NASA Engineer (ret.) is a Twoofie?

[beachnut]

Deets waves his hands and concludes explosives. No paper, no work showing why, he just says so. What an expert to spew lies and delusions with just his own word. What in Deets past work gives him the ability to expose explosives without showing his work? He never mentioned the penthouse falling into WTC7 many seconds before the rest of WTC7 facade collapsed. When he presents his paper and does the calculations, earns a PhD in structural engineering with emphases on high-rise buildings he will stop being an idiot on WTC7 collapse and join reality.

Red bring us another failure on WTC7 issues who can't be published in a real journal for two major reasons. His ideas are fruit-loops (tasty ideas for paranoid conspiracy theorist stuck with delusions), and he only has talk and failed opinions to back up his moronic statement. No work to publish yet. Sad.

 

[stateofgrace]

Red, you are still online and are apparently ignoring my posts but would you mind answering a very simple question?

Why is his opinion so important?

 

[rwguinn]

I am trying to remember the guy. If he worked DFBW and was at NASA Flight Research Center at Edwards AFB back in the 70's I know him.
True, I was only a lowly co-op, but I'm sure I met him if he was there...

 

[Brainster]

I had forgotten that he's also an Obama "Birther" (see the comments section).

 

[Hokulele]

Clearly this guy, Dwain Deets is just a glorified keyboard jockey who has no background and knowledge in relevant fields. Would it also be fair to say that he was among the founders of the unmanned flight program?

Please list the argument that he has made that you find most compelling.

 

[rwguinn]

I am trying to remember the guy. If he worked DFBW and was at NASA Flight Research Center at Edwards AFB back in the 70's I know him.
True, I was only a lowly co-op, but I'm sure I met him if he was there...

Looked up some of the papers. Appears he was into the simulation end of things--developing software and electronics for digital control, which is why I can't seem to place him, although the name is familiar.
That's just a first impression.
Looking at the TN and TR's from that era, I recognize a pretty large number of names--but I was in Flight Test Operations (and for a brief while, the propulsion group) while I was there.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Anyways Red forgets no one really respects Ryan for his scientific prowess. What we respect him for is his ability to link almost anything said on this forum in the last 3 years. He's like rain man when it comes embedded links and recalling topics.

The smiley may mean that was partly tongue-in-cheek.

Speaking as someone who hasn't been here very long, let me explain why I respect Ryan Mackey.

I respect people who talk sense and make valid arguments in matters I can check independently. I distrust people who don't talk sense or don't make valid arguments in matters I can check independently.

The first Truther I encountered was an acolyte of Rob Balsamo, and Rob himself was the second Truther I encountered. It didn't take Rob long to make several technical claims I knew to be complete rubbish. After countering Rob's "arguments", I discovered via Google that Ryan Mackey had taken Rob to task for those things long before I had.

And that's how I found out about JREF. In matters I am competent to judge, Mackey and quite a few others here have been making sense. It therefore seemed like a good place to learn about things I am not competent to judge on my own.

Will

 

[The Big Dog]

Here's a Deets OP-ED earlier this year with some comments by Mark Roberts. This one's a doozy, and sure does bring back memories.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?a=84586&show=votes

BOOM!

I see your hero, in addition to carrying water as Gage's lackey, is also a proponent of Hush-A-Boom technology.

Hey Red, why don't you ask your hero to come here and enlighten us?

BOOM! Giggle.

 

[Furcifer]

The smiley may mean that was partly tongue-in-cheek.

Speaking as someone who hasn't been here very long, let me explain why I respect Ryan Mackey.

I respect people who talk sense and make valid arguments in matters I can check independently. I distrust people who don't talk sense or don't make valid arguments in matters I can check independently.

The first Truther I encountered was an acolyte of Rob Balsamo, and Rob himself was the second Truther I encountered. It didn't take Rob long to make several technical claims I knew to be complete rubbish. After countering Rob's "arguments", I discovered via Google that Ryan Mackey had taken Rob to task for those things long before I had.

And that's how I found out about JREF. In matters I am competent to judge, Mackey and quite a few others here have been making sense. It therefore seemed like a good place to learn about things I am not competent to judge on my own.

Will

Yep. This forum is a great sounding board. It hardly matters what credentials anyone is touting, so much as the content they present. But where you're a sad ass movement in your death throws...

 

[CHF]

Here's a Deets OP-ED earlier this year with some comments by Mark Roberts. This one's a doozy, and sure does bring back memories.

http://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?a=84586&show=votes

Red, I'm still waiting for you to show us what Deets brings to the table.

He's a NASA scientist, right? So show us where he applies his knowledge to 9/11. Show us what's done.

I assume you were hoping Deets was your answer to Ryan Mackey...

But all I've seen from Deets so far is what any truther could do. Heck, I could parrot Richard Gage or DR Griffin if I wanted to; it takes no skill whatsoever.

So show me what makes Deets unique. Show me what he has produced.

 

[T.A.M.]

I had forgotten that he's also an Obama "Birther" (see the comments section).

TAM

 

[TJM]

You guys are being overly critical. The guy sounds like he's playing with a full deck to me:

"How do you absorb information when it is so contrary to what everyone else is saying is happening?" Deets asked the 35 to 40 attendees.

"My years in doing flight research, engineering, budget planning- all the kind things for NASA-I never, ever came across a problem, if you wanna call it a problem, like the World Trade Center destructions on 9/11/01," he said.

I never came across a problem like 9/11 throughout my career either! This cat may be on to something here!

Oh and this little gem at the end. Not Deets but priceless nonetheless:

Meeting times and places are "to be determined" by Fahrney. At the onset of club rush week, which ended Sept. 11, there were no confirmed members of the new club, aside from Fahrney. A roster of about 25 interested students rounded off the tally of potential club members.

Forgive me Hokulele, but this is what he was born to do:




http://media.www.sdcitytimes.com/me....Club.On.Campus.Seeks.911.Truth-3775626.shtml

 

[Bobert]

Wow haven't been here in awhile and I see I haven't missed much.

 

[apathoid]

Appeal to authority fallacy for the win! Sheesh, Red. I would have thought you'd have known better.

 

[Orphia Nay]

How come it took Truthers 8 years to find the guy? Did he just develop Alzheimer's? Seriously, where's he been for the last decade?

Is it just me or are these guys always retired?

My thoughts exactly. "He is a 1961 graduate of Occidental College, Los Angeles. He earned a master of science degree in physics from San Diego State College in 1962 and then a master of science degree in engineering, as part of the Engineering Executive Program, at UCLA in 1978."
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/news/NewsReleases/1996/96-10.html

That would make him, what, in his 70s?

Appeal to authority fallacy for the win! Sheesh, Red. I would have thought you'd have known better.

This.

 

[Brainache]

Appeal to authority fallacy for the win! Sheesh, Red. I would have thought you'd have known better.

Why would anyone think Red would know better? All of his arguments demonstrate one fallacy or another.

Appeal to authority is just the tip of the Goldberg.

 

[funk de fino]

If this is anything like how Red plays poker, I would love to take him on.

He's just gone all in, with a 9 high, against an opponent with the nuts.

 

[Dave Rogers]

True. This guy Deets is a complete idiot with no relevant experience:

Interestingly enough, his relevant experience appears to be in aerodynamics, rather than structural engineering. And yet, his comments on 9/11 seem to be centred on structural engineering, rather than aerodynamics. So, although he has relevant experience, he's carefully avoided applying it.

The truth movement has made this one contribution to humanity: it's given us so many new and creative forms of the invalid appeal to authority that they're much easier to recognise now.

Dave

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Can someone please explain what this Deets person has actually claimed? Because I see 3 pages of talking about his education and credentials, and zero pages on what he actually said. Can anyone outline the specifics of his claims?

And if he hasn't made any claims, why the are we talking about him? I could care less who "signs a petition" or "joins a group". That means nothing.

 

[WildCat]

Appeal to authority fallacy for the win! Sheesh, Red. I would have thought you'd have known better.

Why? This is pretty much how RedIbis operates, I remember him starting similar threads before.