9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Toke]

9/11's ignore list is not the worst place to be, the smoothies are good.

 

[Nonpareil]

Astro Teacher's wasn't too bad either, but he's gone now.

Anyway. I haven't seen anything new from 9/11-investigator for a few pages. I think it's safe to assume that he's out of ammunition.

 

[Simon39759]

Astro Teacher's wasn't too bad either, but he's gone now.

Anyway. I haven't seen anything new from 9/11-investigator for a few pages. I think it's safe to assume that he's out of ammunition.

Indeed, in the last few pages he seem to have devolved even further from his initial flawed arguments to 'it looks like a lawn-mower' to just putting people on ignore.
I suspect his goal might have been to put everybody on ignore and then pretend himself "victorious" because he could no longer find any rebuttal for his "arguments".

Of course, posting that, we might very well induce a whole new round of denialism to show-us up...

 

[9/11-investigator]

BTW - investigator, here is the picture you claim was faked, in perspective

[qimg]http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/auschwitz/images/ftp.py?camps/auschwitz/images//k5-cremation-pits.jpg[/qimg]

Trojan posts again the only picture from the entire 'holocaust' that could be (but not necessarily must be) interpreted in line with the official story as planted by the victors in Nuremberg, namely that 4 million people or so were gassed.

However when you enlarge the picture you get this:
http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/WalendyA-krema3.jpg

Clearly the picture is doctored 'evidence'.

Trojan probably thinks that if he posts this picture often enough then magically at some point it will turn into evidence.

 

[Nonpareil]

Trojan posts again the only picture from the entire 'holocaust' that could be interpreted in line with the official story as planted by the victors in Nuremberg, namely that 4 million people or so were gassed.

This is by no means the only picture.

However when you enlarge the picture you get this:
http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/WalendyA-krema3.jpg

Clearly the picture is doctored 'evidence'.

No.

Trojan probably thinks that if he posts this picture often enough then magically at some point it will turn into evidence.

It's already evidence.

I mean, Jesus, 9/11-investigator. We've been over this at least five times already! This photograph is not doctored, nor is it the only piece of photographic evidence for the death camps. Stop pretending that you have debunked anything. You haven't.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I am now moving toward the position that are we are doing is giving 9/11 Investigator what he wants: attention.
In the 70 plus pages of discussion his creditbility...what little he ever had..has been ripped to pieces. Anybody who buys his into his crap is not going to be kept from it from further discussion.
Just ignore the bigoted so and so. Maybe he will go away.

Reading between the lines our Zionist friend dudalb shows his uneasiness with the lack of progress my opponents make in presenting their case for the 'holocaust'. Every 10 pages or so Trojan posts again his Krema V picture and that's about it, others keep whining about the credentials of Krege. The only progress my opponents makes is that their tone becomes slightly more civilized, not because of growth of inner civility but because they understand it works against them. After all who believes a foming insulting and shouting mob?

I consider dudalb, who never ever contributed anything of substance to this thread (no pictures, documents, arguments), as an assets because he let's others look into his cards. Always a losing strategy.

Dudalb tries to end the discussion, another losing strategy. I'm not going anywhere, unless of course I should be banned, which would be a shortcut to victory after this thread has grown into page 76.

 

[Nonpareil]

Reading between the lines

TRANSLATION: Making **** up

our Zionist friend

Again, pretty sure he explicitly stated that he was not Jewish and that you would label him as such anyway. If I'm incorrect on this, dudalb, please feel free to let me know.

dudalb shows his uneasiness with the lack of progress my opponents make in presenting their case for the 'holocaust'.

No, he shows his disgust with the lack of progress that you have made in presenting your case against the Holocaust.

Every 10 pages or so Trojan posts again his Krema V picture and that's about it,

You might have missed every single freaking post for the last twenty or so pages. And anyway, you have yet to debunk the photo.

others keep whining about the credentials of Krege.

Which you are unable to defend.

The only progress my opponents makes is that their tone becomes slightly more civilized, not because of growth of inner civility but because they understand it works against them.

You are accusing us of argument ad hominem? YOU? The one who previously said:

Pure_Argent is too stupid to understand his own links

The hypocrisy... is staggering. And the falsity. The tone here has become no more civil towards you than it has ever been. I, for one, don't feel the need to treat you with respect. You haven't shown any. Why should you receive any.

After all who believes a foming insulting and shouting mob?

A statement that you should take to heart.

I consider dudalb, who never ever contributed anything of substance to this thread (no pictures, documents, arguments),

Argument ad hominem. And lies.

as an assets because he let's others look into his cards. Always a losing strategy.

What?

Dudalb tries to end the discussion, another losing strategy.

No. Again, it's a pity truce, not one brought on by imminent defeat. We simply don't have the heart to continue beating you any more. It would be like kicking a spaniel.

I'm not going anywhere, unless of course I should be banned, which would be a shortcut to victory after this thread has grown into page 76.

You would consider being banned victory? You are one weird little conspiracy theorist.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Winston Churchill made the speech in parliament in front of witnesses (which was not wired for sound) and the British Council engaged Norman Shelly to record the speech for public broadcast. The words in the speeches belong to Churchill.

That's all I wanted to hear. So you admit that one of the most passionate and famous speeches by Churchill was not spoken by Churchill at all. Everybody was fooled that it was Churchill who spoke these words. Even until this day only very few know that it was the actor Norman Shelley indeed who spoke them. Just read the hundreds of youtube comments, nobody knows. You probably understand why I made you admit it, namely to show that a tape is not a proof at all of the identity of the speaker. Many comedians can do perfect impersonations of almost anybody. No speech synthesis technology necessary.

Himmler gave his 4Oct43 speech infront of witnesses and recorded his own speech. We also have Himmler's hand written notes notes for the speech.
You can obtain copies from the national archives (NA RG 238, PS-1919 -- text; Record Group 242, 229 -- sound recording.)

Let's assume for a moment that both the tape and notes are for real. Revisionists admit that Himmler often had his speeches phonographically recorded.

Are you saying some one faked both Himmlers voice and his handwriting in his notes? As David Irving said in 1994 "I agree, Himmler is admitting what I said happened to the 600,000. But this is the important point, nowhere does Himmler say he is killing millions".

I am not saying anything. I am anxious to learn something from you. You claim that the official holocaust story is true and that Himmler's Posen speech is proof of it. Fine.

However, you are going to play the "ausrotten" game. Look the word up in a 1940's german dictionary. It means exterminate. From Himmler's speech....

No, I am not playing any game at all, I am just listening to your arguments. You are already anticipating my arguments before making some of your own!

...wir wollen nicht am Schluss, weil wir den Bazillus ausrotten, an dem Bazillus krank werden und sterben.

Are you suggesting Himmler was "re-locating" bacteria to eastern camps instead of "eliminating" bacteria? Try to buy a German dictionary. It will help you in your future posts.

Thanks for your advice, but since I lived many years in Germany I'm more fluent in German than in English, I don't need a German dictionary. Again I am asking you: discuss why you think that the Posen speech, assuming it took place (and it probably did) is proof for the 'official story' (although I'm afraid that that bacteria phrase is about it). I must remind the casual reader that the Krema V picture and the Posen speech are about the best 'evidence' the holocaustians can come up with in support for the alleged mega-crime.

PS. I didn't need a calculator.

I know you are a smart guy and that you wouldn't dissapoint me.

 

[Nonpareil]

That's all I wanted to hear. So you admit that one of the most passionate and famous speeches by Churchill was not spoken by Churchill at all. Everybody was fooled that it was Churchill who spoke these words. Even until this day only very few know that it was the actor Norman Shelley indeed who spoke them. You probably understand why I made you admit it, namely that a tape is not a proof at all of the identity of the speaker.

But it is proof that the speech was made. And Himmler's own notes prove that he wrote the speech.
In any case, what are you insinuating? That they had an actor speak for Himmler when he made the speech to his SS officers?

Let's assume for a moment that botht the tape and notes are for real.

I am not saying anything. I am anxious to learn something from you. You claim that the official holocaust story is true and that Himmler's Posen speech is proof of it. Fine.

Again I am asking you: discuss why you think that the Posen speech, assuming it took place (and it probably did) is proof for the 'official story' (although I'm afraid that that bacteria phrase is about it). I must remind the casual reader that the Krema V picture and the Posen speech are about the best 'evidence' the holocaustians can come up with in support for their alleged mega-crime.

Because it directly refers to the eradication of the Jewish people. What evidence do you have that refutes the statements made in Himmler's speech?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Trojan posts again the only picture from the entire 'holocaust' that could be (but not necessarily must be) interpreted in line with the official story as planted by the victors in Nuremberg, namely that 4 million people or so were gassed.

Well apart from these other photos
http://www.melrc.com/treblinka-grave-01.jpg
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/treblinka/images/traces of the treblinka camp.jpg
http://www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/o8.jpg

However when you enlarge the picture you get this:http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/WalendyA-krema3.jpg
Clearly the picture is doctored 'evidence'.

The contrast is weak because there are heaps of dead bodies with the same skin tone in an enlargement from 35mm film. There is no problem with other bodies in the same shot. Next question.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Well apart from these other photos
http://www.melrc.com/treblinka-grave-01.jpg

I am deeply shocked by the manner in how these what looks like wooden shelfs came to their tragic end.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/ar/treblinka/images/traces of the treblinka camp.jpg

And now the evil Nazis did the same thing to what looks like bean cans and other unidentified rubble. Horrific!

http://www.zwoje-scrolls.com/shoah/o8.jpg

Looks like poor people who didn't survive the hardships of the transportations. Hence the 4 million gasssings are proven.

The contrast is weak because there are heaps of dead bodies with the same skin tone in an enlargement from 35mm film. There is no problem with other bodies in the same shot. Next question.

Aha. Until you show us the unproblematic parts of the enlargement (which you have never seen) I have no further questions.

Now that we had this silly little intermezzo can we go back to the Posen speech please?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

That's all I wanted to hear. So you admit that one of the most passionate and famous speeches by Churchill was not spoken by Churchill at all. Everybody was fooled that it was Churchill who spoke these words.

Admit what. School boy history. This was discussed openly on the BBC when they allowed the House of Commons to be recorded in the 60's.

You probably understand why I made you admit it, namely to show that a tape is not a proof at all of the identity of the speaker.

That's why I have already informed you that Churchill's and Himmler's hand notes still exist to confirm the authorship.

Thanks for your advice, but since I lived many years in Germany I'm more fluent in German than in English,

We have both lived in Germany. Did you you look up ausrotten in a german dictionary?......völlige Vernichtung.

Ausrotten = Exterminate
völlige Vernichtung = complete destruction

I don't need a German dictionary.

Fantastic.....what is your "non-German dictionary" translation then?

Again I am asking you: discuss why you think that the Posen speech, assuming it took place (and it probably did) is proof for the 'official story' (although I'm afraid that that bacteria phrase is about it). I must remind the casual reader that the Krema V picture and the Posen speech are about the best 'evidence' the holocaustians can come up with in support for the alleged mega-crime.

Himmler's speech speaks for itself.

The Krema V photograph and Posen speech are just additional evidence to train records, official documents, photos, forensic evidence that we have countered your assertions with. You have simply forgotten about them in a short space of time for some reason.

 

[Nonpareil]

I am deeply shocked by the manner in how these what looks like wooden shelfs came to their tragic end.

Perhaps you would care to examine the center of the photograph more closely.

And now the evil Nazis did the same thing to what looks like bean cans and other unidentified rubble. Horrific!

Even if this photograph didn't obviously contain other objects, this would still prove the invalidity of the Krege conclusions. One way or the other, your argument is defeated.

Looks like poor people who didn't survive the hardships of the transportations. Hence the 4 million gasssings are proven.

Once more, 9/11-investigator, we are forced to remind you that the Holocaust consisted of much more than gassings. And even if it didn't, do you claim that the Nazis are not to be held responsible for the deaths of those on the trains?

Aha. Until you show us the unproblematic parts of the enlargement (which you have never seen) I have no further questions.

Until you show the problematic parts, you have no case.

Now that we had this silly little intermezzo can we go back to the Posen speech please?

We've always been discussing it. You're the one who keeps attempting to derail.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Trojan posts again the only picture from the entire 'holocaust' that could be (but not necessarily must be) interpreted in line with the official story as planted by the victors in Nuremberg, namely that 4 million people or so were gassed.

I then quickly showed you three specific Treblinka photos that "are in line" with the researched history, proving you a liar when you said "the only picture"

Aha. Until you show us the unproblematic parts of the enlargement (which you have never seen) I have no further questions.

So you are asking me to comment on enlargements that you won't show me. That's a new trick. Do you mean the enlargements from this revisionist website that copied the photos from a book without looking at the original photo? http://www.codoh.com/found/fndgcffor.html

 

[bethgsd]

Is it possible to watch the Military History channel on line? A show on WW2 was recently aired and had footage taken when the Americans liberated one of the camps. Or would that be considered faked too?

 

[Trojan]

Is it possible to watch the Military History channel on line? A show on WW2 was recently aired and had footage taken when the Americans liberated one of the camps. Or would that be considered faked too?

It will be considered fake, unless there if video or allied bombs falling on the camp before hand, any wrong doing by the Nazis will be considered fake by the investigator

 

[Trojan]

Every 10 pages or so Trojan posts again his Krema V picture and that's about it, others keep whining about the credentials of Krege.

I think I posted it twice now, once alone and once in context of how it was published -- if you think my only contribution to this thread has been the picture, then I guess something about the picture has you scared.

All it shows is corpses about to be cremated -- do you deny cremations took place? What has you scared?

 

[TSR]

... others keep whining about the credentials of Krege.

.
What a ... revisionist way to spell "pointing out that Krege has no credentials to support a report that will never be released anyway."

Where's the raw data, 9/11?


Or are you content to continue running away from the fact that your claims about this "report" bear a only passing resemblance to reality?
.

 

[carlitos]

Goebbels' diary:

Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die notwendige Folge sein.

With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn't just a catch-word. The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.

Himmler's diary:

Judenfrage / als Partisanen auszurotten

Jewish Question / to be exterminated like the partisans

2 contemporaneous diary entries, relating to what Hitler said about the Jewish Question. Why, it's almost like Goebbels and Himmler both heard Hitler say the same thing.

Comments?

 

[9/11-investigator]

I think I posted it twice now, once alone and once in context of how it was published -- if you think my only contribution to this thread has been the picture, then I guess something about the picture has you scared.

Here is a new batch of photographs for Trojan. Maybe he can recycle them on a not too bright forum:

http://www.heretical.com/walendy/fakes.html

All it shows is corpses about to be cremated -- do you deny cremations took place?

Tenths of thousands died in the camps. The vast majority of them were cremated.