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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
That's your opinion. And even the site you gave doesn't make that conclusion.

In fact the site you gave entitled:

The Jesus Narrative In The Talmud
By Gil Student

says this:

"Some historians note some similarities here between Yeshu and Jesus. Most notably, in one manuscript of the Talmud he is called Yeshu the Notzri which could be rendered (with only a little difficulty) Jesus the Nazarene."

http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/jesusnarr.html
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This one? The one which you misquoted so brutally?
There are no others on this page that I can see.
As I recall, DOC hasn't given any sources for his claims about the 'Jewish' Talmud.
Just for any readers out there, DOC, won't you post a link which supports your claim, please?
 
DOC said:
That doesn't mean they're not out there. And this thread could cause some to do additional study on this topic.

But if someone is a baby Christian (new to Christianity) or has just accepted Christ there is no way in the world I would recommend that they come into these threads. They should spend a couple of years reading and studying the bible first, and should also have some knowledge of the scientific theories that are out there about the beginning of the universe and possibly take a logic course. Geisler's book in post #1 speaks logically about many of the things we've been talking about and also gives easy to understand explanations of many scientific theories. And of course it talks a great deal about the bible.
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A challenge to any lurkers who haven't yet responded. Has ANYONE been persuaded by DOC's arguments? ANYONE?
 
DOC said:
And this thread could cause some to do additional study on this topic.
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Not "could cause"... this thread has prompted some to do additional study on this topic...

Sadly, you're not one of them
 
Lothian said:
...you think that Jesus is the sexual promiscuious womaniser in the Talmud you are free to bring evidence.
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If you think that commenting on someone's narrow eyes constitutes sexual promiscuity and womanising you are free to bring evidence.
 
DOC said:
And Post # 1 was Geisler's argument, not mine.
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You presented it and have been (poorly)defending it. Therefore, it becomes your argument.

Again, You demonstrate your dishonesty.
 
pakeha said:
DOC wanted to know why it is known Yeshu and the NT's Jesus aren't the same person
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cach...ud+Christ&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=es&lr=lang_en



The Jesus of the NT wasn't a contemporary of King Jannai. King Jannai died 76 BCE
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/biography/jannai.html
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To take it back even further, the story on the page DOC seemed to think supported a link between Jesus and Yeshu of the Talmud begins:
When John [Hyrcanus] the king killed the rabbis, R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah [and Yeshu] went to Alexandria of Egypt.
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John Hyrcanus died in 104 BCE, which would make Yeshu well over 100 the year the NT Jesus was supposedly born.


ETA: The angelfire site seems to have different dates from wikipedia; 91 BCE for the accession of Jannai; the point still stands.
 
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sphenisc said:
If you think that commenting on someone's narrow eyes constitutes sexual promiscuity and womanising you are free to bring evidence.
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Narrow eyes / sexual promiscuity proof.

.....but from Doc's link "While returning, Yeshu misunderstood one of his teacher's remarks and said something that demonstrated that he was interested in and looking at married women. As sexual promiscuity was a sign of many of the Hellenist sects, R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah suspected his student of being yet another leader influenced by Hellenism and had him excommunicated"
 
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Thanks, zooterkin.
I was confused because DOC claims to have linked an article showing the identification Yeshu/Jesus, although he's being very coy about posting it up again.
The only link of DOC's on this thread I could find was the one DOC misquoted, the very one you used, zooterkin.
I've been Googling and have found nothing to support this identification.
 
Crud!
I missed page 201.

I wanted to make the joke of it being: "201: A specious Odyssey".



Apart from that are we still arguing that somebody that lived one hundred year before Christ, learn under the teaching of a rabbi that nobody mentions in the Gospels and is very subservient to him, somebody that was making risqué jokes and was under suspicion of being influenced by the Greek paganistic culture, that this person is actually Jesus Christ?
Just because he shared the same (very common) name and was executed at the same time of the year (maybe, depending on how you read the Gospels).

That's actually quite a nice illustration of the incredible stubbornness of Doc that refuses to admit he was mistaken when he clearly and absolutely was and of the depth of his denial.
Doc's denial on this matter, to say the least, is a river that could swallow the whole of Egypt at any time.
 
Simon39759 said:
Crud!
I missed page 201.

I wanted to make the joke of it being: "201: A specious Odyssey".



Apart from that are we still arguing that somebody that lived one hundred year before Christ, learn under the teaching of a rabbi that nobody mentions in the Gospels and is very subservient to him, somebody that was making risqué jokes and was under suspicion of being influenced by the Greek paganistic culture, that this person is actually Jesus Christ?
Just because he shared the same (very common) name and was executed at the same time of the year (maybe, depending on how you read the Gospels).

That's actually quite a nice illustration of the incredible stubbornness of Doc that refuses to admit he was mistaken when he clearly and absolutely was and of the depth of his denial.
Doc's denial on this matter, to say the least, is a river that could swallow the whole of Egypt at any time.
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You forgot DOC's refusal to provide a link to his source when requested, otherwise yes, that's as good a summary as we'll find.
 
Akhenaten said:
Ooh!
Ich bin eine Heidelberger.
<--I gotz a thing for under my name.

Who to thank?
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I guess it has to do with the 'Pith' nomination thread, over at the 'language award', last time I check, you were doing great in the poll.
So, I'd think, Hoku is the one to thank, as well as the person that initially nominated you and everybody that voted for you.
Also, you could thank Doc whose mistake open the door for your pithiness.
Thanking your wife or family is always nice, I'd assume.

And, God, of course, thanking him is standard operating procedure, apparently.
 
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