Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Akhenaten]

An it please thee Ma'am, Her Majesty speaks sooth, as is ever Her wont.

 

[zooterkin]

Actually 10,000 is a conservative number, he said "over" 10,000. The praised physician/historian Luke reported 3000 on the day of Pentecost, (Acts 2:41). Then he reported 5000 more "men" in (Acts 4:4). That's 8000. Remember woman were second class citizens in that era and weren't even counted in tallies (as weren't children). So if you add women and children, one estimate has been 15,000.

15,000. That's a lot of converts. You'd think there would be some contemporary report of that. That many Jewish converts would also be expected to have a greater influence in how Christianity developed, yet they went after gentiles instead.

Also if they become Christian there going to have a new Sabbath.

Are you sure? When did Sunday replace the Jewish sabbath?

And we're not only talking the NT writers who are making these changes, we're talking 8000 (and most likely at least 10,000) Jews, according to Luke, within weeks of the Resurrection. Yes, something big is going on for this many people to change their lifetime religion and customs. One can now see why Christianity spread so fast if this many people converted within such a short period after the resurrection.

So, once again, your proof that the bible is true is what is written in the bible?

 

[Elizabeth I]

An it please thee Ma'am, Her Majesty speaks sooth, as is ever Her wont.

You have the right of it, O Pharaoh! We monarchs must stick together.

 

[six7s]

An it please thee Ma'am, Her Majesty speaks sooth, as is ever Her wont.

You have the right of it, O Pharaoh! We monarchs must stick together.

Does the flap of a monarch in HL&A trigger a storm in R&P?

 

[Akhenaten]

It depends on how many butterflies can dance on the head of a pin, I believe.

 

[George 152]

So - and I don't believe this for one second, given DOC's repeated history of lying - 10,000 Jews are supposed to have converted to christianity within a few weeks of the death of Jesus. Fine, it's almost certainly bollocks but let's pretend for a second that DOC is capable of posting something that bears a passing resemblance to fact.

If it took something amazing to convert all of those, could I ask about the rest of the Jews who didn't convert, who weren't convinced, who heard about the supposed death and resurrection of your divine zombie but clearly rejected it. Do you not think it shows remarkable obdurance on their part? I mean, they were around but rejected it all. Clearly it wasn't that amazing.

But I post this knowing full well that I am posting it against the brick wall of your ignorance and inability to recognise any criticism. The simple fact remains that you have posted no evidence whatsoever to support the OP. Geisler remains the same pile of steaming horse ***** that it was when you started the thread off with it. Nothing that you have adduced since has added any veracity to your claim in the OP.

If such a thing did happen it would have attracted the attention of the Greek and Jewish historians of the time and would have featured in their writings.
It did not!

 

[six7s]

It depends on how many butterflies can dance on the head of a pin, I believe.

Does the pin have to be stuck into the Triple Burner point of the topmost turtle?

 

[Akhenaten]

Only if there is nobody there to hear it fall.

 

[joobz]

Actually 10,000 is a conservative number, he said "over" 10,000. The praised physician/historian Luke reported 3000 on the day of Pentecost, (Acts 2:41). Then he reported 5000 more "men" in (Acts 4:4). That's 8000. Remember woman were second class citizens in that era and weren't even counted in tallies (as weren't children). So if you add women and children, one estimate has been 15,000.

So your source for those numbers is the same source for claiming that the resurrection happened? And that's the same source who made up the census story to better fit the messiah story.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Only if there is nobody there to hear it fall.

And if the elephant is asleep.

 

[Akhenaten]

I hope someone is writing all this down, so it will be out there for all to see and to speak for itself.

 

[Cactus Wren]

So why do most people believe it is wrong to murder innocent people?

Because most people don't want to be murdered and don't want their loved ones to be murdered.

I disagree, deep down every sane person knows it is wrong to kill innocent people and children.

So Moses was not sane?

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

 

[zooterkin]

So Moses was not sane?

Perhaps he was trying to live up to the example of sanity set by a god who supposedly murdered everyone except Noah and his family in the flood, and most of those in Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[pakeha]

...So Moses was not sane?

What does the evidence tell you, Cactus Wren?

 

[DOC]

Given DOC's propensity for appeals to popularity, I will guarantee he meant the veracity of the texts is proven by their number.

More people making general comments about DOC without giving a specific post as an example. I think you and others know any derogatory point you might make about me many times won't be as effective if you actually present what I say.

It should send a red flag to people when people talk about me without presenting one of my posts as an example. And your statement that I believe the veracity of texts is proven by their number is absurd and hurts your credibility. Hokulele, you should apologize for such a false statement.

ETA I think it is obvious what is going on. Some people are attacking the messenger in hopes of influencing others. Unfortunately it looks like that is starting to include false statements also.

 

[zooterkin]

More people making general comments about DOC without giving a specific post as an example. I think you and others know any point you might make won't be that effective if you actually present what I say.

It should send a red flag to people when people talk about me without presenting one of my posts. And your statement that I believe the veracity of texts is proven by their number is absurd and hurts your credibility. Hokulele, you should apologize for such a false statement.

So, should we report you every time you post in this thread without presenting evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth?


ETA: If my response seems slightly odd, it's because the post I read and replied to had a suggestion that DOC (who seems to be talking about himself in the third-person) would be reporting people. That seems to have disappeared in the time between me reading the post and pressing the 'Quote' button.

 

[six7s]

More people making general comments about DOC

Oh puhleease!

The comments are specific and they're about your (so called) arguments... but yeah... they're derogoatory... cos... wel... you know why

without giving a specific post as an example.

Pick a post... any post... ever one's a winner loser

I think you and others know any derogatory point you might make about me many times won't be as effective if you actually present what I say.

Bollocks!

It should send a red flag to people when people talk about me without presenting one of my posts.

Yeah... it does. The red flag signifies that you are STILL spouting crap instead of (even trying to) present 'evidence for why we know yada yada yada'

And your statement that I believe the veracity of texts is proven by their number is absurd and hurts your credibility.

Oh teh Irony

Hokulele, you should apologize for such a false statement.

ETA I think it is obvious what is going on. Some people are attacking the messenger message in hopes of influencing others.

FTFY

Unfortunately it looks that is starting to include false statements also.

Liar

 

[DOC]

So, should we report you every time you post in this thread without presenting evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth?


ETA: If my response seems slightly odd, it's because the post I read and replied to had a suggestion that DOC (who seems to be talking about himself in the third-person) would be reporting people. That seems to have disappeared in the time between me reading the post and pressing the 'Quote' button.

You must have made a mistake because I never said I was going to report people in the post you responded to or in any of the edits.

 

[amb]

''We have never seen, in our time, nature go out of her course. But we have good reason to believe that millions of lies have been told in the same time. It is therefore at least millions to one that the reporter of a miracle tells a lie.''

-Thomas Paine-

 

[Akhenaten]

More people making general comments about DOC without giving a specific post as an example.

You can't see it, but your own statement here is a general comment about other posters without giving a specific post as an example.

Exactly, almost to the letter, what you're accusing others of doing.

This projection is a major flaw in your arguments and is extrememly hypocritical.

I think you and others know any derogatory point you might make about me many times won't be as effective if you actually present what I say.

You are completely wrong and we know no such thing because it's complete drivel.

Presenting what you say is impossible, because you have nothing to say.

It should send a red flag to people when people talk about me without presenting one of my posts.

The fact is, and again you simply can't see the truth, people aren't talking about you at all, since you aren't interesting enough for anyone to want to do that.

People don't bother presenting your individual posts for 3 main reasons:

1. They're all the same,

2. They're garbage, and

3. It's been done seventy-eight billion times already.

And your statement that I believe the veracity of texts is proven by their number is absurd and hurts your credibility. Hokulele, you should apologize for such a false statement.

As someone with zero credibilty yourself, you have absolutely no basis on which to make this absurd 'observation', and Hokulele's credibiity is just fine.

You have no idea how to establish your own credibility in this or any other discussion, and your calls on another poster to apologise for 'false statements' is a pathetic joke at your own expense in light of the endless stream of bilge that you have produced here.

ETA I think it is obvious what is going on. Some people are attacking the messenger in hopes of influencing others. Unfortunately it looks that is starting to include false statements also.

Your posts have revealed a complete lack of anything even approaching the ability to see what's going on.

Who and where are these 'others' DOC?

Do they have evidence that the New Testament writers told the truth, because you surely don't