9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[TSR]

Interesting interview with holocaust believer Deborah Lipstadt:

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Ummmm. No

Just like Charlie Sheen's get together with the president, this "interview" never happened.

Free hint: how is her name spelled throughout?


You *really* like non-existent sources, don't you?
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[Belz...]

It's so easy to debunk lefty NWO-ers ('Skeptic' I believe is the new code word):

Careful, there. Your paranoia is showing. You might wanna zip that up.

 

[dafydd]

 

[Uzzy]

Given that he is once again repeating the lie that Hitler was forced into a war, and that the British started mass bombing, something that others and myself proved wrong some time ago, I think this has finally gone off topic.

 

[Praktik]

Given that he is once again repeating the lie that Hitler was forced into a war, and that the British started mass bombing, something that others and myself proved wrong some time ago, I think this has finally gone off topic.

Well, there was an attack on berlin prior to the mass bombings of London in the Battle of Britain. It was more shocking psychologically than anything else as Germany was promised in speeches to remain unscathed, especially Berlin.

I forget what the casualties were but they were pretty low (less than 50 in any case I think, if i remember correctly from The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich). In any event, it did figure in the calculations of Goering and Hitler to change strategies from eliminating the RAF, to making a statement of sorts in an continual bombing of London. This was the critical error that lost them the Battle of Britain.

It would be incorrect to say that London did "mass bombings" first, but they did strike at Berlin before London was hit hard.

That being said, I don't see why Berlin was off-limits. And one shouldn't claim that there was any equivalency between the damage in Berlin and subsequently in London.

 

[Simon39759]

The Nazis had been practicing mass bombing of metropolitan centers as part of their strategy right from the beginning of the war anyway.
London was just not a priority target compared to the airfield.

 

[Matthew Best]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8382457.stm

The man who smuggled himself into Auschwitz

He talked to Jewish prisoners but says they rarely spoke of their previous life, instead they were focused on the hell they were living and the work they were forced to do in factories outside the camp.

"There were nearly three million human beings worked to death in different factories," says Mr Avey. "They knew at that rate they'd last about five months.

He says he would ask where people he'd met previously had gone and he would be told they'd "gone up the chimney".

"It was so impersonal. Auschwitz was evil, everything about it was wrong."

 

[9/11-investigator]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8382457.stm

The man who smuggled himself into Auschwitz

Now 91 and living in Derbyshire, he says he wanted to witness what was going on inside and find out the truth about the gas chambers, so he could tell others. He knows he took "a hell of a chance".

So he let's himself lock up in Auschwitz in order to 'investigate' and 64 years later he decides to report about it. Uhhu.

"It was pretty ghastly at night, you got this terrible stench," he says.

Yes very good observation, the hygienic circumstances were abominal with fatal consequences: typhus.

"There were nearly three million human beings worked to death in different factories," says Mr Avey. "They knew at that rate they'd last about five months.

He doesn't even try to get his story in line with the official story, which is 1 million gassed, but this dementing chap is talking about 3 million and counting being worked to death. Mr Avey needs a different text writer.

He says he would ask where people he'd met previously had gone and he would be told they'd "gone up the chimney".

And this is all the evidence we get: hearsay.

He arranged for cigarettes, chocolate and a letter from Susana to be sent to him and smuggled them to his friend.

No need to smuggle anything. You could send parcels to the Auschwitz camp and expect them to arrive.

Mr Lobethall traded two packs of Players cigarettes in return for getting his shoes resoled. It helped save his life when thousands perished or were murdered on the notorious death marches out of the camps in winter in 1945.

Interesting detail is that the prisoners had the choice to either stay in the camp and wait for Soviet 'liberation' or join the Germans in going to the West. Most chose to join the Germans.

He admits some may find it hard to believe and acknowledges it was "foolhardy".

That's right, mr Avey, your '3 million people worked to death' is 'hard to believe', to put it mildly.

 

[TSR]

Yes very good observation, the hygienic circumstances were abominal with fatal consequences: typhus.

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Strange thing, innit, that so very few death recorded in the Death Books list "typhus" as the cause of death, then?
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He doesn't even try to get his story in line with the official story, which is 1 million gassed, but this dementing chap is talking about 3 million and counting being worked to death. Mr Avey needs a different text writer.

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In what way are these two inconsistent on the face of it given the wee fact that Avey was obviously in no position whatever to make more than guesses based on second hand information?
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And this is all the evidence we get: hearsay.

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Ignoring your lie about "all the evidence," how about we go back to talking about you relying on a report that was never written and an interview which never took place?
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No need to smuggle anything. You could send parcels to the Auschwitz camp and expect them to arrive.

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You can document this assertion, right?
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Interesting detail is that the prisoners had the choice to either stay in the camp and wait for Soviet 'liberation' or join the Germans in going to the West. Most chose to join the Germans.

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And that they were told that the Russians *would* kill them all had nothing to with this "choice," hmmmn?
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That's right, mr Avey, your '3 million people worked to death' is 'hard to believe', to put it mildly.

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So don't believe it -- you have acknowledged that there are mnore authoritative estimates from sources far more likely to have the ability to make such estimates.

Or are you setting up for a "falsus in uno" claim? You may want to consider your own performance in this thread before you do...
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[carlitos]

Please God let this thread die. I apologize for bumping it but it's only been a few hours.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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Strange thing, innit, that so very few death recorded in the Death Books list "typhus" as the cause of death, then?
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How many are listed as gassed? Zero.

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In what way are these two inconsistent on the face of it given the wee fact that Avey was obviously in no position whatever to make more than guesses based on second hand information?
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He made these statements during the interview. Read the interview again.

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You can document this assertion, right?
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The possibility of receiving parcels and even of sending mail was discussed and documented earlier in this thread, together with facilities like hospitals, cinema's, swimming pool's, theater's, brothels, etc., etc.

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And that they were told that the Russians *would* kill them all had nothing to with this "choice," hmmmn?
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But I thought that the Germans did the killing? You contradict yourself.

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So don't believe it -- you have acknowledged that there are mnore authoritative estimates from sources far more likely to have the ability to make such estimates.

Nobody EVER made the assertion that 3 million persons were worked to death in Auschwitz. Except for you that is.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Please God let this thread die. I apologize for bumping it but it's only been a few hours.

So what are you afraid of, Carlitos? That your belief system will be smashed? That your world view will be shattered, the world view that your club represented the good guys?

I feel your pain.

P.S. Long live the Swiss, a nation with a future, unlike the US.

 

[Nonpareil]

Okay, guys, I know it's tempting, but please please PLEASE no one respond. Let it die. Do. Not. Feed.

 

[TSR]

How many are listed as gassed? Zero.

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And...? I'm not the one claiming that the Death Books are complete for the time periods that they cover.

Deniers are.

And at the same time they claim the majority of deaths are from typhus, which is directly contradicted by their "authoritative" source.
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He made these statements during the interview. Read the interview again.

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I did. And it is obvious to anyone who thinks about it for a while that he could not possibly be speaking from first hand experience, or from research with primary sources.
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The possibility of receiving parcels and even of sending mail was discussed and documented earlier in this thread, together with facilities like hospitals, cinema's, swimming pool's, theater's, brothels, etc., etc.

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All I've seen is unsupported claims to this effect. Do feel free to cite this "docuimentation" regarding parcels reliably being recieved by the inmates of the death camp.

And once again, your attempt to distort history, by pretending that Auschwitz was a single camp, whose facilities were equally available to all including all inmates is noted

Why do you llie like this?
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But I thought that the Germans did the killing? You contradict yourself.

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Really? Where have I ever stated (where has *any* normative historian) that the Germans did all the killing?

Besides that, we are not talking about killing, but the threat of being killed. And where would those rumours have come from, hmmmmn?
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Nobody EVER made the assertion that 3 million persons were worked to death in Auschwitz. Except for you that is.

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You can actually quote me to this effect?

So, Avey was wrong about a detail he of which had no way of having definitive knowledge. Your point?

And when can we get back to your lies about "all the evidence," your reliance on a report that was never written and quoting an interview which never took place?
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[dudalb]

Okay, guys, I know it's tempting, but please please PLEASE no one respond. Let it die. Do. Not. Feed.

This thread really, really, needs to be put out of it's misery.
BY giving him attention, you guys are giving the Neo Nazi Jerk just what he wants.
And I admit it took me much longer then it should have for me to understand this.

 

[dafydd]

Please put this thread to sleep now,it's suffering.

 

[9/11-investigator]

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And...? I'm not the one claiming that the Death Books are complete for the time periods that they cover.

Deniers are.

No they don't. Read this article on these Death Books (Sterbebuecher), which were found in 1989 in the USSR:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p265_Weber.html

These books contain detailed death certificates about 69,000 people who died in Auschwitz. These books are not complete, some volumes are missing, so the real death toll probably was higher, maybe in the 100,000 range. That's a lot of people, enough to explain the horror stories. But nowhere near the alleged 1.1 million deaths. What is so interesting about these Sterbebuecher is that many people died who were obviously too old to have worked. The claim was that the 'useless eaters' were put to death immediately on arrival while that the strong ones were worked to death.

That story belongs in the dustbin.

 

[9/11-investigator]

This thread really, really, needs to be put out of it's misery.

This is how losers talk. A few pages ago you admitted that you stayed on in order to prevent me from claiming victory. Dudalb now throws the towel in the ring.

BY giving him attention, you guys are giving the Neo Nazi Jerk just what he wants.

I have told you several times ago that I voted for the Jew Geert Wilders, who now leads the largest party in the Netherlands. Neo-nazis don't vote for Jews.

What is your definition again of a 'Neo-Nazi' anno 2009? Let me guess: anyone who refuses to give his country away to invading hordes?

 

[Nonpareil]

TSR, dudalb, Matthew, Simon, everyone not on his ignore list - DO NOT RESPOND.

 

[TSR]

What is so interesting about these Sterbebuecher is that many people died who were obviously too old to have worked.

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Nothing in your source supports this lie.
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That story belongs in the dustbin.

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Since you have snipped the rest of my comments, shall we assume you concede those points, and will stop lying about them?
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