UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

[GeeMack]

???

So, does this make you a liar?

Does your reading comprehension problem make me a liar? Nope. But I will give you the same good advice I gave Rramjet when he demonstrated that he clearly has difficulty understanding what he reads. Why don't you ask the principal there at your high school if there's a remedial reading program you can sign up for? It would likely help you avoid some of the simple communication problems you're having.

Let's try this once more, because you've made a lot of noise here, but in all those words you haven't really been able to support your position. Yes or no, other than your arguments from incredulity and ignorance, do you have any evidence to support your claim that aliens exist? And if you don't like the word "alien", substitute whatever word you like for those Earth based advanced non-human craft-piloting beings you believe exist. And if you don't understand the question, ask any English teacher there at your high school to help you out.

 

[King of the Americas]

No, all you need is a computer and a good video processing software.

So, show me evidence of tampered video and a blimp?

 

[RoboTimbo]

So, show me evidence of tampered video and a blimp?

Is there an "argument from gullibility" fallacy?

 

[GeeMack]

Is there an "argument from gullibility" fallacy?

Maybe not by name, but there certainly is in practice. Reread this 3200+ post thread for... oh... never mind.

 

[Marduk]

other than your arguments from incredulity and ignorance.

I can't help but think theres something missing from that very familiar phrase

more blah blah!

So King, these "insert name here" of yours, could it be possible that they are from the lower level of the fourth dimension ?

 

[Patricio Elicer]

So, show me evidence of tampered video and a blimp?

The actress is Barbara Sicuranza. No blimp, her words: "It's a cgi, not UFO"

 

[King of the Americas]

...And if you don't like the word "alien", substitute whatever word you like for those Earth based advanced non-human craft-piloting beings you believe exist. And if you don't understand the question, ask any English teacher there at your high school to help you out.

I have REPEATEDLY asked that you NOT associate my stance with the term "alien", period.

YOU and other have REPEATEDLY 'ignored' this request. And now you further want to accuse 'me' of mis-understanding...?

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This is it, son. I am not going to explain this to you, again.

The use of the term "alien" is not required, unwarranted, and places upon "U.F.O.'s" an unrealistic expectation. "For there to be ufo's, they of had to travel light years to get here, and use up a lot of energy, they be old, blah blah blah..." When the historical record actually says something quite different.

So STOP.

It is intellectually dishonest, a misrepresentation of the facts at hand, and an attempt to slander the debate. We are not arguing something fictional or impossible.

People have ALWAYS seen, talked about, and featured 'things in the heavens not human' in their media.

Using the term "alien" is literally calling every ancient historian a liar.

For the last time, stop trying to misrepresent the discussion.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I have REPEATEDLY asked that you NOT associate my stance with the term "alien", period.

YOU and other have REPEATEDLY 'ignored' this request. And now you further want to accuse 'me' of mis-understanding...?

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This is it, son. I am not going to explain this to you, again.

The use of the term "alien" is not required, unwarranted, and places upon "U.F.O.'s" an unrealistic expectation. "For there to be ufo's, they of had to travel light years to get here, and use up a lot of energy, they be old, blah blah blah..." When the historical record actually says something quite different.

So STOP.

It is intellectually dishonest, a misrepresentation of the facts at hand, and an attempt to slander the debate. We are not arguing something fictional or impossible.

People have ALWAYS seen, talked about, and featured 'things in the heavens not human' in their media.

Using the term "alien" is literally calling every ancient historian a liar.

For the last time, stop trying to misrepresent the discussion.

What is it exactly that you are campaigning for them to be if not alien?

 

[King of the Americas]

Is there an "argument from gullibility" fallacy?

No but talking about it is better (for you) than examining the video in question...

 

[King of the Americas]

What is it exactly that you are campaigning for them to be if not alien?

"Non-Human"...

I'd need more evidence before I went further.

 

[Marduk]

When the historical record actually says something quite different.
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I am amazed that you have the front to call other people intellectually dishonest when you have made this statement above repeatedly even after it was shown to you to be false several times and after several requests for you to support that claim went completely unanswered because you are incapable of providing any evidence to support your "belief"

you sir are a liar
and not a very good one
at least Rramjet is consistent, he unlike you actually has some of my respect, youve got nothing.

 

[RoboTimbo]

"Non-Human"...

I'd need more evidence before I went further.

What level of evidence brought you to "non-human"?

 

[Nonpareil]

What level of evidence brought you to "non-human"?

The same level of evidence that led him to believe that these aliens built Puma Punku - i.e. none.

 

[King of the Americas]

What level of evidence brought you to "non-human"?

"...right angle turns that would kill human pilots..."

 

[Marduk]

What level of evidence brought you to "non-human"?

the bible of course, hes already proven he doesnt understand anything in it, so thats a perfectly a good source for him to source any evidence he needs to support his delusional world view from


So King, "historical record" ???
evidence ?
or just another baloney unsupported statement from you like all the others ?

btw you have inadvertently forgotten to answer lots of questions put to you in this thread here
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5371348#post5371348
what would you think of a person who makes claims then fails to support them and then runs away crying because they can't ?

 

[JCL]

I have REPEATEDLY asked that you NOT associate my stance with the term "alien", period.

YOU and other have REPEATEDLY 'ignored' this request. And now you further want to accuse 'me' of mis-understanding...?

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This is it, son. I am not going to explain this to you, again.

The use of the term "alien" is not required, unwarranted, and places upon "U.F.O.'s" an unrealistic expectation. "For there to be ufo's, they of had to travel light years to get here, and use up a lot of energy, they be old, blah blah blah..." When the historical record actually says something quite different.

So STOP.

It is intellectually dishonest, a misrepresentation of the facts at hand, and an attempt to slander the debate. We are not arguing something fictional or impossible.

People have ALWAYS seen, talked about, and featured 'things in the heavens not human' in their media.

Using the term "alien" is literally calling every ancient historian a liar.

For the last time, stop trying to misrepresent the discussion.

The discussion that started with…

I stated that I would present the evidence, not only for UFOs, but also for “aliens”…

snipped for brevity

Seems aliens are entirely appropriate to discuss here. But I guess that does not really further the discussion with you, please forgive my snarkiness.

So what is your stance?

The only coherent stance I have read is that you think an eye witness to geese saw something non-alien but UFO’ish. And this stance is based on your, admitted, lack of experience with geese, and willingness to ignore first person accounts.

Or it is:

You can’t identify some things in the sky thus … (please fill inhere)

 

[Belz...]

"Non-Human"...

I'd need more evidence before I went further.

Yes, evidence that they are anything other than what we explain them with.

 

[Belz...]

"...right angle turns that would kill human pilots..."

That's because you're assuming that they're craft of some sort.

 

[Astrophotographer]

"...right angle turns that would kill human pilots..."

Present ACTUAL non-anecdotal evidence that UFOs have conducted such maneuvers. Just because a UFO appears to make a "right angle turn" does not mean the source actually did this.

 

[RoboTimbo]

"...right angle turns that would kill human pilots..."

What level of evidence convinced you that right angle turns were being made by airborne craft piloted by beings, human or otherwise, that would kill humans?

Note that I make 4 right angle turns coming to work every day.