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Perfect Putdown for a holocaust denier...

It seems to me that if they really wanted to test Irving, they would ask him if he'd be willing to sit in a room filling up with Zyklon-B.
 
Brainster said:
It seems to me that if they really wanted to test Irving, they would ask him if he'd be willing to sit in a room filling up with Zyklon-B.
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With a nice long trip in a cattle carriage to "resettlement" first. No food, no water, no toilet, no (little) ventilation along with 'wall-to-wall' support from his admirers.
 
Irving is detestable, but that really was a lame joke and a wasted opportunity. I'm not a fan of practical jokes as a rule, but a joke that would've highlighted Irving's hypocrisy or something that had a "hoist by his own petard" flavor would have been a lot more satisfying. It almost felt as if Irving was in on the joke and played (cough) along (cough, cough).

Now maybe if we had seen the aftermath of the stunt where an enraged Irving tries to report Safran to building security or the police but can't get anyone to believe him, then that might have been interesting and amusing.
 
JohnG said:
Irving is detestable, but that really was a lame joke and a wasted opportunity. I'm not a fan of practical jokes as a rule, but a joke that would've highlighted Irving's hypocrisy or something that had a "hoist by his own petard" flavor would have been a lot more satisfying. It almost felt as if Irving was in on the joke and played (cough) along (cough, cough).

Now maybe if we had seen the aftermath of the stunt where an enraged Irving tries to report Safran to building security or the police but can't get anyone to believe him, then that might have been interesting and amusing.
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I wondered about whether or not Irving was in on the joke, but can't imagine he would go along with it.

I sometimes find Safran annoying, but I just thought this was brilliant.

I'm not trying to spam Safran everywhere, just thought I'd share.
 
I don't get it. Irving denies the holocaust happened, so someone gasses him. How is that in any way a clever comeback or "perfect putdown" to his views? Hell, I thought letting him ramble on prior to that undermined him far better than some puerile prank.
 
Sledge said:
I don't get it. Irving denies the holocaust happened, so someone gasses him. How is that in any way a clever comeback or "perfect putdown" to his views? Hell, I thought letting him ramble on prior to that undermined him far better than some puerile prank.
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Did you hear what John yelled through the glass at him?: "If you tell anyone I did this, I'll deny it!!!"

He also did let him ramble on for a while as well.
 
Yeah, I heard. It wasn't clever or funny. It in no way refuted anything the man said, or made him look stupid. If anything, it played into Irving's hands. Now he has footage he can show to people who believe him, and say "Look at this. This is the sort of person we're up against. You sit down with them to try and have a rational debate and they gas you. But they'll call US the monsters."
 
Sledge said:
Yeah, I heard. It wasn't clever or funny. It in no way refuted anything the man said, or made him look stupid. If anything, it played into Irving's hands. Now he has footage he can show to people who believe him, and say "Look at this. This is the sort of person we're up against. You sit down with them to try and have a rational debate and they gas you. But they'll call US the monsters."
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Why would John Safran need to refute anything Irving says? Anyone who believes Irving isn't going to be watching John Safran's little show. Irving makes himself look stupid by saying the things that he says, he doesn't need anyone else to do it for him.

I just thought that for John,(whose Grandmother watched her whole family being killed by Nazis) gassing Irving the world's most prominent holocaust denier, was a fitting response.
 
RHolmes said:
Not sure I liked the stunt, but the film brilliantly showed what a vile, shallow creep Irving is.
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Yeah, I have to agree. I am shallow, so I laughed. But the stunt struck me as a bit silly.
 
Sledge said:
Yeah, that totally shows who the better man is. :rolleyes:
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Maybe it's because I've been watching John Safran and listening to him on the radio for years that I am very familiar with his style of humour.

He isn't about proving himself to be the "Better Man". He is a petty, vindictive, whining, self loathing Jew. That is his schtick. He doesn't care if you disagree with what he does, he just does things his own way. Sometimes he offends people and sometimes he is hilarious, sometimes both.
 
I laughed. A lot.

Realistically - it is usually better to counter people with evidence and reason, but when you have someone like Irving, who's spent the majority of his adult life stumping for Nazi Germany, and his followers, who would cry about "MSM bigotry" even if Safran turned up with a tray of tea and cakes and started the interview with "So, David, why are you so awesome?", why not just make them the butt of a bad-taste joke? You'll never get through to them, and if you can't be a jerk to David Irving, who can you be a jerk to?
 
The Youtube video gives "An error has occured please try again later".

Why can't someone just say what the heck is in the video in plain english?
 
Essentially, Safran performs a fake radio interview with Irving (who does not appear to be in on the joke), much of it involving bizarre discussions about which races Irving feels it is OK to find attractive. They then discuss Auschwitz, and Irving trots out his old lines about more people dying in Ted Kennedy's car than in the camps at Auschwitz, which he compares to Disneyland.

Safran then pauses the interview for a commercial break and walks out, saying he's taking a break. He then releases an unidentified gas into the interview room, telling Irving through the glass: "If anyone asks me about this, I'll deny it!"
 
Brainache said:
Maybe it's because I've been watching John Safran and listening to him on the radio for years that I am very familiar with his style of humour.

He isn't about proving himself to be the "Better Man". He is a petty, vindictive, whining, self loathing Jew. That is his schtick. He doesn't care if you disagree with what he does, he just does things his own way. Sometimes he offends people and sometimes he is hilarious, sometimes both.
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You presented this as "the perfect putdown for a holocause denier." It isn't. Irving's own words work so well there's no need for a putdown, certainly not for such an asinine, juvenile "joke." I don't know what else there is to say. It wasn't funny, it wasn't clever, it made Irving look sane by comparison. I guess as I disagree with Safran, I should gas him.
 
I didn't find it particularly clever either to be honest. Irving still had time to poop his drivel, and that was enough for him.

The best putdown for Holocaust deniers is still to ignore them altogether.
 
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