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Split Thread 'Nose-out' footage

fitzgibbon said:
That's where the likes of me come in. I've been cutting and switching for a dog's age. Put me in front of almost any flavour of Avid (except DS), Final Cut Pro, Grass Valley 100 & 200-series, Ampex Vista & Century, Ross, CDL, CMX, Grass and Sony controllers and tag them with any VTR from an AVR-3 to a DVW-500 (including MII I might add), and I'll fill in the blanks.

There's a walloping big elephant in Ace's Avid room (aside from the obvious one) and I've only shared that with Pomeroo. Will he ever bump into it? I doubt it. But it's fun to watch him and his minions not recognise it. :D
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True. It really comes down to those of us who know the difficulty scratching our heads at the thought of doing this live with out really, really, really obvious problems. Not the ones that Ace believes exists, but a plane actually moving far up and far down in a way that violates physics. Ace has never been able to show this, and can only point out things that are more easily explained as camera and signal malfunctions.

It is something that any compositor can see even if they cannot explain it in a way that most people could understand.
 
Algebra34 said:
I never said no one died. I said the planes weren't identifed. I'm sorry. I didn't know planes had deoxyribonucleic acid to identify.
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No, but they can do metalurgical mapping. Plus, not to mention that engine serial numbers, wheel SNs, you name it, can and were used to identify the planes.

But, of course, you will handwave them away.
 
TruthersLie said:
are you really that ignorant?
Lets see why would the squibs be different?
you have a floor of a building collapsing pushing ALL Of the air out of the area....

why would the dust from the impact be "shaped like a bullet?" OH because the tower was hit by a 100 ton bullet (a passenger jet at 500 mph).

<facepalm>
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Indeed,
the 'squib' dust exits a window and encounters essentially dead air and thus it fans out as would be expected.

The dust, smoke and debris exiting with the engine are all neccessarily behind the engine itself which is moving at 100 MPH(IIRC) as it comes through the side of the building and carries with it a column of moving air as it punches through it(the air that is). The trailing dust and smoke are within that column of moving air thus they follow the engine in much the same manner that dust or paper will follow a car as it passes by.



Please provide the video showing this outrageous claim. No not the massively zoomed image which shows a black shape which isn't quite the same as the nose of a jet.

My videos (the three of them, nose in engine out and Alan Lawson) show you what hit the towers and what came out the other side.
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In my first foray onto AE911T they were touting a video from the street. It starts with Al Roker giving his people on the street bit and then when the impacts occur it pans upward. I forget just what we were supposed to take from this but it invo0lved AE911T telling readers that an image showed this or that, IIRC it was to indicate that there was no plane visible.

I just about fell off my chair. I knew it was Roker because it was a heavy set black man doing the typical Roker bit. The video was so compressed and recompressed that the face of the man was a homogeneous light brown, basically no features at all. same for the faces of bystanders and details of buildings in the background , but here was Gage et al telling me they had enough detail to identify something a long way off.

:dl::bs:
 
texasjack said:
yes, in their crazy little world, nothing has been debunked.

1) the planes never hit the towers because the parts were never identified.

2) nobody has debunked plane swapping, so that's a possibility.

3) nobody has ruled out strange powerful unicorns, so you can't cross that out.

4) cloned aliens.

5) a hurricane.

6-infinity) you fill in the blank.
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mothra
 
twinstead said:
Damn. We all know no planers are idiots, and debating them is pointless, but it's like a train wreck. I can't look away.
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It funny and perplexing,how can anyone be so stupid? Are these people allowed to breed and vote?
 
triforcharity said:
No, but they can do metalurgical mapping. Plus, not to mention that engine serial numbers, wheel SNs, you name it, can and were used to identify the planes.

But, of course, you will handwave them away.
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can you provide a link corroborating this?

i want the smack down to be a hard one. I honestly only need one quote from one FBI or some other govt. representative to state this..and then I'm convinced.
 
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Im on my MIL's computer, and wont be home till sometime tomorrow.

I will certainly post them, and PM them to you.
 
bardamu said:
All the more surprising that at least four TV correspondents reporting live from close to the WTC said the South Tower just exploded. They had no idea a plane had hit till they were told by the studio or by people going round saying they'd seen a plane (Harley Guy?).






He's already told you:



In other words, he doesn't start with his conclusion then go looking for evidence to back it up.




That's a good point. It turns out that when the second plane hit the South Tower ALL the TV cameras were on the other side of the WTC and none of them were pointing at the impacted wall. Chopper 5 was positioned at around 90 degrees to the approach, but still slightly to the north.




It makes you wonder why there's a market for those 'passport holders' you see for sale to keep your passport in pristine condition while you're on your travels.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/al_suqami_passportcover.jpg/al_suqami_passportcover-full.jpg




I'd expect the insurance companies to examine the wreckage and identify the parts before forking out for four write-offs. From what I can gather, the airline companies and victims families were compensated directly by the government and no insurance claims were made. Does anybody have more information on that subject? Did Silverstein's case involve identification of aircraft parts?




Epic shift of burden of proof.
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In this video note the way the Naudet brother gets the blank uninteresting wall of WTC2 very close to centre screen and apparently not concentrating his atention on the burning WTC1 which is in shot but somewhat on on the periphery. Even when the jet starts to roar behind and above him he is not distracted from his rapt filming of the blank undamaged but imminently to be hit face of WTC2. (I would be running for my life at that point) I find this shot HIGHLY suspect. He clearly KNEW where the jet was going to hit. (or where they planned to inject the image if you are a no-planer) This really would explain the cameraman''s lack of action until the explosion ocurs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUT7yup-YIg&NR=1 Naudet 2

PS click through the video from 45-47 seconds and see if you see anything odd like missing wings.
 
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bill we have been over this. You are wrong about where he is focused. The dead center of the y axis is RIGHT DEAD SET between the two towers. He is not focused on WTC2, WTC1 IS NOT in the periphery.

Stop repeating this lie. I have shown you this. Look at your own video for gods sake. The Y AXIS cuts RIGHT DOWN THROUGH THE TWO TOWERS!!!!

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
bill we have been over this. You are wrong about where he is focused. The dead center of the y axis is RIGHT DEAD SET between the two towers. He is not focused on WTC2, WTC1 IS NOT in the periphery.

Stop repeating this lie. I have shown you this. Look at your own video for gods sake. The Y AXIS cuts RIGHT DOWN THROUGH THE TWO TOWERS!!!!

TAM:)
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The best thing to do is to allow the concerned vitizens who are no doubt looking in to make their own decision on that. My intuition tells me that he is there to film WTC2. The undamaged builing.
 
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bill smith said:
The best thing to do is to allow the concerned vitizens who are no doubt looking in to maake their own decision on that. My intuition tells me that he is there to film WTC2. The undamaged builing.
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What your opinion is, is not relevant to your lying on where the focus of the video is. You made claims that the video focuses its center on WTC2, and leaves WTC1 to the periphery. Both of these things are lies. Please retract them or remain for all (debunkers, truthers, and lurkers) to see that you are a BLATANT liar.

TAM
 
fitzgibbon said:
bill smith said:
fitzgibbon said:
A sterling example of multiple-generations of decompression/recompression uprezzed from a low-resolution analogue source.
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I will look timorrow but I think that you are horribly exposed in what you said earlier..
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BTT for MIA bill smith
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bill! We missed your vaunted company hier soir even though you promised to grace us with your presence.

No matter! You're here now. So......got knowledge?
 
bill smith said:
The best thing to do is to allow the concerned vitizens who are no doubt looking in to make their own decision on that. My intuition tells me that he is there to film WTC2. The undamaged builing.
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um, when it comes to truth and facts, one's intuition is worthless.
 
you know, it would be nice if the intelligent truthers would come to JREF. but they are too smart then to debate us.
 
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