9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Kurse]

We are talking about diaries here, not memoirs. A diary is written in the assumption that only the writer himself will read this. It's a vehicle for reflection, not for public consumption.

I know what a diary is.
But what you fail to understand is that they decided to publish it, which also means they could have left out details. You can't just publish a single copy, which meas during th copying that part was left out.
If it was even left out. Once again, who would want to publish them killing hundreds?

 

[Uzzy]

Again: He wants, under all circumstances, to push the Jews out of Europe.

And how do you bring that about: you round them up, put them in trains and ship them to the east, waiting for the Endsieg, so they could be permanently resettled somewhere in Russia. That was the idea. Unfortunately for the Germans the Russians fought harder back than the average African did when the British invaded their territory. Poor Germans. The British, French, Dutch and others had snatched all potential colonies away before Germany could unite and get their fair share. Russia was the only left-over for the Lebensraum desires of the Germans. Tough luck.

'Pushing out of Europe' is not equal to killing. It's a logistical operation, not a homocidal one.

Disregarding your amusing views on Empire, I'm curious about this part of your argument.

You agree that Hitler wanted the Jews out of Europe, correct? In this quote, you suggest that Hitler wanted to do this by permanently resettling them in Russia. Ok, that's fair enough. However, you also point out that the Russians fought back.

At this point, do you suppose that Hitler and other high ranking officials simply abandoned their plans to remove the Jews from Europe? Do also bare in mind that in the years 1942-1943, death was being inflicted upon the Eastern Front in massive numbers, enough to change the psyche of any. The SS were shooting Russian POW's, while battles such as the one at Stalingrad led to the death of almost 2 million people.

 

[Nonpareil]

Raul Hilberg would love to see some evidence that Hitler 'knew'. Of course you will not find evidence, because the holocaust did not happen as alledged.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Hitler didn't know about the Final Solution?

Again: He wants, under all circumstances, to push the Jews out of Europe.

And how do you bring that about: you round them up, put them in trains and ship them to the east, waiting for the Endsieg, so they could be permanently resettled somewhere in Russia. That was the idea. Unfortunately for the Germans the Russians fought harder back than the average African did when the British invaded their territory. Poor Germans. The British, French, Dutch and others had snatched all potential colonies away before Germany could unite and get their fair share. Russia was the only left-over for the Lebensraum desires of the Germans. Tough luck.

'Pushing out of Europe' is not equal to killing. It's a logistical operation, not a homocidal one.

1) BS
2) "homicidal". HOMICIDAL.

 

[Amazer]

Again: He wants, under all circumstances, to push the Jews out of Europe.

And how do you bring that about: you round them up, put them in trains and ship them to the east, waiting for the Endsieg, so they could be permanently resettled somewhere in Russia. That was the idea. Unfortunately for the Germans the Russians fought harder back than the average African did when the British invaded their territory. Poor Germans. The British, French, Dutch and others had snatched all potential colonies away before Germany could unite and get their fair share. Russia was the only left-over for the Lebensraum desires of the Germans. Tough luck.

'Pushing out of Europe' is not equal to killing. It's a logistical operation, not a homocidal one.

I'm still waiting for evidence that Hitler and his regime actually had a plan to ship the Jews east and resettle them in Russia.

I imagine that if they came around to rounding the Jews up, putting them into camps, eagerly awaiting the conquest of Russia, that the Germans would have well developed plans for this resettlement. Should be easy enough for you to come up with a couple of list, which would detail the names and number of Jews to be resettled, places where this resettlement would take place, building plans for the houses in which they would be resettled. Lists of building materials required for this program. Man hours allocated for these projects.

Should be a piece of cake to provide me with at least a little evidence (from the above list) that Hitler was really planning to resettle the Jews and that it's not just your interpretation of what Hitler said, in order to whitewash the atrocity that was the Holocaust.

 

[Simon39759]

It seems likely to me that, indeed, Hitler was hoping for the Jews to leave the country, at first, in Madagascar, for example.
Then he realized that the Jews did not express much eager at the idea of abandoning their country and then the war broke up, and this plan was deemed unrealistic. By that time, the Germans had these camps in the East where they had put their political prisoners and the Nazi decided to put the Jews there instead. Of course, the camps in question were tiny compared to the population of European Jews and, of course, they had to be empty by the time the war was over and the German colonization process would begin... In short, they needed a vast amount of people to 'disappear' from these camps...
Guess how they achieved that?

 

[carlitos]

Hitler wanted to push the Jews out of Europe by resettling them in Russia? I just looked at my globe, and it tells me that Russia is in Europe.

 

[Toke]

Hitler wanted to push the Jews out of Europe by resettling them in Russia? I just looked at my globe, and it tells me that Russia is in Europe.

Europe ends at the Ural mountains, there are plenty land on the other side.
I don't see any evidence of the resettlement efforts or preparation for it.
Like a treaty with Stalin regarding population movement.

 

[carlitos]

Well, I'm sure that the specifics will be posted and linked here, then...

 

[Toke]

Well, I'm sure that the specifics will be posted and linked here, then...

Yes of course, 9/11 is getting the treaty translated for us as we speak.

 

[carlitos]

What was that about diaries? According to Die Zeit, January 9, 1998:

Bezüglich der Judenfrage ist der Führer entschlossen, reinen Tisch zu machen. Er hat den Juden prophezeit, daß, wenn sie noch einmal einen Weltkrieg herbeiführen würden, sie dabei ihre Vernichtung erleben würden. Das ist keine Phrase gewesen. Der Weltkrieg ist da, die Vernichtung des Judentums muß die notwendige Folge sein.

With respect of the Jewish Question, the Führer has decided to make a clean sweep. He prophesied to the Jews that if they again brought about a world war, they would live to see their annihilation in it. That wasn't just a catch-word. The world war is here, and the annihilation of the Jews must be the necessary consequence.

 

[Toke]

Holocaust were not the first or last genocide in history, so I don't see why it should be so hard to believe, unless somebody really don't want to.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Ever wondered who these revisionists are?

Here is a compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6CMS7AWbwg

The Revisionists - men & women of heart and soul

 

[Amazer]

Ever wondered who these revisionists are?

Here is a compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6CMS7AWbwg

The Revisionists - men & women of heart and soul

FYI, i didn't... still don't... don't particularly care either.

Much more interested in FINALLY seeing some evidence that back up your assertions. I hope that you won't keep us waiting too long.

 

[redstar1970]

Ever wondered who these revisionists are?

They are pseudohistorians and anti-Semites. That is all anyone needs to know about them.

 

[Trojan]

Ever wondered who these revisionists are?

Here is a compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6CMS7AWbwg

The Revisionists - men & women of heart and soul

Abandoning all hope of argument, we are now treated with an appeal to authority.

 

[Skeptic]

The Revisionists - men & women of heart and soul

But, significantly, no brains or mind.

From Kurt Vonnegut's Mother Night:

The truth of your leader, August Krapptauer, and those like him...
will be with mankind forever...
as long as there are men and women
who listen to their guts...
instead of their minds.

"Krapptauer" doesn't actually mean anything in German, but, Vonnegut being Vonnegut, I'm quite sure what it sounds like in English is supposed to describe the character, an American Fascist leader.

 

[Nonpareil]

Ever wondered who these revisionists are?

Here is a compilation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6CMS7AWbwg

The Revisionists - men & women of heart and soul

I take it, then, that you admit yourself utterly incapable of continuing your argument in light of the complete and utter, total and abject lack of evidence on your side?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Abandoning all hope of argument, we are now treated with an appeal to authority.

I just post a link to a video so that interested lurkers can get an idea of who these revisionists are without making any argument or appeal whatsoever. And then you claim I make 'an appeal to authority'. You can be a weirdo at times Trojan, maybe I am taking you too seriously and do you belong to the league of Pure_Argent after all.

 

[9/11-investigator]

But, significantly, no brains or mind.

From Kurt Vonnegut's Mother Night:

"Krapptauer" doesn't actually mean anything in German, but, Vonnegut being Vonnegut, I'm quite sure what it sounds like in English is supposed to describe the character, an American Fascist leader.

Talking about Vonnegut, he did not just write fiction about Craptauer: You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr

Vonnegut narrowly escaped death during the Dresden attack. My own deported father was brought to what was left of Dresden to help dealing with the consequences of that barbarous attack.

The holocaust happened. At least in Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And in the Ukraine.

According to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of last June...

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit

KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) -- A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.

The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.

Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was "a farce" to press the case.

“All organizers of the Great Famine are dead," he said.

Yes Feldman, we know they are all dead. But the likes of you are pressing the holocaust in our face on a daily basis like a spoiled cream pie, a holocaust that did not happen while a decade before it was the likes of you that organized a real holocaust amongst small Ukrainian farmers that refused to abandon their farms and work for collectivised communist farms.

In the light of this it is becoming clearer by the day that the noble Soviet/US-Allies had to invent a holocaust to whitewash their own crimes.

But it's all coming out Feldman.

"Feldman believes there is a danger that the “Holodomor Affair” materials are being used for political purposes"

Your fear is justified Feldman. Now we are going to 'holocaust you back', propagandistically that is.

It is no surprise that David Duke has taken refuge in the Ukraine. Euro-Americans who prefer to live in a European society (and that's the majority) should also seriously consider coming home to Greater Europe as long as it is still possible before the US will turn in a Soviet-Union after a second staged 9/11.

 

[Amazer]

Talking about Vonnegut, he did not just write fiction about Craptauer: You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr

Vonnegut narrowly escaped death during the Dresden attack.

The holocaust happened. At least in Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And in the Ukraine.

According to the Jewish Telegraph Agency of last June...

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/15/1005888/jewish-group-objects-to-holodomor-lawsuit

KIEV, Ukraine (JTA) -- A Jewish group in Ukraine is objecting to a criminal case brought over the "Great Famine" committed in the 1930s.

The nation's security service is pressing the case against a list of former Soviet officials accused of committing the Holodomor, which caused the deaths of millions in Ukraine in 1932-33. Most of the names on the list were Jewish.

Ukrainian lawmaker Aleksandr Feldman, leader of the Ukrainian Jewish Committee, said last week that it was "a farce" to press the case.

“All organizers of the Great Famine are dead," he said.

Yes Feldman, we know they are all dead. But the likes of you are pressing the holocaust in our face on a daily basis like a spoiled cream pie, a holocaust that did not happen while a decade before it was the likes of you that organized a real holocaust amongst small Ukrainian farmers that refused to abandon their farms and work for collectivised communist farms.

In the light of this it is becoming clearer by the day that the noble Allies had to invent a holocaust to whitewash their own crimes.

But it's all coming out Feldman.

"Feldman believes there is a danger that the “Holodomor Affair” materials are being used for political purposes"

Your fear is justified Feldman. Now we are going to 'holocaust you back', propagandistically that is.

It is no surprise that David Duke has taken refuge in the Ukraine. Euro-Americans who prefer to live in a European society (and that's the majority) should seriously consider coming home to Greater Europe as long as it is still possible before the US will turn in a Soviet-Union after a second staged 9/11.

Great, more empty rhetoric!

Can you present some evidence to back up your claims? Or are you going to continue bombarding us with these useless (lots of opinion/no evidence) articles?