ACORN filmmaker arrested

[332nd]

"And we have the first they were set up CT"

that is exactly what happened with the plummers. ya think hunt and the boys who were instrumental in the '63 coup d'etat couldn't pull off a simple wire tap? kissinger/rockefeller set them up to bring down nixon. the pimp and his ho are from the farm, guaranteed. they are heavy psyops infiltrators devoid of any soul and would not hesitate to follow unconstitutional orders from their handlers. he got set up and will probably shake down another "nixonesque" target. these guys play the same fake patriot games over and over and over again. it is like reading a script.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=156982.0;topicseen

 

[Questioninggeller]

It should also be pointed that ACORN is suing James O'Keefe for illegally taping/recording staff without consent in two states (Pennsylvania and Maryland).

Activist filmmaker arrested in senator’s office
Man who exposed ACORN accused of seeking to wiretap Landrieu’s phones
Jan 26, 2010
MSNBC

A conservative filmmaker who posed as a pimp to target the liberal activist group ACORN was arrested with the son of a federal prosecutor and two other men and accused of plotting to tamper with the New Orleans offices of Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La.
...
O'Keefe's biography on a Web site where he blogs says he works at VeritasVisuals.com, though that Web site does not currently work. O’Keefe was in New Orleans last week to give a speech at the Libertarian Pelican Institute.

O'Keefe has been sued in Pennsylvania and Maryland based on the ACORN videos; he does not have an attorney of record in either case.

ACORN calls itself the largest grass roots community organization of low- and moderate-income people in the country, claiming over 400,000 families, more than 1,200 neighborhood chapters in about 75 cities.
...

 

[fuelair]

It is unclear from the article. And the law varies from state to state, so I am not sure. There are some states in which you cannot record even your own coversations with others.

Pretty much all states have some version of a law that states you can't audio record another person without their permission OR a court order.

 

[Skeptic]

IMHO it should be legal for a citizen to secretly record their conversations with all politicians/public employees.

Might cut down on demands for bribes and other corruption.

I'm quite sure it is legal to record one own'sconversations -- or somebody else's conversations with their consent -- even if the other party for the conversation doesn't know about it.

What's illegal is to record a conversation when neither participants know about it.

 

[WildCat]

I'm quite sure it is legal to record one own'sconversations -- or somebody else's conversations with their consent -- even if the other party for the conversation doesn't know about it.

What's illegal is to record a conversation when neither participants know about it.

Not in Illinois. All parties must give consent.

 

[shecky]

A flair for the dramatic, too.

O'Keefe said only "veritas," Latin for truth, as he left jail Tuesday with suspects Stan Dai and Joseph Basel, both 24.

I wonder if his mentor, big baby Breitbart, will start making excuses, or just throw him under the bus?

 

[Brainster]

Pretty much all states have some version of a law that states you can't audio record another person without their permission OR a court order.

You sound very certain, but you are wrong.

Still, that's not the issue here; the parties involved appear to have broken federal law.

ETA: The thing that puzzles me is that O'Keefe was there to film the guys setting up the wiretap. I cannot fathom why he would do that. Still I guess if you can convince the staffers at ACORN offices to help you set up a brothel for under-aged El Salvadoran girls, you might think that everybody's as stupid as they are.

 

[quadraginta]

Pretty much all states have some version of a law that states you can't audio record another person without their permission OR a court order.

I'm quite sure it is legal to record one own'sconversations -- or somebody else's conversations with their consent -- even if the other party for the conversation doesn't know about it.

What's illegal is to record a conversation when neither participants know about it.

You sound very certain, but you are wrong.

Still, that's not the issue here; the parties involved appear to have broken federal law.

As far as phone conversations and involved parties are concerned the law varies from state to state. Some require both parties' consent (e.g. California) some only one (e.g. North Carolina). A Google search will bring up a list pretty quick. Interstate calls between states with different views are more problematic, but the two party state will usually trump, mostly since that's the state a criminal charge or lawsuit would end up in. How the recordings are ultimately used has some consideration, but generally not much if a recording goes public.

AFAIK, no state permits recording a phone conversation without either party's consent unless a warrant is involved. Federal agency shenanigans are more casual in that regard, as I'm sure we've all heard about.

Recordings between two or more parties in face to face conversation are treated differently, and also vary from state to state.

 

[332nd]

ETA: The thing that puzzles me is that O'Keefe was there to film the guys setting up the wiretap. I cannot fathom why he would do that. Still I guess if you can convince the staffers at ACORN offices to help you set up a brothel for under-aged El Salvadoran girls, you might think that everybody's as stupid as they are.

I can't get that either. The only things I can think of is that...

A:They thought it would be funny to include it in any tapes they released.
B: They want proof that they did it so it would be harder to for the senator claim the tapes were fake.
C: A combination of the two.

No matter what the reason, it's a really stupid move considering it gives the FBI solid evidence to charge them with a crime.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

I stand potentially corrected. Is there any question that wiretapping someone else's telephone calls is illegal?

Nope. Illegal as all heck. If they tried that, they are incredibly stupid and need to be prosecuted.

That is certainly the inference from the story; the article stops short of saying it, however.

 

[Alan]

There's a blog entry on Pharyngula about Joe Basel, who is someone accused of being an accomplice. It might be of interest to someone.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/01/joe_basels_behavior_is_not_my.php

 

[Dancing David]

I just have to say this:

:Shakespearean voice:
Nanny Nanny Boo Boo, they smell like dog doo

 

[leftysergeant]

And you don't win the million clams for predicting it. Just too obvious what would be my reaction to the thought of the torment that pimp boy is going to go through in the slammer, what with his being such a little wussie with a real purdy mouth.

And little miss sleaze bag probably wishes that a certain photo of her would disappear before she gets hauled in to face trial for her crimes. A New York Post photo shows her standing between pimp boy and the maggot Dai.

Makes a case for a criminal conspiracy, possibly. Idiot boy Breitbart may do some time behind this as well.

Doesn't this make the case that they built against ACORN look even more like BS, seeing that Breitbart's is a criminal operation?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

And you don't win the million clams for predicting it. Just too obvious what would be my reaction to the thought of the torment that pimp boy is going to go through in the slammer, what with his being such a little wussie with a real purdy mouth.

And little miss sleaze bag probably wishes that a certain photo of her would disappear before she gets hauled in to face trial for her crimes. A New York Post photo shows her standing between pimp boy and the maggot Dai.

Makes a case for a criminal conspiracy, possibly. Idiot boy Breitbart may do some time behind this as well.

Doesn't this make the case that they built against ACORN look even more like BS, seeing that Breitbart's is a criminal operation?

Just the kind of unbiased expert legal analysis we've been looking for.

Are you still packing heat at town halls, Lefty?

 

[leftysergeant]

Just the kind of unbiased expert legal analysis we've been looking for.

Are you still packing heat at town halls, Lefty?

Something happened I should stop?

What is biased about thinking that an idiot who got caught with evidence that he committed a major felony is worthy of the deepest scorn that society can pile on him after he abused the rights of so many other people?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Something happened I should stop?

Does something need to have happened? Most people on both sides of the aisle consider such behavior disruptive and borderline psychotic.

But if you need an event or precedent to give you a clue, how about your habit of seeing hidden messages in the clothes people are wearing?

What is biased about thinking that an idiot who got caught with evidence that he committed a major felony is worthy of the deepest scorn that society can pile on him after he abused the rights of so many other people?

You assumed without evidence that Andrew Breitbart knew of this activity or was involved. You further claimed, again without evidence, that Breitbarts company is a criminal organization.

 

[leftysergeant]

Does something need to have happened? Most people on both sides of the aisle consider such behavior disruptive and borderline psychotic.

Concealed carry is not disruptive. Open carry, as is the habit of Teabaggers where it is legal is. Openly carrying while displaying signs suggesting that the POTUS should be killed is disruptive. You have your priorities a bit skewed.

But if you need an event or precedent to give you a clue, how about your habit of seeing hidden messages in the clothes people are wearing?

When you stage-manage a public disturbance involving more than one or two people, it is best that at least your principle actors be identifiable. The principle actors in the events that I pointed out were similarly dressed. What is so odd about my noticing that?

You assumed without evidence that Andrew Breitbart knew of this activity or was involved.

There is no reason to assume that Breitbart was aware. He was aware of what the maggots were doing to ACORN, and has aided and abetted their earlier criminal activity. Both Breitbart and the maggots are out to destroy people's reputations with doctored videos. Why would I assume that he was staying clean now?

You further claimed, again without evidence, that Breitbarts company is a criminal organization.

Aiding in a criminal act after the fact is a crime.

 

[BenBurch]

Not in Illinois. All parties must give consent.

Absolutely correct. And I have helped send somebody to jail for violating that.

 

[fuelair]

You sound very certain, but you are wrong.

Still, that's not the issue here; the parties involved appear to have broken federal law.

ETA: The thing that puzzles me is that O'Keefe was there to film the guys setting up the wiretap. I cannot fathom why he would do that. Still I guess if you can convince the staffers at ACORN offices to help you set up a brothel for under-aged El Salvadoran girls, you might think that everybody's as stupid as they are.

Just curious - since no one here so far has given a counter sample : can you name a state that allows audio recording of another person, without their permission OR a court order? And, if so, please do.

 

[Giggywig]

And you don't win the million clams for predicting it. Just too obvious what would be my reaction to the thought of the torment that pimp boy is going to go through in the slammer, what with his being such a little wussie with a real purdy mouth.

And little miss sleaze bag probably wishes that a certain photo of her would disappear before she gets hauled in to face trial for her crimes. A New York Post photo shows her standing between pimp boy and the maggot Dai.

Makes a case for a criminal conspiracy, possibly. Idiot boy Breitbart may do some time behind this as well.

Doesn't this make the case that they built against ACORN look even more like BS, seeing that Breitbart's is a criminal operation?

Just to keep the players straight, who is "little miss sleaze bag?"