have exactly the wrong boundary condition as well. You can only apply this logic where no current flow is taking place but the entire solar atmosphere is a current carrying plasma!

Magnetic reconnection requires oppositely directed magnetic fields. Parallel magnetic fields cannot reconnect.

No magnetic field lines disconnect or reconnect Tim:

Our Gedanken experiment shows that neither the injection of one test particle, a small number of test particles, or all of the solar wind particles call for a change in the Maxwellian concept of magnetic field lines . There is no need for `frozen-in' field lines moving with the plasma, still less for `field-line reconnection' or `magnetic merging' . The magnetic field always remains static and not a single field line is `disconnected' or `reconnected'. The energy of a charged particle is given by Equation (6) . There is no field-line reconnection' that can transfer energy to the particles or release energy in any other way. Other arguments against reconnection models are forewarded by Heikkila (1978).

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Alfven's boundary conditions establish only parallel magnetic fields and therefore rule out at once all cases where one would expect magnetic reconnection to occur.

No he doesn't. He rules out your theory by default because nowhere in the solar atmosphere is Curl B = 0. It's filled with fast moving charged particles, AKA "current flow".

You're simply ignoring those papers I provided you with Tim. They clearly show that Alfven's 'circuit' method can be applied to solar flare events. A couple of "circuits" crossing is not "magnetic reconnection" Tim, it's "circuit reconnection", or more specifically it's a short circuit in two current carrying magnetic ropes.

You're using the wrong boundary condition Tim. That is why Alfven switched to the E orientation when describing solar atmospheric events. Like all the other authors listed in that first paper that were cited by the authors of that paper, Alfven was very aware of the current flows inside the solar atmosphere. You're trying to use the B field orientation like a sledgehammer and apply it to everything you see! Instead of selecting the proper boundary condition, and using a "circuit" orientation, you're still stuck in a B field orientation.
 
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"However, in cosmic plasmas the perhaps most important constriction mechanism is the electromagnetic attraction between parallel currents . A manifestation of this mechanism is the pinch effect, which was studied by Bennett long ago (1934), and has received much attention in connection with thermonuclear research . As we shall see, phenomena of this general type also exist on a cosmic scale, and lead to a bunching of currents and magnetic fields to filaments or `magnetic ropes' . This bunching is usually accompanied by an accumulation of matter, and it may explain the observational fact that cosmic matter exhibits an abundance of filamentary structures (II .4 .1) . This same mechanism may also evacuate the regions near the rope and produce regions of exceptionally low densities."

This is Alfven's definition of a magnetic rope. Note that the "rope" is a "current carrying" filament in plasma. These ropes are mathematically described in terms of circuits in Alfven's papers and in the first paper I provided on that list of four current papers.
 

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