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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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paximperium said:
So what is a zealot atheist? Do tell.
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Still waiting.

Since your pathetic attempt at "explaining" what this is by presenting a strawman and moving goalpost has been shown to be a lie, would you like to actually answer this question?
 
Elizabeth I said:
And what about websites like Rapture Ready and Coast to Coast?

People here are willing to entertain evidence. Fundamentalists are not.
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Exactly my point, people who change are open to input, JREF is open to inpiut, therefore it is more likely to find the type of person we are discussing on JREF. Naturally findies are rigid, but that is something I can understand as they have a warped reality (and I am not meaning their core faith) but in my opinion their narrow perception of anything other than their faith makes objectivity useless to them. But the full on atheist is just as scary, makes me wonder why they care given they do not believe.
 
sonofgloin said:
Exactly my point, people who change are open to input, JREF is open to inpiut, therefore it is more likely to find the type of person we are discussing on JREF. Naturally findies are rigid, but that is something I can understand as they have a warped reality (and I am not meaning their core faith) but in my opinion their narrow perception of anything other than their faith makes objectivity useless to them. But the full on atheist is just as scary, makes me wonder why they care given they do not believe.
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Ahhhh, you could have actually asked instead of playing this bigoted game.

Why should I or any atheist care? I don't really care what people believe except for:
1)The children killed by their parents who pray instead of taking them to a hospital.
2)Fundies pushing their nonsense into classrooms and forcing schools to teach nonsense.
3)Theist forcing their irrational morality via legislation and into the courts of law.
4)Theist starting wars because of religions beliefs
etc etc etc.
Sorry if I actually care about human civilization and my fellow man.
 
Pax, I wondered why you keep on about the validity of Christ's life and death in reference to me. The term "it's a statement of fact" did not relate to the validity of Christ, but a statement of fact on my opinion of the thought Waterford had posted, and as I have said I was on a tangent not the theme.

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Long winded perhaps but not snarky, it is a statement of fact. It is no accomplishment to draw the obvious observation that the Jesus followers failed in their faith given they needed the re assurance of seeing that Jesus was still around after they watched him perish. But as I added as another scenario also based on no factual evidence:
 
paximperium said:
Ahhhh, you could have actually asked instead of playing this bigoted game.

Why should I or any atheist care? I don't really care what people believe except for:
1)The children killed by their parents who pray instead of taking them to a hospital.
2)Fundies pushing their nonsense into classrooms and forcing schools to teach nonsense.
3)Theist forcing their irrational morality via legislation and into the courts of law.
4)Theist starting wars because of religions beliefs
etc etc etc.
Sorry if I actually care about human civilization and my fellow man.
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If I may add a couple Pax

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes

Your right Pax without religion our wonderfull giving natures would deliver us paradise.:D
 
sonofgloin said:
Your right Pax without religion our wonderfull giving natures would deliver us paradise.:D
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No but it is one less harmful thing to worry about.

It seems your entire system of arguments involve building strawman. It's not surprising coming from you.
Do you actually have any balls to present an actual argument or do you just enjoy playing with your little straw figurines?
 
paximperium said:
Thanks showing what sort of person you are.
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Once again Pax in my observation you meander from your own course, you are assuming that I am a christian, and given that you use my unmoved attitude to your "crusade for truth statement" as a negative to the type of christian I may be. I have mentioned several times what I believe is private. If I were a fundie and kept pushing my thoughts onto you, you would complain. I say do what you want I have no opinion and you complain. You like the fundies want compliance. So if I get rid of the fundies and get you how am I (a consider all options sort of guy) better off, it's yourway or the highway, just like the fundies.
 
sonofgloin said:
So if I get rid of the fundies and get you how am I (a consider all options sort of guy) better off, it's yourway or the highway, just like the fundies.
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I've not read this whole thread but I've not seen Pax assert that his views are inherently better than yours. Or given you any reason to think that if he were king of the hill he would force societal compliance with his own views.

I'm not defending Pax's views. Hell, he might be the biggest scuz bucket on the planet. But I cannot see where he's asserted that everyone else should be in that same bucket.
 
sonofgloin said:
Give me a break Bob, all laws that evolved from a Judeo/Christian Abrahamic foundation (and thoe societies are the ones you mentioned) started with the ten commandments at their base as their guide to anti social behaviour.
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So the Romans, for example, wouldn't have had laws against murder, theft or perjury?
 
sonofgloin said:
Once again Pax in my observation you meander from your own course, you are assuming that I am a christian, and given that you use my unmoved attitude to your "crusade for truth statement" as a negative to the type of christian I may be. I have mentioned several times what I believe is private.
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I don't much care what you believe. I have this sneaking suspicions you're one of those wishy-washy post modernist wannabee agnostic idiots.
If I were a fundie and kept pushing my thoughts onto you, you would complain. I say do what you want I have no opinion and you complain.
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No. You speak garbage, I complain. You start to make up crap and I complain.
You like the fundies want compliance. So if I get rid of the fundies and get you how am I (a consider all options sort of guy) better off, it's yourway or the highway, just like the fundies.
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Did I mention something about strawmen? Yeah, you can't argue without it. How lame and pathetic.
 
SezMe said:
I've not read this whole thread but I've not seen Pax assert that his views are inherently better than yours. Or given you any reason to think that if he were king of the hill he would force societal compliance with his own views.

I'm not defending Pax's views. Hell, he might be the biggest scuz bucket on the planet. But I cannot see where he's asserted that everyone else should be in that same bucket.
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You know him better than I given I have been on JREF for five minutes, but debasing tactics such as his mission statement "I detest liars and dishonest debaters. Sorry if I care about honesty and truth", is a deceitful two pronged attack on the character of the interlocutor. He is stating "I am a paragon of virtue and you are as excrement is to the rose". Fundies consider you and your opinion worthless, in fact they do not listen to it, similiarly Pax has mis read plain english of no more than a couple of lines regularly through our correspondence. He has chosen a stance thats fine, but I will not openely debate mine and he does not like it. I have told him I am a slave to physics but who knows there could be more. Pax is comfortable with compliance or combat, I offer him neither.
 
SezMe said:
I've not read this whole thread but I've not seen Pax assert that his views are inherently better than yours. Or given you any reason to think that if he were king of the hill he would force societal compliance with his own views.
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Yup. I basically don't care what others believe. They can believe the most absurd thing they want. What I do care about is if they force others to believe via legislation or law or if they demand others believe or respect their beliefs. What I do care is if their stupid beliefs cause harm to others.

Sorry, I don't respect stupid or harmful things. I don't respect nonsense that is peddled as truth. There is no "live and let live" when it comes to that. If someone says something wrong, don't expect me to shut up about it.
I'm not defending Pax's views. Hell, he might be the biggest scuz bucket on the planet. But I cannot see where he's asserted that everyone else should be in that same bucket.
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I am basically an ass. I don't apologize for it.
 
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sonofgloin said:
If I may add a couple Pax

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens
Bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens
Girls in white dresses with blue satin sashes
Snowflakes that stay on my nose and eyelashes

Your right Pax without religion our wonderfull giving natures would deliver us paradise.:D
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Dude, you rebutted a serious answer with sarcastic nonsense and a strawman. Please try to give logical debate beyond "Nuh ah". Like Pax (I'm assuming) I care because religious dogmatic thinking does demonstrable harm to myself, my friends, complete strangers that I don't know and society in general.
 
AdinDraco said:
Dude, you rebutted a serious answer with sarcastic nonsense and a strawman. Please try to give logical debate beyond "Nuh ah". Like Pax (I'm assuming) I care because religious dogmatic thinking does demonstrable harm to myself, my friends, complete strangers that I don't know and society in general.
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I agree but the muse overtook me.
 
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