Split Thread Source of the explosions in the WTC towers

[thecritta]

Well as far a bombs in the wtc center are concerned i think there
where bombs planted in the towers, ok far enough a jet rammed into
each of the twin towers sending burning jet fuel down the elevator
shafts which may have triggered of some explosions, but as far as i
can tell most of the reports of explosions in the wtc towers where
reported in the lower section and lower floors and in the basement
so we all know that there where long burning fires in any of the lower
floors of the towers or any floors other than where the planes impacted
so if there is no fire's in these area's where the explosion where witnessed
then what caused things to explode like bombs going off over a period of
time?

Ok fair enough it would seem at lot less suspicious to me if there where
a dozen half a dozen explosions in the towers or maybe a little more
considering the towers where on fire, so there must have been a hell
of a lot of things in the towers that could explode with tremendous force
right?

It's not just the reports of explosions that make me suspicious
it the way the witnesses described them, like describing them as
a tremendous explosion a huge explosion etc so whatever caused
some of these explosion must have released a tremendous amount
of force when it exploded and also i am even more inclined to think
there where explosive devices set inside the towers when witnesses
have described explosion accuring in series.

As far as we know there where about 100 or more testimonies of explosions
going of inside the towers, can anyone here give me an example of a building
fire where there have been 100 or more reports of explosions going off?

Another thing is that i think there where to many reports of explosions
going off on at ground zero on 9/11 for it to be just things exploding
because of fire and whatever else would cause trigger something to explode
like gas pipes for example, no one ever reported smelling leaking gas on 9/11
did they?

Here we go lets look at some testimonies from Core Of Corruption
Shall

Core Of Corruption Part 11 of 15 watch?v=urvEazcdSr0&feature=related

1:07 Witness said he got out of subway tunnel then it blew

Now the fire was along way from the subway tunnel which is right down
in the bottom of the basement of the towers so i highly doubt fire could
have reached the subway tunnel in the lower basement levels of the wtc
so if it wasnt fire which triggered this explosion then what the hell was it?

And what about the woman at 2:37 who was exiting the building and
heard someone ushering people away saying "you guys gotta get out
of here its a bomb" No evidence of bombs huh? Nope no evidence what
so ever that could even possibly suggest that bombs where planted in
the towers or anywhere at or near ground zero.

And at 5:22 guys says there where federal agencies down there that do
believe that there was explosive device somewhere else besides the planes
hitting, now i wonder whether they are talking about the towers seems like it
doesnt it?

And at 8:50 The news reporter said "you heard a big explosion before the building fell" then the female witness says " I heard it as i was happening and it's as if you had a hundred of those little back firecrackers and light em all
off at once, and thats what it sounded like, it sounded like the finale of the
fourth of july over the east river. Hmmm wonder what that could possibly be.

And then the bloke at 9:04 who says "i was about five blocks away when i heard explosions three thuds and turned around to see the building we just got out of tip over and fold in on itself." What an amazing coincidince he heard explosions and three thuds and turned around to see the top of the tower tip over and fold in on itself. Nope no evidence of anything here just keep moving along. Please explain this one geniuses.

Core Of Corruption Part 12 of 15 watch?v=Yl2a2owz8mc&feature=related

26 seconds Even firefighter Lui Catchioli or however you spell his name told
people weekly he thought a bomb went of in one of the towers because he
witnessed an explosion

And last but not least at 2:29 the male witness said "as we started to come down as you have heard, the bomb squad was in fire personnel anbulance personnel had entered and about fiteen minutes after they made there entry we heard a boom" The Bomb Squad had entered one of the towers, now what would they being doing risking their lives entering a burning building with people jumping and debris falling from the top of the towers, if they or someone else didnt suspect or know that there where bombs or explosive
devices planted in the building? Or did they just enter the building for the fun
of it?

Split from: Electrical transformer destroyed by... errr... thermite?

Posted By: Gaspode

 

[carlitos]

It's not just the reports of explosions that make me suspicious
it the way the witnesses described them, like describing them as
a tremendous explosion a huge explosion etc so whatever caused
some of these explosion must have released a tremendous amount
of force when it exploded and also i am even more inclined to think
there where explosive devices set inside the towers when witnesses
have described explosion accuring in series.

thecritta, when you read the following quotes, do you also start to wonder whether TRAINS were in the World Trade Center towers 1 and 2?

Nicholas Borrillo -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) on 23rd floor of North Tower:
Then we heard a rumble. We heard it and we felt the whole building shake. It was like being on a train, being in an earthquake. A train is more like it, because with the train you hear the rumbling, and it kind of like moved you around in the hall.

Paul Curran -- Fire Patrolman (F.D.N.Y.) North Tower:
I went back and stood right in front of Eight World Trade Center right by the customs house, and the north tower was set right next to it. Not that much time went by, and all of a sudden the ground just started shaking. It felt like a train was running under my feet.

Joseph Fortis -- E.M.T. (E.M.S.) T]he ground started shaking like a train was coming. You looked up, and I guess -- I don't know, it was one that came down first or two? Which one?

Keith Murphy -- (F.D.N.Y.) [Engine 47] At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out. I hear someone say oh, s___, that was just for the lights out. I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of a sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in a tunnel with the train coming at you.

Timothy Julian -- Firefighter (F.D.N.Y.) [Ladder 118] You know, and I just heard like an explosion and then cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down.

Or, do you now realize that people describe loud sounds using various words that they associate with loud sounds. Boom. Bomb. Much like they describe the rumbling as a train. Or an earthquake.

You do know that there weren't trains and earthquakes, right?

 

[TruthersLie]

Well as far a bombs in the wtc center are concerned i think there
where bombs planted in the towers, ok far enough a jet rammed into
each of the twin towers sending burning jet fuel down the elevator
shafts which may have triggered of some explosions, but as far as i
can tell most of the reports of explosions in the wtc towers where
reported in the lower section and lower floors and in the basement

Great. Please provide any video evidence which shows the clear tell tale sound of CD explosives or HE going off. If you need to look up what demolitions charges sound like.

There should be dozens of (if not hundreds of) vidoes of the collapses where you could hear the explovies.

Find one.

so we all know that there where long burning fires in any of the lower
floors of the towers or any floors other than where the planes impacted
so if there is no fire's in these area's where the explosion where witnessed
then what caused things to explode like bombs going off over a period of
time?

There were fires all over, from spilling and burning jet fuel.

I can think of 10 things in any office building which would explode in fires. Can you?

of course from the Naudet film you can hear things which go boom, boom boom before the towers collapsed... they were bodies hitting the ground. Not explosives.

Can you eliminate ANY of the 10 things which explode in office fires? No? didn't think so.

Ok fair enough it would seem at lot less suspicious to me if there where
a dozen half a dozen explosions in the towers or maybe a little more
considering the towers where on fire, so there must have been a hell
of a lot of things in the towers that could explode with tremendous force
right?

Lets see... electrical transformers, plugged in computers, the compressed air cylinders at the bottom of chairs, industrial cleaning supplies, fuse boxes, refridgerators, fire extinguishers, water lines, hot water heaters, hairspray, cologne, and the list goes on and on.

It's not just the reports of explosions that make me suspicious
it the way the witnesses described them, like describing them as
a tremendous explosion a huge explosion etc so whatever caused
some of these explosion must have released a tremendous amount
of force when it exploded and also i am even more inclined to think
there where explosive devices set inside the towers when witnesses
have described explosion accuring in series.

GREAT. Yet again datamined quotes... try to read the FULL quotations, usually they are describing the collapse of the first tower, or the impact of the jets.

But if there were "tremendous explosion"s then they would easily be on any and all video of the areas. And they would be on all the seismographs. Any explosive above 4 lbs would have registered... yet none is there. 4 lbs of high explovies would have been easily heard by EVERYONE there. Where are they on the video?

As far as we know there where about 100 or more testimonies of explosions
going of inside the towers, can anyone here give me an example of a building
fire where there have been 100 or more reports of explosions going off?

Datamined quotes... as has been pointed out, we can datamine quotes to make it sound like trains were running through the building.
It helps when you READ THE FULL TRANSCRIPTS.


It would help if you actually paid attention to the full transcripts.

 

[thecritta]

thecritta, when you read the following quotes, do you also start to wonder whether TRAINS were in the World Trade Center towers 1 and 2?



Or, do you now realize that people describe loud sounds using various words that they associate with loud sounds. Boom. Bomb. Much like they describe the rumbling as a train. Or an earthquake.

You do know that there weren't trains and earthquakes, right?

From what i understand there was a subway station and a subway tunnel which ran under one of the towers or both idk, which means that there where trains that ran underneath the towers not in the towers duh.

Actually i believe this is it right here

http://www.stevespak.com/gzh5.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...es?q=9/11+wtc+subway+station&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G

http://www.litkicks.com/Images/sept102008.jpg

 

[BigAl]

From what i understand there was a subway station and a subway tunnel which ran under one of the towers or both idk, which means that there where trains that ran underneath the towers not in the towers duh.

Actually i believe this is it right here

http://www.stevespak.com/gzh5.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...es?q=9/11+wtc+subway+station&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G

http://www.litkicks.com/Images/sept102008.jpg

And you also have me confused, are you trying to pass of some of the
sounds of explosions the firefighters heard as a train passing through the
subway tunnel because of the noise trains can make when travelling along
the rails? Please clarify

Metaphor and simile.

 

[beachnut]

Flowing molten metal?

What is the point?

Most? Some of the explosions you talk about off topic above were bodies hitting the ground. Why the off topic junk? Only a few fringe truthers make the mistake of claiming explosives were planted in the WTC; one of the dumbest truth claims based on ignorance and gullibility. The explosives claims exposes the lack of education most of the truth movement suffers from (on many levels and subjects).

There were many transformers in the WTC, and there are many sources for the sparks dropping from the WTC. The transformer debunks the truthers very well by presenting alternate reasons to the brain dead thermite scam, hand-waved by Jones into existence for the dumbest truthers to grab and spread. At least you aren't spreading the delusion of thermite.

 

[carlitos]

And you also have me confused, are you trying to pass of some of the
sounds of explosions the firefighters heard as a train passing through the
subway tunnel because of the noise trains can make when travelling along
the rails? Please clarify

Wow.

No, thecritta, I was demonstrating that people use various words to describe loud sounds. They also use various words to describe rumbling.

Those firefighters were NOT DESCRIBING TRAINS. They were describing the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. They used WORDS like "train" and "earthquake."

Just like the (incomplete, out of context, cherry-picked) quotes you posted used the words "bomb" and "explosion."

It's a simile^WP. People use simile to describe things.

No bombs.

No trains.

No earthquake.

Just 19 bad guys on 4 planes.

Have you been following the news lately? There is this group called "Al Qaeda" that want to use planes to hurt the USA. Really.

 

[Macgyver1968]

Today at work, a pallet with about 25 CRT monitors on it, fell off the top storage rack...falling about 20 feet. It sounded like a bomb went off. Did an explosive actually go off in the warehouse? No...but it sounded like one.

I don't understand how truther don't get similes.

 

[Pinch]

I don't understand how truther don't get similes.

Because they *choose* not to. Getting the jist of a simile means their entire theory...their entire belief system...their entire world would come crashing down on their sharp, pointy little heads. Denial is much, much more than just a river in a truther's world.

 

[EvilBiker]

Today at work, a pallet with about 25 CRT monitors on it, fell off the top storage rack...falling about 20 feet. It sounded like a bomb went off. Did an explosive actually go off in the warehouse? No...but it sounded like one.

I don't understand how truther don't get similes.

Me, I don't understand how truthers can't structure a proper sentence/paragraph/diatribe. But then, I am an admitted grammar nazi.

(...who just used "But" as a sentence beginner. Maybe I'm just a grammar nazi wannabe )

 

[TruthersLie]

Me, I don't understand how truthers can't structure a proper sentence/paragraph/diatribe. But then, I am an admitted grammar nazi.

(...who just used "But" as a sentence beginner. Maybe I'm just a grammar nazi wannabe )

Goodwins law much?


(as a joke... nazi reference, bad sentence... etc...)

 

[triforcharity]

From what i understand there was a subway station and a subway tunnel which ran under one of the towers or both idk, which means that there where trains that ran underneath the towers not in the towers duh.

Actually i believe this is it right here

http://www.stevespak.com/gzh5.jpg

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...es?q=9/11+wtc+subway+station&gbv=2&hl=en&sa=G

http://www.litkicks.com/Images/sept102008.jpg

IIRC, once the second plane hit, the subaways were shut down, in fear that there might be bombs in there to kill evacuating people.

 

[thecritta]

This is what i think take it or leave it

From what we know there where numerous explosions reported in
the wtc towers on numerous floors other than where the planes hit which
appeared to have occured over a period of time, now in order for all these things
on the floors that could explode and in order to get them to explode you would needs
multiple fires burning on multiple floors below where the planes hit and i dont see any
evidence of any fires burning in floors below the impact zone so where are these fires on
all these other floors that caused these thing to explode, and also i think the jet fuel that
shot down the elevator shaft would have burnt of rather quickly maybe causing a few things
to explode.

So in other words everywhere in the towers where there where explosions
reported you would have to have fire to cause these things to explode.

So come on show me evidence of fire's on the lower floors
where quiet a number of explosions where reported?

 

[TJM]

Left it.

 

[thecritta]

Because they *choose* not to. Getting the jist of a simile means their entire theory...their entire belief system...their entire world would come crashing down on their sharp, pointy little heads. Denial is much, much more than just a river in a truther's world.

That's funny haha you accuse us of being the ones in denial this argument
can work both ways, now lets just accuse each other of being in denial
shall we?

 

[TJM]

See post #23.

 

[thecritta]

Left it.

Yep you left it come on now where is all the evidence of
the fires that caused these things to explode on multiple
floors show me evidence of fires burning on multiple
floors in the towers?

 

[TJM]

Yep you left it come on now where is all the evidence of
the fires that caused these things to explode on multiple
floors show me evidence of fires burning on multiple
floors in the towers?

I demand evidence of punctuation first.

 

[beachnut]

Yep you left it come on now where is all the evidence of
the fires that caused these things to explode on multiple
floors show me evidence of fires burning on multiple
floors in the towers?

You were debunked 8 years ago. Why are you so poor at apologizing for terrorists who kill Americans. Where did you get your delusions from?


http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

I love how you disrespect those who died on 911 by exposing your ignorance on what was heard.

Following are 16 WTC first responder descriptions of explosive noises well before the towers collapsed:

"Sounded like bombs" –Keith Murphy
"A huge explosion" –Gerard Gorman
"Sound of popping and exploding" –Alwish Monchery
"Explosions" –William Burns
"Kept hearing these large boom, boom" –Rosario Terranova
"Sounded like explosions." –Anthony Fitzgerald
"Like a shotgun going off" –Mark Meier
"Sounded like explosions" –Wilfred Barriere
"Sounded like bombs, like blockbusters" –John Murray
"You could hear explosions" –Richard Smiouskas
"Sounded like an M-80, that's how loud they were" –Tim Pearson
"Sounds like a shotgun" –Eric Ronningen
"Sounded like an explosion" –John Morabito
"There were lots of explosions" –Jeff Birnbaum
"Under the assumption that the sounds were secondary bombs." –Andrew Rodriguez
"Sounded like bombs. Like a bomb going off. I mean, it was huge." –FDNY Deputy Chief Peter Hayden

It would be dishonest of me to represent these accounts as anything but what they are: descriptions of bodies from the towers hitting the ground. But members of the 9/11 "truth" movement have no such compunction about misrepresenting dozens of other eyewitness accounts.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/whattheyheard

You have delusions backed up by failed opinions, hearsay, and lies. The best 911 truth can do; delusions.

 

[Arus808]

This is what i think take it or leave it

From what we know there where numerous explosions reported in
the wtc towers on numerous floors other than where the planes hit which
appeared to have occured over a period of time, now in order for all these things
on the floors that could explode and in order to get them to explode you would needs
multiple fires burning on multiple floors below where the planes hit and i dont see any
evidence of any fires burning in floors below the impact zone so where are these fires on
all these other floors that caused these thing to explode, and also i think the jet fuel that
shot down the elevator shaft would have burnt of rather quickly maybe causing a few things
to explode.

So in other words everywhere in the towers where there where explosions
reported you would have to have fire to cause these things to explode.

So come on show me evidence of fire's on the lower floors
where quiet a number of explosions where reported?

There these neat little symbols in the English language called punctuation. They are helpful little tools that makes a typed passage, much easier to understand.

Also, you may want to learn that these buildings also had generator floors with transformers; and transformers were also found throughout the building. Ever heard what happens to a transformer when it catches on fire or gets a power surge (like when a plane damages entire floors where electricity flow is suddenly interrupted?)

and like other truthers, you fail at comprehension of what a simile is.