UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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try to keep up old chap, hes now claiming that all UFOs are aliens
;):D
My bad, the part I skipped over must have included the recently discovered fabulous evidence that changed his position (UFO's exist,nothing more, nothing less).:D
 
UFO: CIRCULAR, pancake shaped (blimp: CIGAR shaped)
Outline of a blimp pointing directly toward you: CIRCULAR
Shape of one of the two drawings: CIGAR shaped (or dare I say BLIMP shaped?)
UFO: 25-35 feet in diameter (blimp: HUGE in comparison)
Difference in apperance of a 30 ft object at 1 mile and a 60 ft object at two miles: NONE
UFO: Speed of a jet plane (how fast does the Goodyear blimp go again?)
Speed of an object that is of unknown size at unknown distance seen against the sky with no other objects to relate to: UNKNOWABLE
UFO: No sound (how does the blimp propel itself again?)
You've never seen and aircraft in the sky without hearing its engines? Remarkable.
UFO: "rotation about the vertical axis" (blimp: I’d like to see that…)
If it has a rudder, yes, you likely could see that.
UFO: FLAT, smooth underside (blimp curved, lots of protuberances)
Perhaps the one who reported this was mistaken? No, that could not be, we know exactly how eywitness testimony is inaccurate (though you cannot give us any references for that "fact."
The witness descriptions also lack the features a blimp DOES have:

BLIMP: Bottom and horizontal fins (UFO: None)
BLIMP: Gondola (UFO: None)
BLIMP: Engines (UFO: None)
BLIMP: Trailing tether lines (UFO: None)
And all of these are visible from all angles. Wow Cubist vision!
BLIMP: BIG sign on side stating “Good Year” - some with flashing neon lights too! (UFO: No markings whatsoever)
The sign said "Goodrich" and they were thought they would lose credibility if they reported it.
 
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Forgive me for butting in with an old quote, but is there a point to this thread? As far as I know , there is not a single person here who disputes your contention that UFO's exist. Since you are not claiming the existence of ET's, or aliens, or super advanced unknown earth beings, merely that some things that are seen in the sky haven't been identified, you are in complete agreement with the skeptics here. You might have issues with KoA, though.
It seems like that RR takes offense that the notion that unidentified includes the fact that it could be mundane.
 
To clear up some points...

I have presented overwhelming evidence to support the case that the Rogue River object was not a blimp or any other mundane object anyone can think of.

The Rogue River object was a UFO and I have described it as such.

I have presented the Iranian UFO case as evidential support for my contention that “Aliens exist”.

I have stated clearly and in no uncertain terms that this case, on its’ own does not prove “aliens exist”, it merely adds weight to a number of other observations (data points) that support that contention.

The statement “Extraordinary hypotheses (or claims) require extraordinary evidence” is a logical fallacy and I have presented overwhelming evidence to show exactly why that is so.

An “incongruous entity” is not exclusive of the contention “All hypothses are a priori equal”.

The Iranian UFO exhibited many characteristics that preclude mundane explanations – including shape, speed, manoeuvrability and the ability to join and split apart.

Many of the accounts of the Iranian UFO come from quoting first-hand eyewitness testimony.

The Rogue River case has shown that eyewitness testimony can be largely consistent both within the individual reports and between individual reporters.

The Iraqi “Weapons of Mass Destruction” case was not a mistake… it was a deliberate, fabricated deception designed to fool the American public into believing that they should participate in an attack on a sovereign nation.

People posting in this thread contend that UFO means Unidentified “only from the perspective of the observer”. This is at odds with the correct conception of a UFO being unknown even in the face of research that has the benefit of knowledge of a complete range of possible mundane events. That is, the skeptics want to pretend that they agree with me that UFOs exist while actually believing that ALL UFOs, if only we had the correct details in the case would be explained as mundane events.

There are MANY details in the Iranian UFO case that preclude a mundane explanation – especially a conclusion that it was a” man made craft piloted by humans”. For example: “…as he continued in his turn away from the primary object the second object went to the inside of his turn then returned to the primary object for a perfect rejoin. Shortly after the second object joined up with the primary object another object appeared to come out of the other side of the primary object going straight down, at a great rate of speed.” Is just ONE example showing human to be involvement HIGHLY implausible.

And WHAT other possibilities might explain the event?

The links I posted actually WORKED the first time around…and the second…and so on… it was only the penultimate couple of attempts that did NOT work…and the final post DID work, so this shows that Jocce at least with his statement “Don't get all high and mighty. They were'nt even working the first time. I found them anyway and downloaded them.” Is not bothering to read the evidence posted in at least some of my posts.

I am certainly NOT claiming all UFOs are aliens. That is a fallacious conclusion that is nowhere supported in any of my posts.

I contend that “aliens” are alien to our conception of reality.
 
I have presented overwhelming evidence to support the case that the Rogue River object was not a blimp or any other mundane object anyone can think of.

The Rogue River object was a UFO and I have described it as such.

And nobody is still denying it.

I have presented the Iranian UFO case as evidential support for my contention that “Aliens exist”.

I have stated clearly and in no uncertain terms that this case, on its’ own does not prove “aliens exist”, it merely adds weight to a number of other observations (data points) that support that contention.

The statement “Extraordinary hypotheses (or claims) require extraordinary evidence” is a logical fallacy and I have presented overwhelming evidence to show exactly why that is so.

Nope, you're wrong there. You continue to say it even though "You saying so doesn't make it so."

An “incongruous entity” is not exclusive of the contention “All hypothses are a priori equal”.

The Iranian UFO exhibited many characteristics that preclude mundane explanations – including shape, speed, manoeuvrability and the ability to join and split apart.

Many of the accounts of the Iranian UFO come from quoting first-hand eyewitness testimony.

So... anecdotes then. That's your proof of aliens. M'kay.

The Rogue River case has shown that eyewitness testimony can be largely consistent both within the individual reports and between individual reporters.

The Iraqi “Weapons of Mass Destruction” case was not a mistake… it was a deliberate, fabricated deception designed to fool the American public into believing that they should participate in an attack on a sovereign nation.

People posting in this thread contend that UFO means Unidentified “only from the perspective of the observer”. This is at odds with the correct conception of a UFO being unknown even in the face of research that has the benefit of knowledge of a complete range of possible mundane events. That is, the skeptics want to pretend that they agree with me that UFOs exist while actually believing that ALL UFOs, if only we had the correct details in the case would be explained as mundane events.

There are MANY details in the Iranian UFO case that preclude a mundane explanation – especially a conclusion that it was a” man made craft piloted by humans”. For example: “…as he continued in his turn away from the primary object the second object went to the inside of his turn then returned to the primary object for a perfect rejoin. Shortly after the second object joined up with the primary object another object appeared to come out of the other side of the primary object going straight down, at a great rate of speed.” Is just ONE example showing human to be involvement HIGHLY implausible.

And aliens are plausible. M'kay.

And WHAT other possibilities might explain the event?

Which ones have been presented to you already, including the fallability of witnesses?

The links I posted actually WORKED the first time around…and the second…and so on… it was only the penultimate couple of attempts that did NOT work…and the final post DID work, so this shows that Jocce at least with his statement “Don't get all high and mighty. They were'nt even working the first time. I found them anyway and downloaded them.” Is not bothering to read the evidence posted in at least some of my posts.

I am certainly NOT claiming all UFOs are aliens. That is a fallacious conclusion that is nowhere supported in any of my posts.

I contend that “aliens” are alien to our conception of reality.

And aliens from alternate reality are more plausible than mundane explanations. M'kay.
 
Outline of a blimp pointing directly toward you: CIRCULAR
Shape of one of the two drawings: CIGAR shaped (or dare I say BLIMP shaped?)

Difference in apperance of a 30 ft object at 1 mile and a 60 ft object at two miles: NONE

Speed of an object that is of unknown size at unknown distance seen against the sky with no other objects to relate to: UNKNOWABLE

You've never seen and aircraft in the sky without hearing its engines? Remarkable.

If it has a rudder, yes, you likely could see that.

Perhaps the one who reported this was mistaken? No, that could not be, we know exactly how eywitness testimony is inaccurate (though you cannot give us any references for that "fact."

And all of these are visible from all angles. Wow Cubist vision!

The sign said "Goodrich" and they were thought they would lose credibility if they reported it.

I challenge you then to read the report on the case to be found at (http://www.brumac.8k.com/Rogue/RogueRiver2.htm) and then come back to me with your objections.

One point: it is well known that distance estimates are highly fallible when observing an object in a clear blue sky. The estimated size was based on the fact that the object had some size, even to the naked eye it was not an unresolvable point, and thus through binoculars it would have been even clearer to describe the characteristics observed.

But the point is that ultimately it gets down to arguing over which characteristics of the reported object are believably reported, or which characteristics will one accept as likely to be true, and these must be compared with the "Candidate Explanatory Hypotheses" which is the set of potential explanations. Blimp is a CEH. So is "bird", "kite" (radar kite) and anything else you can think of after ruling out true impossibilities such as locomotive, meteor, Venus, battleship, car, flying carrot, panther, etc. Most things that exist are thus not even potential CEH's. One must simply stick with the CEH's that have the most characteristics that match the characteristic of the reported object/phenomenon. "Blimp" falls short of this test of potential candidates on a number of described object characteristics.
 
I have presented overwhelming evidence to support the case that the Rogue River object was not a blimp or any other mundane object anyone can think of.
Only in your own mind.

The Rogue River object was a UFO and I have described it as such.
Agreed.

I have presented the Iranian UFO case as evidential support for my contention that “Aliens exist”.
I'm sure you did but I'm not convinced that it is.

I have stated clearly and in no uncertain terms that this case, on its’ own does not prove “aliens exist”, it merely adds weight to a number of other observations (data points) that support that contention.
Since I don't have access to those other data points I can't evaluate them.

The statement “Extraordinary hypotheses (or claims) require extraordinary evidence” is a logical fallacy and I have presented overwhelming evidence to show exactly why that is so.
It has nothing to do with logic. It's just the way people function. Get around more people and you too will learn.

An “incongruous entity” is not exclusive of the contention “All hypothses are a priori equal”.
Dunno what incongruous entity is

The Iranian UFO exhibited many characteristics that preclude mundane explanations – including shape, speed, manoeuvrability and the ability to join and split apart.
But it fits with the characteristics an alien ship would show? How do you know? How many have you examined?

Many of the accounts of the Iranian UFO come from quoting first-hand eyewitness testimony.
Not shown.

The Rogue River case has shown that eyewitness testimony can be largely consistent both within the individual reports and between individual reporters.
Only in your own mind.

The Iraqi “Weapons of Mass Destruction” case was not a mistake… it was a deliberate, fabricated deception designed to fool the American public into believing that they should participate in an attack on a sovereign nation.
Oh, you're a truther too. Go figure...or better yet, go find some proof and bug the guys in the conspiracy subforum.

People posting in this thread contend that UFO means Unidentified “only from the perspective of the observer”. This is at odds with the correct conception of a UFO being unknown even in the face of research that has the benefit of knowledge of a complete range of possible mundane events. That is, the skeptics want to pretend that they agree with me that UFOs exist while actually believing that ALL UFOs, if only we had the correct details in the case would be explained as mundane events.
UFO=Unidentified Flying Object. It's not really that hard to understand. Stop redefining words, it only makes you look silly.

There are MANY details in the Iranian UFO case that preclude a mundane explanation – especially a conclusion that it was a” man made craft piloted by humans”. For example: “…as he continued in his turn away from the primary object the second object went to the inside of his turn then returned to the primary object for a perfect rejoin. Shortly after the second object joined up with the primary object another object appeared to come out of the other side of the primary object going straight down, at a great rate of speed.” Is just ONE example showing human to be involvement HIGHLY implausible.
And you have access to information saying that these are typical characteristics of alien ships? Wanna share them?

And WHAT other possibilities might explain the event?
Been there, done that. Read previous replies.

The links I posted actually WORKED the first time around…and the second…and so on… it was only the penultimate couple of attempts that did NOT work…and the final post DID work, so this shows that Jocce at least with his statement “Don't get all high and mighty. They were'nt even working the first time. I found them anyway and downloaded them.” Is not bothering to read the evidence posted in at least some of my posts.
Bullocks, I've been reading every single thing you linked thoroughly. You find proof of that in the posts I've made. Stop accusing me and others of not reading or understanding just because we don't agree with you. Got hubris much?

I am certainly NOT claiming all UFOs are aliens. That is a fallacious conclusion that is nowhere supported in any of my posts.
Agreed.

I contend that “aliens” are alien to our conception of reality.
Ok.
 
I have presented overwhelming evidence to support the case that the Rogue River object was not a blimp or any other mundane object anyone can think of.

No you haven't.

You decided that it wasn't a blimp because then it would mean it's not alien.

Unfortunately the first thing that comes to mind when looking as the sketches and reading the descriptions is "blimp". Only a fool would think that you would otherwise see all the blimp's details at that distance, or be able to ascertain its size and speel. Assuming it was a blimp, of course.
 
One must simply stick with the CEH's that have the most characteristics that match the characteristic of the reported object/phenomenon. "Blimp" falls short of this test of potential candidates on a number of described object characteristics.
Alien ship falls shorter cause they're full of blinking lights and really really bright. I can show you a report from Iran that proves it.
 
I have presented overwhelming evidence to support the case that the Rogue River object was not a blimp or any other mundane object anyone can think of.


Obviously your evidence isn't compelling enough to convince another single soul here. Or maybe you don't possess the necessary communication skills to present it effectively. Or maybe you're just plain wrong, which seems to be the consensus view among the participants in this thread.

You decided that it wasn't a blimp because then it would mean it's not alien.


Now there is much compelling evidence to support that conclusion. :)
 
I challenge you then to read the report on the case to be found at (http://www.brumac.8k.com/Rogue/RogueRiver2.htm) and then come back to me with your objections.

One point: it is well known that distance estimates are highly fallible when observing an object in a clear blue sky. The estimated size was based on the fact that the object had some size, even to the naked eye it was not an unresolvable point, and thus through binoculars it would have been even clearer to describe the characteristics observed.

But the point is that ultimately it gets down to arguing over which characteristics of the reported object are believably reported, or which characteristics will one accept as likely to be true, and these must be compared with the "Candidate Explanatory Hypotheses" which is the set of potential explanations. Blimp is a CEH. So is "bird", "kite" (radar kite) and anything else you can think of after ruling out true impossibilities such as locomotive, meteor, Venus, battleship, car, flying carrot, panther, etc. Most things that exist are thus not even potential CEH's. One must simply stick with the CEH's that have the most characteristics that match the characteristic of the reported object/phenomenon. "Blimp" falls short of this test of potential candidates on a number of described object characteristics.
You don't have to challenge me, I read it all when we were still on the first page. I have read sections of it several times since. So you may not ignore my refutations on the basis of your false accusation.

It is beyond my comprehension how anyone could say the object they saw and described could not have been a blimp. So let me ask you a few questions about your "overwhelming evidence"

1. What is the apparent general shape of a blimp when observed from directly in front of it?
2. What is the apparent general shape of a blimp when it is observed from the side?
3. What is the general shape of the object in the first drawing?
4. What is the general shape of the object in the second drawing?
5. How big is an object of unknown distance when it subtends 1 degree of arc?
6. How far away is an object that is that is of unknown size when it subtends 1 degree of arc?
7. How fast is an object of unknown size, at unknown distance moving if it moves across 1 degree of arc per second?
8. What is the apparent airspeed of an unladen African Swallow when being chased by a blimp and observed through binoculars at 1 mile.

IXP
 
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What is the apparent airspeed of an unladen African Swallow when being chased by a blimp and observed through binoculars at 1 mile.

Since african swallows are not migratory, then they could not be in Oregon. However, I would love to see such a race.
 
Since african swallows are not migratory, then they could not be in Oregon. However, I would love to see such a race.
Damn, you've just proved that African Swallow was not plausible. It must have been an alien spacecraft that I saw.

IXP
 
8. What is the apparent airspeed of an unladen African Swallow when being chased by a blimp and observed through binoculars at 1 mile.


Well the swallow's top speed would probably be around 24 miles per hour, and the blimp's would exceed that by about 10 miles per hour. The swallow, having an obvious maneuvering advantage, would appear, at a distance of a mile, to be a speck of dust on the lens of the binoculars. By the time you'd try to clean off the speck and realize the lens is clean, the swallow would be gone and only the blimp would remain. Then some idiot would claim it can't be a blimp and must be aliens, because blimps don't chase African swallows in Oregon. Wait a minute, IXP, do you go trout fishing? Maybe I saw you up Klamath Falls way.
 
I dispute that your contention is that "aliens exist", acording to you, your contention is that "UFO's exist, no more, no less" a point which we all agree on. What happened to change your mind?
 
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It is quite silly to claim that you can estimate the speed or distance of an object in the sky. The only way you could estimate this is if you knew the size of the object you were looking at.
 
It is quite silly to claim that you can estimate the speed or distance of an object in the sky. The only way you could estimate this is if you knew the size of the object you were looking at.
The witnesses obviously knew it was a blimp that was twice as far away as they thought it was to be able to tell it was moving faster than a blimp... Oh hang on, no... they knew it was blimp that was twice as close as they thought it was, then it'd appear to be moving twice as fast as a blimp... but it'd be bigger... oh hang on... maybe it was... oh never mind.

I can't remember now, remind me, did any of the witnesses who DIDN'T have binoculars describe what size and shape it was?
 
The evidence against the "blimp hypothesis"

A question is posed: Could a blimp have been responsible for the Rogue River UFO sighting

The primary hypothesis for Rogue River from the skeptical camp is that “It could have been a blimp that done it". We must therefore closely examine the evidence to see if this hypothesis might be plausible.

Is it even possible for a blimp have been at Rogue River on 24th May 1949? Perhaps so:

“During WW II, lighter-than-air (LTA) craft were key components in the war against the German U-boat, flying critical convoy escort and antisubmarine warfare (ASW) patrol missions. After war’s end, blimps continued to serve in ASW and other roles, and in 1949 eight new reserve LTA patrol squadrons (ZP) were established. ZP-651 was based at NAS Akron,Ohio; ZPs 751, 752 and 753 at NAS Lakehurst,N.J.; ZP-871 at NAS Oakland, Calif.; ZP-911 at NAS Squantum, Mass.; and ZPs 951 and 952 atMCAF Santa Ana, Calif.” (http://www.history.navy.mil/nan/back...02/lighter.pdf.)​

We must consider then two candidate LTA bases on the West Coast: NAS Oakland, California (in San Francisco some 340 miles SSW of Rogue River) and MCAF Santa Ana, California (near Los Angeles some 700 miles SSW of Rogue River).

Obviously we can then rule out Santa Ana as a candidate - for what possible rationale would a Santa Ana blimp be sent 400 miles to overfly San Francisco and the Oakland base and then proceed another 300 miles to Rogue River? Remember these were ostensibly NAVY RESERVE training bases.

One must also note the location of Rogue River. This is a relatively sparsely populated region of the continental US, on the West Coast in the centre of the Siskiyou National Forest region with only one main road in and out of the region (the Oregon Coast Highway 101).

Next we note the following detailed history from the same official navy source as above which seems to show that initial statement is not completely accurate – perhaps the initial statement is merely a summary (coming as it does so early in the history) where the actual details were “skimmed over” or “lost” in order to enable a short, comprehensive summary paragraph to be written.

“The reduction in LTA following the war left ZP-12 at NAS Lakehurst and ZP-31 at NAS Santa Ana as the only active squadrons. A detachment of ZP-31 continued at NAS Moffett Field. On November 15, 1946, ZP-12 was redesignated ZP-2 and ZP-31 became ZP-1. In the summer of 1947, ZP-1 made a home port and fleet change from NAS Santa Ana in the Pacific Fleet to NAS Weeksville in the Atlantic. The change was due to the reduction of NAS Santa Ana to a maintenance status and the elimination of the ZP overhaul mission at NAS Moffett Field.” (http://www.history.navy.mil/download/lta-09.pdf)​

Moreover we have from another source:

“The squadron was relocated to MCAS El Toro in 1948” … ” “Santa Ana NAS was decommissioned by the Navy in 1949” … “For less than 2 years, the huge former Navy blimp airfield was evidently reused as a civilian airport.” … “The civilian use of the airfield ended in 1951, when the property was transferred to the Marine Corps, which renamed it as the Marine Corps Air Facility Santa Ana. According to The California State Military Museum, the station reopened during the Korean War. Blimp operations staged a brief resurrection when the Navy established a 2-blimp Naval Air Reserve Training Unit (NARTU) on April 1, 1951. The Marines arrived the next month establishing a helicopter air facility.” (http://www.airfields-freeman.com/CA/Airfields_CA_OrangeCo_SE.htm)​

So this confirms we must indeed rule out Santa Ana as a candidate LTA base – there were simply no Navy blimps at the base in 1949. Some have however argued that as the Santa Ana base continued to be used by advertising blimps (GoodYear blimps as it turns out) then one of those could have been responsible. However it beggars belief that an advertising blimp would travel 700 miles (as the crow flies) bypassing major population centres (San Francisco for one) to be sighted over a sparsely populated region of the country. Moreover, such blimps were simply not equipped for such a journey.

But what about Oakland (which is the closer of the two bases to Rogue River and was always the most likely candidate anyway)? The following documentary source provided additional information.

“Following the war, all blimp squadrons decommissioned except two which included Santa Ana's ZP 31 renamed ZP-1. Santa Ana also became an aircraft storage facility in November 1945. Finally in August 1947, the Navy relocated ZP-1 to Weeksville, N. C. and all blimp operations on the West Coast ended. On June 6, 1949, Santa Ana decommissioned becoming an OLF. For a time, the hangars were used by advertising blimps.”(http://www.militarymuseum.org/MCASTustin.html)​

This would seem to put the clincher on the argument – “Finally in August 1947, the Navy relocated ZP-1 to Weeksville, N. C. and all blimp operations on the West Coast ended.”

But it is interesting to note that Oakland has not been directly ruled out as a candidate in a specific historical document (apart from the general “…all west Coast operations ceased… of course, but skeptics are very hard to please…). So, we have from a book history:

Oakland Aviation by Ronald T. Reuther and William T. Larkins:

“Navy Reserve Squadron ZP-871 (Lighter than air) flew one after the war at Oakland from 1952 to 1958. (This photograph shows…) It was used as a slow, low-flying billboard, with the words “JOIN THE U.S. NAVAL RESERVE, BE A NAVAL AVIATION CADET” on the side.”​

So there was a blimp at Oakland – just one - but it seems it was used solely as an advertising blimp for the Navy over the city, between 1952 and1958. So again, nothing for May 1949.

Now the skeptics are extremely hard to please and despite the evidence thus far presented continued (some would say irrationally at this point) to assert “A blimp done it” (working possibly on the assumption “never let the evidence get in the way of a good story”).

So what other evidence did they present?

Well, they brought in another possible candidate LTA Navy base – Tillamook. Now it is possible there were blimps at the base in 1949 because:

“After the war, NAS Tillamook was quickly disestablished, but her facilities continued to provide staging areas for private airship companies.” (http://www.nastillamook.org/faqs/base/uses.htm)

So then the following link is used to evidence that the GoodYear blimp operation “could have done it”. (http://www.nastillamook.org/faqs/hangars/use.htm)

But under that link is a simple table:

1947 Goodyear West Coast Blimp Tour
1949-1982 Lumber Planing Mills
1952-1953 USAF Balloon Testing 1958 Balloon Launching (Cosmic Ray Research) 1963 & 1979 Coast-To-Coast Launching Point
1981-1991 Cyclocrane Development
1984 Short Take-Off & Landing Experiments
1984-Present Various Blimp Developments
1989 Government Aerostat Testing
1990 Trans-World Balloon Testing
1992-Present Aircraft Museum (Hangar B)
1994 USAF Tethered Radar Balloon Testing​

Now we must note that the Goodyear “Tour” was operational only in 1947: That is, not 1948 or 1949 - because it if was operational in those years, there would have been indication recorded in the table that it was.

Still the blimp hypothesis would not die. So what next did the skeptics argue?

They entered the following photo into the record: (http://photos.salemhistory.net/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/max&CISOPTR=749&CISOBOX=1&REC=3) which shows “This is a view from the Goodyear blimp on May 6, 1949, of Bush Pasture park before Willamette University's McCullough Stadium was built.”

Ah, so we are back to the Goodyear blimp (Note: Salem, Oregon is some 190 miles NNE of Rogue River).

So we must ask and answer the question: How fast and how far can the blimp go? From Goodyear themselves we have:

“The usual cruising speed is thirty-five miles per hour in a zero wind condition; all-out top speed is fifty-three miles per hour on the GZ20. As to cruising range: the ship can carry enough fuel to fly for twenty- four hours, although it rarely does so. When traveling cross-country the blimps fly wherever they go, and the crews try for an eight-hour day, or about 300 air miles.” (http://www.goodyearblimp.com/faqs/faqs_construction.html#speed)​

Thus it would seem to stretch credulity to its limits to suppose that a Goodyear blimp would even attempt the 190 mile journey from Salem to Rogue River. Even if conditions were absolutely perfect a one way journey would have taken upwards of 4 hours AND the whole journey would have required the blimp to travel at top speed, without a break for more than eight hours – an engineering and feat of stamina I suggest quite unlikely indeed.

But still the skeptics refused to let go!

Now they tried a distinction between Navy operations and Navy Reserve operations.

“During WW II, lighter-than-air (LTA) craft were key components in the war against the German U-boat, flying critical convoy escort and antisubmarine warfare (ASW) patrol missions. After war's end, blimps continued to serve in ASW and other roles, and in 1949 eight new reserve LTA patrol squadrons (ZP) were established. ZP-651 was based at NAS Akron, Ohio; ZPs 751, 752 and 753 at NAS Lakehurst, N.J.; ZP-871 at NAS Oakland, Calif.; ZP-911 at NAS Squantum, Mass.; and ZPs 951 and 952 at MCAF Santa Ana, Calif. These reserve ZP squadrons were even more unusual than their lighter-than-air brethren, as revealed bv a closer look at ZP-911.” (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-276238111.html)​

Now the skeptics have not read that passage as carefully as they might because contained within it is the last sentence “These reserve ZP squadrons were even more unusual than their lighter-than-air brethren…

But perhaps the statement does not mean what we think it means. Is there in fact a conflict between this statement and the statements of the official Navy history (above)?

One clue to the resolution of this apparent conflict could be the relatively imprecise date in this statement – 1949. It is certainly acknowledged that blimps were operating in the 1950s; we have evidence for that*, but 1949? I think the key term to be considered is “established” in 1949. This does not mean “became operational” in 1949. If we accept that the squadrons in question were “established” in 1949 but their operational status only reached in (as early as) 1950 then there is no conflict with official sources. But of course this does NOT put a blimp in Rogue River in May 1949.

* For example: Photographic proof that LTA squadrons were still operating in California in 1950 (http://www.bluffshoa.com/history.php).

At this point the skeptics at last ran out of ideas. Of course they did not drop the claim that it was possible for a “blimp to have done it”, but I contend that in consideration of all the evidence presented above, that it is highly unlikely that a blimp was at Rogue River on the 24th May, 1949.

Now I suppose, knowing that old saw about UFO debunkers “that they never let the evidence get in the way of a good story”, I can expect that the “blimp” hypothesis will never die – even in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.

One final note; All this is even BEFORE we have considered the sworn eyewitness testimony that describes an object that in no way substantially resembles a blimp.

I hope that will be the end of it… but why do I doubt it?
 
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