Ancient Pyramids and other structures, astronomical alignment & similarity.

Akhenaten said:
You're good, I reckon.

Your angle is right for the Great Pyramid of Pharaoh Khufu. My 53° 10' was for Pharaoh Khafre's.

Pharaoh Menkhare's was different again at about 52°.

A lot of the design work was a long period of trial-and-error to come up with the ideal angle, and getting those three big babies to within a couple of degrees was probably as good as they could get it, and good enough to have stayed up for a bit.

No hocus-pocus at all. Superlative engineering though. Nobody ever did better with stone than the Two Lands.
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It's only got to stand till the check clears.
(universal contractor motto)
 
Marcus said:
I've never believed that the accuracy was within individual minutes, even though the angles are stated using them. I don't know what error a minute would translate into on something as big as a Giza pyramid, but on the scale I'm working, it means thousandths of an inch.
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A 3' rotation of a line 230 metres long (base length of the Great Pyramid) moves the far end of the line 200 millimetres - 0.087% error.

Imhotep da man!


Marcus said:
The whole idea that the angle was arrived at from a pratical engineering standpoint makes sense , of course, and it also pokes a hole in the pyramid power mythology, which holds that the specific angle is needed to focus the energy and produce the claimed effects.
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I've always found it rather odd that the new agers have come up with all this pyramid power rubbish when the people who invented the things would laugh at such nonsense.

As an example, the location of the burial chamber in a Pyramid can be anywhere from up near the top to down under the bedrock, all at Pharaoh's whim.

The Ka doesn't mind a few flights of steps at all.

By the time of the Amenhoteps, they'd done away with the whole idea of a Pyramid, but maintained the important features of internal layout in the Valley of the Kings. KV5 is a classic underground Pyramid complex, sans Pyramid.


Marcus said:
I've heard many people make claims for the pyramid boxes I have sold them, food won't rot, herbs or drugs get stronger, ect. My usual retort is to tell them with a laugh that they should put in a $10 bill and it will be a 20 tomorrow.
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It doesn't matter what's in it. Getting your Pyramid to last 5 000 years is the real trick.
 
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King of the Americas said:
Belief doesn't matter here. What 'evidence' is there to be had to date this monument, besides the written/mythological.

Let's examine the weathering patterns.

What does those tell us.
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I have already posted the answer to that question

2500bce

the only people saying otherwise are all part of the pseudohistory crowd who don't have one relevant qualification between them and nothing they say is accepted, especially not by Hawass and Lehner. Lehner being a case in point as his education was paid for by the A.R.E. (Edgar Cayce woo foundation) he went to Egypt to prove that Cayce was correct, after he had been there a short time he started taking the orthodox line, why do you think that is.

this may answer a few questions
http://www.catchpenny.org/sphinx.html
There simply is no reason why an icon like a sphinx, which is only known from the rest of Egypt from 5th dynasty onwards should be much older. If it had been there since before the Egyptian civilisation there would be statue examples of it dating from the first dynasty 600 years earlier. The Sphinx and the Pyramids at Giza are all part of the same Necropolis and only make any sense in that context, remember KotA, context is very important.
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Moss said:
Sphinx, Lamassu, what's the difference? *runs very very fast*
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Lamassu has feathery lookin' winglets.

Sphynx has Pratt & Whitneys.


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Artist's Impression​
 
Moss said:
Sphinx, Lamassu, what's the difference? *runs very very fast*
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its not very difficult to tell them apart, one has the body of a Bull and the other the body of a cat, if you are having difficulty telling the difference this might explain why your kitty regularly kicks the kitchen walls down around your ears and why hes not satisfied with kibble
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Akhenaten said:
I didn't do my quickie job that way partly because there aren't enough places in Australia to make complex patterns, and partly mainly because I'm lazy.
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<snort> Frankly, I didn't know there were THAT many places in Australia. ;)
 
Marduk said:
Orthodoxy says 2500bce
Pseudo historians say 10,500bce

there is only credible evidence to support the first of those two dates, the latter is actually based on Platos dating for Atlantis, reiterated by Madame Blavatsky (on information gained from some ascended masters which she channelled) and then popularised by Edgar Cayce (while he was asleep) before finally made famous by Bauval and Hancock (who both got pseudo history books out)
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There is also Robert M. Schoch, who says "at least 5000 B.C., and maybe as early as 7000 or 9000 B.C.". He's a geologist, not a historian, but bases his answer on the erosion of the rocks, not archeological artifacts or writing. This is a point on which I have not heard a specific counter-argument; I know of historical & archeological counter-arguments, but not geological ones.

I think he does go for at least one wooey historical idea about some kind of highly advanced and widespread culture which somehow ended before the beginning of the rest of ancient history as we know it. But he also tends to be the voice of geological reason in other cases such as Yonaguni and Visoko, dismissing alleged human construction sites as natural rock formations.
 
Delvo said:
There is also Robert M. Schoch, who says "at least 5000 B.C., and maybe as early as 7000 or 9000 B.C.". He's a geologist, not a historian, but bases his answer on the erosion of the rocks, not archeological artifacts or writing. This is a point on which I have not heard a specific counter-argument; I know of historical & archeological counter-arguments, but not geological ones.

I think he does go for at least one wooey historical idea about some kind of highly advanced and widespread culture which somehow ended before the beginning of the rest of ancient history as we know it. But he also tends to be the voice of geological reason in other cases such as Yonaguni and Visoko, dismissing alleged human construction sites as natural rock formations.
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I have already posted a link which easily debunks all his "beliefs" about weathering. His claims as an unproven hypothesis do not actually need a counter argument, every other geologist who's examined the sphinx to check his claims says he is wrong and he has a vested interest in publishing woo beliefs about ancient history being an author of pseudo history books. He was never the voice of reason at Yonaguni or Visoko either, science already does that
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Akhenaten said:
So, who's gonna be first second to completely forget which thread they're posting in?
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Agreed.

The world over the ancients built huge monuments, "many" of which are aligned with astronomical movements and were built using the same basic shape.

We have all sorts of examples, several of which have been here posted here.

Again, "many" of the ancient megalithic structures are similar even in the mastery of the stone work employed. Look closely at the fittings of Machu Pichu, Puma Punko, the Great Pyramid, these weren't structures thrown up over night .

The other major similarity they share is that we really DON'T know who built them, how they did it, or for what reason, or even for certain when it happened. We have 'lost' our ancient history.

Proof as to what has happened is lacking...so far.

I think, rather than closing the door to such notions as "lost civilizations", we should admit openly that this happened and that we don't know everything about those to erected these structures. Troy was real, before they decided to look for it. How do you expect to find something you aren't looking for?

Moreover, to conclude that ancient people had no global contact/awareness of other cultures is not something I am willing to do just yet. I'm not sure one could ever conclude that. How do you present proof of a non-event?
 
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