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Flight 77 flight path

mudlark said:
Before I forget tj15.
You linked me to the ´I-395´ witness?
NEITHER flightpath crosses this motorway.

[qimg]http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/BothPathsOverhead.jpg[/img]
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Edx said:
Another shill, obviously. As you can see from the comments, I wonder if Mudlark will directly or indirectly call this another fake witness. Cuz they're all fake if they dont say what CIT want them to say, isnt that right Mudlark?
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I'm not familiar with that area, but Petitt said that he was on 110. Anyone know what direction he was traveling? Shouldn't he have seen the flyover if it occurred?
 
Mud, please answer me. You made the statement that the plane never hit the pentagon. Then please answer how the debris, DNA and bodies were planted in broad daylight without a single person seeing it. Also explain the more than 100 witnesses to the actual impact.

Now do you see why people think you and your CIT buddies are insane ? You simply cannot make the claim that no plane hit the pentagon with the mountains of evidence that it did.
 
mudlark said:
Before I forget tj15.
You linked me to the ´I-395´ witness?
NEITHER flightpath crosses this motorway.

http://[url]http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/BothPathsOverhead.jpg[/url]http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/BothPathsOverhead.jpg
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Domenic:
We have proven that the plane in question cannot navigate the path you marked in blue in your image. We debunked that back in April 08.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3587021
 
mudlark said:
Before I forget tj15.
You linked me to the ´I-395´ witness?
NEITHER flightpath crosses this motorway.

[qimg]http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/BothPathsOverhead.jpg[/qimg]
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I already pointed out that he was about the worst CIT shill I've ever seen, but there is NO WAY he just posted that flight path. That is absolutely fantastic!

Morin? under the bus! Paik? Under the Bus! Boger? Under the Bus!

Plus the damn plane would have had to have been hauled over on its side to fly that cork screw!

Mud, is it to early to say I love you? Or should I just call you One Slice? Hey, the Boys are going to be very angry back at the Tree House tonight, given that you posted the most ridiculous flight path in ever, and threw their witnesses under the bus, AND did not point out that Aldo's weight problem stems from a glandular problem.

One Slice! Accusing Lloyde of mass murder, uh huh!
 
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Crazytimes said:
Mud, please answer me. You made the statement that the plane never hit the pentagon. Then please answer how the debris, DNA and bodies were planted in broad daylight without a single person seeing it. Also explain the more than 100 witnesses to the actual impact.
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And how Legasse saw the aftermath of the plane crash, how did all the plane parts he saw get there?
 
We should get a good list going of south of Citgo eyewitnesses... I mean, truthers rely so much on eyewitness testimony, what would they do if other witnesses contradict their witnesses?!
 
BigAl said:
DNA:

http://www.dcmilitary.com/dcmilitary_archives/stories/112901/12279-1.shtml

Note the date, Nov 2001. Not all the bodies had been identified yet.
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Yes I have read that link.
What I was asking for was official verified documentation.

I have a problem understanding how there was a 100% success rate. Especially with the passenger DNA and the papers related to its recovery and identification.

http://radiology.rsna.org/content/223/1/7.full

There is also the ever-present problem of debris. Virtually every specimen from this site was mixed with debris composed of aircraft and building materials of an opaque and semiopaque nature. Body parts from several individuals may have been mixed into a single specimen.
...

Analysis of DNA is a powerful tool in military casualty identification, but it has limitations. THE DNA SOURCES FROM VICTIMS SUBJECTED TO INTENSE FIRE MAY DENATURE AND NOT BE RECOVERABLE (5). The mass-casualty operation resulting from the Pentagon attack confirms the importance of forensic radiology as a key component of casualty identification.
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They deduced that it was ´aircraft..materials´ based on what exactly btw?

The military anticipates the requirement of obtaining DNA specimens from all personnel and maintaining them in a central repository for postmortem identification purposes (4). In addition, dental records are maintained and usually include a full-mouth pantograph. The existence of a reference database allows relatively rapid positive identification of military casualties. THIS WAS, IN FACT, TRUE WITH THE PENTAGON ATTACK, SINCE MANY MORE MILITARY CASUALTIES WERE POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED THAN CIVILIAN CASUALTIES IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE INVESTIGATION.
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Yet in another report

http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jun/28-581634.html

"WHILE IDENTIFICATION INFORMATION ON MILITARY PERSONNEL IS STORED AND CENTRALLY AVAILABLE, INFORMATION ON THE 64 CIVILIANS ON FLIGHT 77 TOOK WEEKS TO ARRIVE.
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Were there not passengers with a military background on the plane itself?

Passengers involved in gov’t/defense related work: 21
Military backgrounds: 10
Navy background: 7

Surely ONE of these people had a DNA database available?

http://www.arlingtonva.us/web/pdfinfo.aspx

The sifting operation produced about 70 percent
of the body PARTS processed at the morgue.
A statement issued by the county said:

Responsibility for incident and site management at the Pentagon crash site was transferred from the Arlington County Fire Department to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) effective at 7 a.m., Friday, Sept. 21. IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT ADDITIONAL REMAINS WILL BE DISCOVERED DURING THE COURSE OF THE FBI’S INVESTIGATION. Qualified mortuary personnel remain on site to process these remains.
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So are they saying that the passengers were identified AFTER the FBI took over the investigation? The earlier report stated that it took two weeks more to identify the passengers.
This is why I have a problem with the fact that we have seen no documentation.

The other problem I have is the actual 100% success in identification of the passengers.
It has been pointed out that DNA can only be destroyed through cremation. 1000º over a period of time.
So do we believe the ASCE report on temperatures reached?

http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf

¨...longitudinal cracks and corner spalling, which are typical in concrete columns because of the large thermally induced transverse
strains that are unrestrained in the transverse direction, occurred approximately one hour after exposure to ISO 834. This coincides with an ambient temperature of about 1,740º (950º)
Several structural elements in bays adjacent to the path of aircraft impact in the first floor did not sustain damage by impact. Rather, the damage to these elements was due to fire exposure. Because the structural elements in the Pentagon are believed to have had additional fire protection provided by the interior finishes-while the laboratory columns were fully exposed -and because the rate of temperature rise in the actual fire is believed to be greater than that prescribed by ISO 834, the comparison is not exact. However, it should bprovide an indication of the lower bound temperatures at some locations in the Pentagon.

...in Ring C, toward the end of the damage path..columns sustained
thermal damage in the form of longitudinal cracks and corner spalling....It took a little more than one hour of exposure to ISO 834-at a corresponding ambient temperature of about 1,740ºF (950ºC)
-for the longitudinal cracks and corner spalling to develop in the laboratory test columns. This indicates that the temperature of the fire at this location might have reached a similar level.

Fire damage to the underside of the second-floor slab at some locations can also be compared with laboratory tests for an indication of the lower bound of the maximum temperature reached.
...In laboratory fire tests of concrete slabs....88 minutes of exposure to ASTM E119 is equivalent to a maximum ambient temperature of about 1,832º (1000º).
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Those temperatures were reached. Especially around C Ring where the bulk of passengers were allegedly found.
Also in an earlier post I was pointed to the testimony which stated that passengers were found ´strapped to their seats´
Why weren´t these people identified in the first two weeks if their bodies were allegedly visually identifiable as not being fragments of tissue?

Maybe I´m reading too much into the recommendation made in the same report but it needs expanded on.

Occasionally, it is appropriate for senior government officials to visit sensitive facilities such as the FBI’s temporary morgue, even if only to check on the wellbeing of the staff working there. However, these visits must be carefully controlled and absolutely necessary. (LE-073)
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Still cant answer the question about Timmerman, how sad. I know you think he's a fake witness, just another shill feeding fake reports and fake information to people. I know you wont admit it, you're just asking questions!
 
Originally Posted by Crazytimes
Mud, please answer me. You made the statement that the plane never hit the pentagon. Then please answer how the debris, DNA and bodies were planted in broad daylight without a single person seeing it. Also explain the more than 100 witnesses to the actual impact.

And how Legasse saw the aftermath of the plane crash, how did all the plane parts he saw get there?
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If you have documentation on debris, DNA and bodies I´d gladly look at them.
If you are asking if there was oppurtunity for someone to plant anything as you say in ´broad daylight´, of course there was.

http://www.arlingtonva.us/web/pdfinfo.aspx

During the first 24 hours, it was necessary to evacuate the Pentagon on four separate occasions because of the risk of structural collapse or the threat of additional terrorist attacks. It is difficult to measure the full impact of repeated building evacuations, but it was clearly negative and significant. Each time an evacuation was ordered, firefighters interrupted operations, abandoned equipment, shut off hoses, and ran several hundred yards to protected areas.
From there, they had to watch as flames reclaimed the parts of the Pentagon they had just evacuated.
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You are asking for speculation but the oppurtunity was definitely there.
 
tj15 said:
We should get a good list going of south of Citgo eyewitnesses... I mean, truthers rely so much on eyewitness testimony, what would they do if other witnesses contradict their witnesses?!
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Good luck with that.
 
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