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I'm still waiting for that "infinite interpolation" powered toaster.
Wait, so you expect everyone else to develop this “technology” based on your fantasies and misunderstandings for you?
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I'm still waiting for that "infinite interpolation" powered toaster.
Wait, so you expect everyone else to develop this “technology” based on your fantasies and misunderstandings for you?
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No. I am waiting to the scholars that will be skillful AND opened to OM's paradigm.
You are not one of them The Man, and so are the rest of the posters that replied in this thread for the last year.
Maybe it will happen after I am a fertilizer to some tree in some graveyard, so it does not matter if I’ll see or not see it in my life.
EDIT: Your demand to see a working technology immediately after some theory is developed clearly shows that you do not understand how real science works.
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Another OM contradiction.
No problem Doron, I am quite happy at simply being skillful, as opposed to the skillful and credulous that you would require.
Maybe the sun will turn into Swiss cheese, equally as likely.
Sorry Doron, wrong again, I have been in technology the majority of my career including research, design and development.
Your “theory” (which it is certainly not) is anything but developed. That you simply refuse to actually develop your notions yet expect some vague and mysterious “technology” to come from them, as well as simply expecting others to just accept (or as you put it “get”) your contradictory assertions, certainly demonstrates “that you do not understand how real science works”.
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Congratulations Doron on noting edits to your posts
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doronshadmi
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Again:
All along this thread ( right from post #1 http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125220 ) I try to open your minds to the important connection between Entropy and Complexity, but you, the posters of this thread, simply refuse to get anything that is beyond the edge of your nose.
Wrong.
By using a local-only reasoning you simply refuse to actually develop your notions.
Sorry The Man, wrong again, you have been in technology the majority of your career including research, design and development that are based on local-only reasoning.
All along this thread you demonstrated your inability to get anything that is not based on local-only reasoning, no more no less.
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You might have a better shot at it Doron if you actually understood what those words “Entropy and Complexity” mean or could at least give some self consistent and non contradictory meaning to your use of them
Wrong again, designs I’ve developed are used around the world, some may even be bringing the electricity to you so you can make such erroneous posts.
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Again the contradiction is a direct result of your will to get everything only in terms of local-only reasoning, where in your case it is also limited only to finite frameworks.
You miss the point.
Nobody says that local-only reasoning that is based on finite interpolation\extrapolation, does not work.
I am talking about designs that will be based on infinite interpolation\extrapolation in addition to the current finite technology.
You simply can't get these new ideas that are not limited to your local-only-finite box.
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So develop your “theory” and such “designs”, you’ve had what, 30 years Doron. Oh and yes we are saying that “local-only reasoning that is based on finite interpolation\extrapolation, does not work” because it just words you strung together into nonsensical gibberish.
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It would be very unfair to call it a journal. It is a conference proceeding for a third-rate conference. Doron and Moshe have been known to seek out those conferences where the acceptance criterion for presentations is how soon you get your abstract in, not its content.
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So, doron, how does this organic logic work? You know, where the formula "A AND NOT A" can be a true statement.
The truth tables for NOT and for AND should be sufficient to derive the rest. Please tell us about those two. Here, I'll get you started:
[TABLE=head]A || NOT A
T || F
F || T[/TABLE]
[TABLE=head]A | NOT A || A AND NOT A
T | F || F
F | T || F[/table]
Oh, dear! That didn't quite work out right for organic logic, did it. Please provide any corrections so we can all understand.
ETA: I left out a step. I apologize. Between the two tables above there should have been this:
[TABLE=head]A | B || A AND B
T | T ||T
F | T || F
T | F || F
F | F || F[/table]
The truth tables for NOT and for AND should be sufficient to derive the rest. Please tell us about those two. Here, I'll get you started:
[TABLE=head]A || NOT A
T || F
F || T[/TABLE]
[TABLE=head]A | NOT A || A AND NOT A
T | F || F
F | T || F[/table]
Oh, dear! That didn't quite work out right for organic logic, did it. Please provide any corrections so we can all understand.
ETA: I left out a step. I apologize. Between the two tables above there should have been this:
[TABLE=head]A | B || A AND B
T | T ||T
F | T || F
T | F || F
F | F || F[/table]
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Yeah, I suspected as much, but didn't want to be too harsh without proper research.
Let me spare doron from responding:
<doron mode>
That is valid only in your limited local-only reasoning. In my world, I decide whether A and B are local or not. Also, the rules are not strict, I can do whatever I please, since it's my world. HA!
You just can't get <insert link to random doron post>
You all can't get <insert another>
<insert a random string of words containing, but not limited to: complexity, atom, entropy, local, point, line, edgeless, finite, infinite, non-finite, non-infinite, interpolation, extrapolation>
</doron mode>
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/16542245/OMPT pages 26-29.
NXOR for Non-locality
[TABLE=head]A | B || A NXOR B
F | F ||T
T | F || F
F | T || F
T | T || T[/table]
XOR for Locality
[TABLE=head]A | B || A XOR B
F | F ||F
T | F || T
F | T || T
T | T || F[/table]
A=(XOR connective) OR (NXOR connective)
[TABLE=head]A || NOT A
XOR || NXOR
NXOR || XOR[/TABLE]
[TABLE=head]A | NOT A || A AND NOT A
XOR | NXOR || F
NXOR | XOR || F[/table]
By this table we get the logical basis of the independency of the Non-local atomic state from the Local atomic state, and vice versa.
[TABLE=head]A | NOT A || A AND NOT A
XOR | NXOR || T
NXOR | XOR || T[/table]
By this table we get the logical basis of the existence of (for example) a segment, which is not totally Local AND non totally Non-local.
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I really started to develop OM only 7 years ago, during internet dialogs both with professional and non-professional persons. Still it does not matter how much time (even a lifetime) one develops his\her theory, it can be found useful many years after the developer is dead, so you are using here a very week argument that again demonstrates your ignorance of how real science is developed during the years.The Man said:
As for segments, they are exactly elements that are not totally local (they are not a point) AND not totally non-local (they are not an edgeless line).
The realm of such elements enables the existence of infinite interpolation\extrapolation.
For example, please show me a totally accurate location in our physical realm, or totally non-accurate location in our physical realm.
You will not find them in the physical realm, but you will find them in the abstract realm of ideas.
Complexity is developed by using both abstract and non-abstract realms, so from this comprehensive view, any result is based on the abstract AND the non-abstract, such that the abstract notions of today can become the non-abstract technology of tomorrow.
As for your designs that are based on Electricity, a better understanding of electrons may be used for better developments of Electric technology, and by QM we know that an electron is like a segment that is not entirely particle (local) and not entirely wave (non-local).
OM, by using Non-locality\Locality linkage enables to understand better the real nature of electrons, by using infinite interpolation\extrapolation (the non-local signature of this linkage) in addition to finite interpolation\extrapolation (the local signature of this linkage), where no one of them is total under Non-locality\Locality Linkage.
Furthermore, concepts like Superposition, Uncertainty, Redundancy, Randomness, Locality, Non-locality, Finite, Infinite, Complexity, Serial, Parallel, etc… are all based on a one comprehensive model of the linkage between the non-local and local aspects of a one atomic state, where an atom is both existing AND empty (of any sub-things) thing.
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This is probably a worthless effort, but I'll give it a try nonetheless:
Doron, try to be honest with yourself: what would make you realize that your theory as you refer to it has no mathematical foundations? what kind of proof would make you arrive to this conclusion? if you can write this clearly, I am sure myself and the other posters in this thread will gladly accept and address this challenge.
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This is probably a worthless effort, but I'll give it a try nonetheless:
sympathic, try to be honest with yourself: what making you realize that OM has no mathematical foundations? what kind of proof would make you to avoid this conclusion? if you can write this clearly, I am sure myself and the other posters in this thread will gladly accept and address this challenge.
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I have enough proof to convince myself that OM has no foundation. The 160 pages of this thread as well as probably tens of thousands of posts elsewhere on the internet clearly show that you simply do not understand math.
Now, again: try to be honest with yourself and think, instead of copying, pasting and bouncing back posts to others.
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Please give a concrete example.
Without it your post does not hold water.
EDIT: For example, how about http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5254385&postcount=6394?
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I will not, because you can not accept the possibility that OM has no foundation and no utility. I was right this effort was worthless.
Mathematics is not your private realm and is not open to interpretations. While some mathematical works are truly works of art, maths is not liberal art, it is not philosophy either. This is why math departments in every university (even the ones you think accept your OM) are always part of the exact sciences faculty and not the arts faculty (as philosophy). While some of your ideas may seem philosophical, they have no mathematical foundation.
You are an artist Doron Shadmi, your nice drawings clearly show this. You are not a mathematician (not even an amateur one) and probably never will be.
The internet is swamped with evidence for your lack of understanding in maths, and reluctance to learn maths. No one will ever take you seriously - even after you are long gone.
You are wasting your time if you wish to contribute in any way to maths.
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