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Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 3

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kitakaze wrote:
I have posted 5 real world examples of real human proportions
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REAL-LY???????????

What's going on with this fella's lower legs....and his arms???????


They look REALLY weird to me...;)...or, at least.....very untypical....perhaps, even a little "freakazoid-ish"....:p...



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Yet again.....kitzo "brings the garbage".
 
SweatyYeti said:
kitakaze wrote:




REAL-LY???????????

What's going on with this fella's lower legs....and his arms???????


They look REALLY weird to me...;)...or, at least.....very untypical....perhaps, even a little "freakazoid-ish"....:p...



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Yet again.....kitzo "brings the garbage".
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The lower legs are swung back a bit, making them appear shorter? That would seem to be an obvious explanation.

At any rate Sweaty, it looks like your Patty skeleton can turn it's head just fine, but supposedly Patty could not.
 
SweatyYeti said:
In near-perfect agreement with Grover Krantz's measurement of Patty's upper-body width....(of 28")...the Vision Realm skeleton shows Patty's width to be right around 27".....based on a height of 72"...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/PattySkelWidthHeight3.jpg[/qimg]

Contrary to what Twist-akaze has said, the VR skeleton fits Patty very well.

The image he posts of the LMS overlay only shows a mis-alignment....not necessarily a mis-fit.

He is either too stupid to realize the difference between the two concepts, or he's "confusing" them intentionally.

Take your pick. :)
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1) You failed to answer my simple yes or no question. You always fail and run from it. Does it scare you in some fashion or what, Sweaty?

Here it is again. Try and muster up some courage...

Simple question for you. Is P7S of normal human proportions? Is that skeleton used to fit Patty showing human bones in proportions that are normal for a human being? Yes or no followed by whatever explanation you care to offer.

2) Do you have a problem with hiding behind art? I think so because you keep countering numerous hman skeletons with it. Want to hide behind someone else's work (Krantz)? Try showing the work and how the measurements Krantz made are valid. That's exactly what I'm doing with P7S and a sample base of real human skeleton.

3) You're having crayon malfunctions again. What's with those line placements?

4) What's with the concept art's crazy shoulder bones and skull? What happened to Patty's crest? I mean before the piano fell on it.

5) Misalignment? How is this funky chicken that you have no interest in proving the validity of supposed to fit?

SweatyYeti said:
Sorry, kitty....but I'm just not interested in proving the VR skeleton's validity....to the "skeptics"....(scoftics, actually)...of Jref. From the overlays of the skeleton over Patty....in LMS....it looks to me to be a very good fit.
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Sweaty continues to run.
 
SweatyYeti said:
REAL-LY???????????

What's going on with this fella's lower legs....and his arms???????

They look REALLY weird to me...;)...or, at least.....very untypical....perhaps, even a little "freakazoid-ish"....:p...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/KittyPOO100.jpg[/qimg]

Yet again.....kitzo "brings the garbage".
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Your comprehension seems to be elbow spanning again there, Sweaty...

a) Leg measurements (femur and tibia/fibula) were not included in the skeleton measurements I made. I focused on measurements central to your claim of Patty having inhuman proportions (arm length, should width, and nutty fingertips to ground).

b) The real skeletons are normal and in accord with the measurements of the other three skeletons I posted as well as the arms I'm typing with now.

c) Any fool should able to tell that tibia and fibula of the legs there are bent back. You are the guy who scribbles arrows on what he thinks are buidlings and walls on Mars, so I don't expect your woo goggles help your vision much.

d) You are ignoring 4/5 of the sample base and all of the relevant measurements. Do you have some kind of fear thing going on or what?

e) What's up the funky chicken's legs in your VR joke?
 
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kitakaze wrote:
What's with those line placements?
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If you're refering to the lines I placed beside the shoulder-joints on the VR Patty skeleton....they respresent where the outside of Patty's shoulders would be.
 
kitakaze said:
Real Skeleton D

  • Height - 8.3 cm

  • Arm length - 4.1 cm 49.39%

  • Humerus - 1.9 cm 22.89%

  • Radius/ulna - 1.4 cm 16.86%

  • Shoulder width - 1.9 cm 22.89%

  • Fingertip to ground - 2.8 cm 32.73%

1) RSD extremely close to RSC and RSB.

2) 5 real human skeletons more squatchy than P7S fitting Patty (arm length, shoulder width, finger to ground).

3) All real skeletons and myself are of normal human proportions.
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From my skeleton sample base posted here the rain of pain continues...

Real Skeleton E

  • Height - 9.2 cm

  • Arm length - 4.3 cm 46.73%

  • Humerus - 1.8 cm 19.56%

  • Radius/ulna - 1.4 cm 15.21%

  • Shoulder width - 2.3 cm 25%

  • Fingertip to ground - 3.3 cm 35.86%

1) Cool. That skeleton's finger tip to ground proportion is almost exactly the same as mine.

2) 6 real human skeletons more squatchy than P7S fitting Patty (arm length, shoulder width, finger to ground).

3) Sweaty continues to run from the fact that P7S has normal human proportions.
 
SweatyYeti said:
If you're refering to the lines I placed beside the shoulder-joints on the VR Patty skeleton....they respresent where the outside of Patty's shoulders would be.
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No, I was talking about the lines you placed on the head and feet. Also, you don't know where Patty's shoulders would be.

You failed to answer my simple yes or no question. It's like the 500 m in here. I'm enjoying inducing fanatic panic.

You failed to address 1, 2, 4, and 5. Oops for you. I'm playing you like the piano that fell on Patty's head.
 
It's a beautiful day, the sun is shining, and I have a couple of cowboys checking out my junk. You like these hair cans, boys? You want some of this diaper butt? ROWR...

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Well you are just going to have to walk this way with m-

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OMFG! A piano just fell on my head! I need to get to a clinic now and I don't think the $12 in quarters in my pocket is going to cover it.
 
LTC8K6 said:
How do these shoulders match at all?
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It's easy to see how wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide Patty truly is, when she's standing next to....and dwarfing, Roger...


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And that's with Patty viewed form a greater angle than Roger's being viewed.
Translation......the difference in their upper-torso widths is greater than it appears in this comparison.


But I can make an 'overlay animated-gif' later....with the VR skeleton, and a rear view of Patty, to test the accuracy of the skeleton's height-to-width proportion.
 
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SweatyYeti said:
It's easy to see how wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide Patty truly is, when she's standing next to....and dwarfing, Roger...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/RogerPatty2.jpg[/qimg]
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Oops for you, a normal human skeleton fits Patty's shoulder width just fine and is verified by six - count 'em, - human skeletons.

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Sweaty runs from a simple question about whether P7S has normal human proportions as is proven. Never refuse to answer a question, my butt. And Sweaty has the beans to say skeptics run from him. Ballzheimers hits hard. ;)
 
LTC8K6 said:
That skeleton and Patty just do not match at all to me in the shoulders and I don't mean width.
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That Vision Realm foo foo concept art has shoulders that don't even match real shoulder anatomy. And what's up with the skull? Where's the crest? Compare that with the pre-piano image I posted of Patty. Before she got turned into Andy Capp she has what looks to be a massive sagittal crest. That makes no sense at all. She's supposed to be female and no female ape should have a crest that big. We can Meldrum it and say that Patty's tummy rocks are air sacs for mating calls, which would be quite dumb since nobody reports air sacs.

The other major point is that a great big sagittal crest is there for the attachment of great big jaw muscles, which Patty doesn't have. Those jaw muscles should be there for the chewing up of tons and leaves and other plant matter, in which case you would have a great big gut for processing all that nutritionally poor food. Patty has a monster crumple booty but no monster gut. If Patty is a herbivore like gorillas, which make a mess where they live, we should definitely have a type specimen for this creature that woo fanatics like Sweaty think lives in the state of New fricking York.
 
SweatyYeti said:
The truth is.....NO human skeletons have been shown/proven to match Patty's upper-torso width.
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Lies. What is inhuman about the Poser 7 stock human skeleton model? 6 real human skeletons confirm it to be of normal human proportions.

I'll do some comparisons later to demonstrate that to be true.
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You will scribble on a blurry mess and it will do nothing to cover up the fact that P7S is normal and fits Patty or that you run from skeptics and refuse to answer simple questions. It's very easy to show how disinterested you are in the truth or having an honest debate.

Patty will never be reliable evidence for Bigfoot and you are a woo who obsesses on aliens and boogeymen.
 
SweatyYeti said:
Twist-akaze twists another one. That's 500....count 'em.....twists of the truth. :)
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I twist nothing. You are the one lying to people and saying Patty has inhuman body proportions...

SweatyYeti said:
But since Patty is much more than just a 'still picture'......a stationary recreation simply doesn't mean anything in the way of analysis of Patty's apparent muscle movements, and inhuman body proportions.
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Why do you do that?
 
If one looks real closely at the Mangler skeletons, that kittles just posted, one can see that in the rear-view image of the skeleton....Patty is nowhere to be found.

That view is not even a comparison....therefore, it's meaningless garbage.

Here is a comparison, viewed from directly behind, and from directly in front...


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Patty is wider.




Vort wrote:
Except, of course, this one supplied by Odinn:
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In that one, Patty is being viewed at a significant angle...and her width is fore-shortened.....so it's not accurate to say that the skeleton is being shown to "match" Patty's width.

The comparison above shows the difference quite clearly.
 
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