The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[kitakaze]

Oh, look at that. What a shock. Sweaty ignored #2. Sweaty, do you think anyone might actually not be seeing this? Do not fear, Sweaty. Fear is the mind killer. Fear is the little death that brings total obliteration.

.....Some of their bones have 'human proportions'.....and at least one of the bones....Patty's upper-arm bone....has a length which is greater than the human's it has been compared to.

1) You failed to answer my question. Once again, are the skeletons overlayed on Patty of inhuman proportions? Yes or no. Answer the question and don't dodge.

2) You are using neltana's Daz Studio animation. That is one skeleton seen from different points. Your contention that the physics engine is literally changing the length of the humerus is wildy entertaining. Sheer desperation. Watch the video, watch it carefully...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhQ1Y3EqyN0

Is it your contention that both mangler's Poser 7 overlay and neltana's Daz Studio animation video are both malfunctioning in the exact same way? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you look now? Oops for you.

3) In your moron comparison above, the artistic interpretation skeleton that you say is a good fit for Patty has the exact same humerus/radius/ulna proportions at the human skeleton drawing you compared it to. Complete faceplant. Wow. It's one of the dumbest things I've seen in a while. You completely pantsed yourself. 2 cm, 1.5 cm. Oops for you.

4) Watch this, Sweaty. You're going to love this. I'm going use Sweaty Fu to destroy your own hilariously bad arguments. See your crap comparison with Bob in profile above...

Oops...

for...



you.



Wasn't that fantastic? I just used you against yourself. That was fun.

5) 35.81% Oops for you.

BTW......just a reminder........the Fric and Frac animation is fatally flawed, since it failed to take into account the significant difference in the subject's upper-body widths.
In other words....Bob's upper-arm actually needs to be longer than....(not 'equal to')....Patty's upper arm, because of that difference in width.

Feel free to give us the number of centimeters or inches and how it rules out Bob.

It's a major, fatal flaw of Fric and Frac......who, to this point in time, haven't even had one example of a real-life, physical object support the legitimacy of their upper-arm bone lengths being called "equal".

Let's look at Sweaty in April before neltana utterly and completely destroyed Sweaty's desperate claim that the poser 7 overlay was two different skeletons...

Why didn't mangler simply post a short clip, showing the continuous movement of Patty's upper arm, into the position seen in Bob's image?
Isn't that how these two skeletal positions were originally generated??

The animated-gif that he did post is clearly not part of any such continuous animated-gif.

To me, this raises a red flag of suspicion as to the veracity of mangler's original skeletal comparison.

Now Sweaty, in his pathetic, fanatical desperation is at a complete loss and asks for some demonstration not using computer software. Maybe Sweaty can try something more useful in his desperate flailng. He can take a single night to try and disprove the verification done by neltana. Or maybe we should contact Daz and Poser 7 and let them know there physics engines are full of lies...

Daz Studio

Poser 7

None of that will happen. Sweaty in his intellectual dishonesty, cowardice, and fanaticism will do anything to remain in denial.

 

[kitakaze]

TWIST-akaze wrote:

Here is another beautiful, shining example of kitakaze's TWISTING....misrepresenting....things that I have said.

I have NEVER stated that the programs used to make the computer-animated skeleton videos "CANNOT reliably display real-world physics".


They certainly can.....but that doesn't mean that they're not also capable of producing animations/movements which do not represent 'real-world' movements.


TWIST-AKAZE.......at his slippery-best.

Unless they are the knobs on mixers, synths, and drum machines, I twist nothing. Let's do this,Sweaty. Let's get into it. I think we'll have a great conversation. I have a cold and I'm goofy on Neo Citran, so you'll have a better chances tonight. You said mangler's Poser 7 overlay showed two seperate skeletons. You insinuated he was pulling a fast one and questioned why he wouldn't show it in animation. Neltana comes with the haymaker and knocks your garbage into the stratosphere by replicating the overlay with a seperate program in animation and gives you all the stills and means to reproduce the process. Pow. There goes your slime. So what do you do? You claim the software is physically changing the length of the Daz Studio humerus...

I explained, and illustrated what I'm seeing in that animation....at least as far as the 'upper arm length' changing (as the skeleton moves) is concerned.

Holy guacamole, somebody get a bucket, the fanatic's on fire. It's happening in Poser 7 and it's happening in Daz. No, no, no. I can't handle it. It can't be real. Must... resist... the truth.

Sweaty, your argument is destroyed and it was crap from the beginning. You have completely failed in trying to deny the truth as shown by mangler and verified by neltana. Computers reliably representing 3D objects is one of the most central elements of computer technology. Doubt it? Spend no money, download Daz, and see for yourself. Just one night. There will be you in front of the screen shaking your fist to the sky. You'll have to tell you slat on a post all about it.

Bob Heironimus' limb proportions are a good match for Patty. He was there playing Bigfoot with Patterson. None of your squirming can change that.

*bzzt* FAIL. Next.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitty-POO wrote:

Bob Heironimus' limb proportions are a good match for Patty.

Except for when they're compared to Patty's......

URANUS-KAZE wrote:

1) You failed to answer my question. Once again, are the skeletons overlayed on Patty of inhuman proportions?

Yes or no.

Answer the question and don't dodge.

Sorry, pal....but I did answer it. Neither 'yes' nor 'no' is an appropriate answer to that question....because the "proportions" relate to individual bones....not necessarily to a 'complete skeleton'.

You are a twisted...




Oh....btw.....I noticed that you have ignored the comparison above.....and have failed to point out any errors in the comparison above.

Perhaps you can't deal with the comparison above.

 

[kitakaze]

Except for when they're compared to Patty's......


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Pattys%20Elbows/PattyBobElbowCompCombined1.jpg[/qimg]

Repetition will get you nowhere. See number #4 in my post above. That flail comparison was destroyed with your own material and prefered method.

Sorry, pal....but I did answer it. Neither 'yes' nor 'no' is an appropriate answer to that question....because the "proportions" relate to individual bones....not necessarily to a 'complete skeleton'.

You are a twisted...

No, you did not answer the question. You are trying to squirm out of it. Why so fearful, Sweaty? It's a simple question illustrating a simple point. Once again...

Are any of the skeletons overlayed on Patty of inhuman proportions? Yes or no. Either they are normally proportioned skeletons or they are not.

Too scared to answer? We could change it too are any of the humerus' overlayed on Patty of inhuman proportions?

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitty-cornered wrote:

Are any of the skeletons overlayed on Patty of inhuman proportions? Yes or no. Either they are normally proportioned skeletons or they are not.

Too scared to answer? We could change it too are any of the humerus' overlayed on Patty of inhuman proportions?

Sorry, pal...but, once again...


"So.....to answer this question of yours....kitty-POO...

1) Are the skeletons that mangler and neltana have overlaid upon Patty of inhuman proportions? Are they, Sweaty??

"Neither 'yes' nor 'no' is an appropriate answer to that question....because the "proportions" relate to individual bones....not necessarily to a 'complete skeleton'."....


.....Some of their bones have 'human proportions'.....and at least one of the bones....Patty's upper-arm bone....has a length which is greater than the human's it has been compared to.


I know you don't like my answer.....but it is an answer, and I'll keep on repeating it, as long as you keep asking me that question.


Poor kittles......as the comparisons continue to come in......one after another, showing the same result....Patty's body proportions significantly differing from Bob's.....always in the same way.......he sadly, and desperately, clings onto his computer-generated animation....backed into his tiny little corner.....just him and his animation..........hoping to save his sad little "Bobby Dream".

What fun it will be to finally blow that animation away.....and watch Ol' Kittles go off the deep end.

 

[SweatyYeti]

BTW......just a reminder........the Fric and Frac animation is fatally flawed, since it failed to take into account the significant difference in the subject's upper-body widths.
In other words....Bob's upper-arm actually needs to be longer than....(not 'equal to')....Patty's upper arm, because of that difference in width.


It's a major, fatal flaw of Fric and Frac......who, to this point in time, haven't even had one example of a real-life, physical object support the legitimacy of their upper-arm bone lengths being called "equal". (Let alone Bob's arm being longer!)

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitzo wrote:

That flail comparison was destroyed....

Yet, you can't point out, specifically, and in detail, where there's an error in it.....can you?

 

[kitakaze]

.....Some of their bones have 'human proportions'.....and at least one of the bones....Patty's upper-arm bone....has a length which is greater than the human's it has been compared to

It's quite entertaining to see how much a little, simple question makes you squirm. Especially, because this is something you try to do to skeptics. You claimed that Patty's arms are inhumanly long, proportionally speaking. Were you full of it when you said that, Sweaty? Are you afraid to back your own claims? The one who is getting cornered here is you. So, what's it going to be? Would you like to abandon your claim now? Answer the question if you are not a fearful fanatic. I have some nice numbers on Heironimus and Patty's humerus' and radius/ulnas waiting just for you.

 

[kitakaze]

kitzo wrote:



Yet, you can't point out, specifically, and in detail, where there's an error in it.....can you?

No problem. I already have and I'll do it again...

1) The images are improperly scaled and the logic of the comparison is flawed. The distance from the eyes to the elbow is not fixed.

2) Patty and Bob's eyes, elbows, and knees line up just fine. Once again...



If your comparison is correct, why are their eyes, elbows, and knees lining up? If correct, why the wild variation? Am I going too fast for you here?

 

[kitakaze]

BTW......just a reminder........the Fric and Frac animation is fatally flawed, since it failed to take into account the significant difference in the subject's upper-body widths.
In other words....Bob's upper-arm actually needs to be longer than....(not 'equal to')....Patty's upper arm, because of that difference in width.


It's a major, fatal flaw of Fric and Frac......who, to this point in time, haven't even had one example of a real-life, physical object support the legitimacy of their upper-arm bone lengths being called "equal". (Let alone Bob's arm being longer!)

BTW......just a reminder........

Feel free to give us the number of centimeters or inches and how it rules out Bob. IOW, what is the width of Patty's upper body? What is the width of Bob's? Show how that difference in width is significant and how it could not be accounted for by features of the suit such as shoulder pads. In another thread you boldly announced that no shoulder pads were used. Prove it. Show us that that is a fact and spare us your subjective wishful thinking. That means none of the desperate fanatic gobbledy-gook you've been trotting out uselessly for so long. You faceplant everytime.

 

[kitakaze]

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob/FF22AA.jpg[/qimg]


I haven't ignored the issue of the skeleton's limb lengths, and proportions.

In the case of the skeleton on the left....the length of it's upper-arm bone matches Patty's upper-arm bone......and, in every comparison that I've seen, Patty's arm appears to be longer, proportionally-speaking, than the human's upper arm.

Just to reiterate the utter stupidity and desperation of Sweaty's boner claim that both mangler's Poser 7 model and neltana's Daz Studio model are both having the humerus bone physically shortened between the images on Patty and Bob, simply watch the physical transition from 1:30 to 1:35 here a few times...



Yeah, no kidding. Isn't it just insane? The transition is simple as hell and it's plain to anyone that isn't demented with Bigfoot fanaticism that both models humerus' being articficially and inexplicably shortened, in both cases and exactly the same way, is the most retarded thing ever.

I want to ask neltana to make a gif of that transition so that I can let Sweaty look at it all the time. It seems when you just link it that he won't dare look and thus can continue to take himself seriously when he makes that idiotic claim.

 

[kitakaze]

Poor kittles......as the comparisons continue to come in......one after another, showing the same result....Patty's body proportions significantly differing from Bob's.....always in the same way.......he sadly, and desperately, clings onto his computer-generated animation....backed into his tiny little corner.....just him and his animation..........hoping to save his sad little "Bobby Dream".

What fun it will be to finally blow that animation away.....and watch Ol' Kittles go off the deep end.

It is to laugh. Did your little slat on a post tell you that? Well, sorry to rain on your parade but I have one more strap for your Bigfoot fanatic straightjacket and guess what, baby - I've got numbers on my side. Bring the rain...

Here's one of mangler's original Poser 7, not neltana's Daz Studio, skeleton overlays. One skeleton from a 3D modelling software package put over top of Patty and Bob...



Now let's break out the tape measure and get into some numbers so as to destroy Sweaty's fanatic insanity that the skeletons might not be the same and show once again for clear-headed, rational thinking people that Bob's arms are a great match for Patty's...

Humerus length on Patty skeletal overlay - 1.2 cm

Radius/ulna length on Patty skeletal overlay - 1.1 cm

Humerus length on Heironimus skeletal overlay - 1.2 cm

Radius/ulna length on Heironimus skeletal overlay - 1.1 cm

No failure of the physics engine. No quibble, dither, run, or hide. The arms match, they are the same arms, it is the same skeleton. No insanity, no backflips, no preposterous attempts at denial, no footer dementia.

Bob's arm proportions fit nicely with Patty's. You are SOL. The only person here that needs some lessons on reality is the UFO-loving, Martian civilization-believing, Bigfoot-obsessed woo fanatic who couldn't discern reason and logic from fantasy and myth. It's the fumbling fortean addict who couldn't recognize the blatant stupidity of this and actually thinks that it is something meaningful...

Check this out...I modified the Vision Realm Patty skeleton....putting it's arms straight out...and compared them to an average human's skeleton...

Notice any difference??? (Hint: Look at the Elbows.)

Oops, I sunk your battleship. Maybe we should move to your Martian civilization thread because you're getting your purse handed to you here.

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Yet, you can't point out, specifically, and in detail, where there's an error in it.....can you?

No problem. I already have and...


I'll do it again...


1) The images are improperly scaled and the logic of the comparison is flawed.

The distance from the eyes to the elbow is not fixed.

Again.....kittles...

You can't point out, specifically, and in detail, where there's an error in that comparison.....can you?


Your "specific details" are lacking BOTH specifics, and details.



Precisely where, and by how much, are...."The images improperly scaled??


Can you explain precisely, specifically, and in detail how this piece of "critical thinking" of yours...

"The distance from the eyes to the elbow is not fixed"...

....applies to the above comparison??


If it does apply.....there should be SOME way of showing specifically how it applies.....shouldn't there??



Better yet.....can you demonstrate.....specifically, and in detail, where the error/s are in the comparison?


Come on.....kittles.....do something MORE than just taking a whiz....and a dump....all over the comparison.

Use your head!

 

[SweatyYeti]

BTW......just a reminder........the Fric and Frac animation is fatally flawed, since it failed to take into account the significant difference in the subject's upper-body widths.

In other words....Bob's upper-arm actually needs to be longer than....(not 'equal to')....Patty's upper arm, because of that difference in width.


It's a major, fatal flaw of Fric and Frac......who, to this point in time, haven't even had one example of a real-life, physical object support the legitimacy of their upper-arm bone lengths being called "equal". (Let alone Bob's arm being longer!)

 

[kitakaze]

Precisely where, and by how much, are...."The images improperly scaled??

I'm not even slightly interested in quantifying the extent of your misscale in your latest bit of desperation. Not at all. I've given you plenty of numbers to chew on that show that Bob fits with Patty and I'm not jumping through the hoops of a fanatic woo with a loose grip on reality.

Here's the most important reason, once again for the slow, why I'm not at all interested in your diversion tactic...


Patty and Bob's eye, elbows, and knees line up just fine...



You can try and put up as much smoke as you want, you can dance around it till your feet fall off, it ain't changing, ol' Sweat.

 

[kitakaze]

BTW......just a reminder........the Fric and Frac animation is fatally flawed, since it failed to take into account the significant difference in the subject's upper-body widths.

In other words....Bob's upper-arm actually needs to be longer than....(not 'equal to')....Patty's upper arm, because of that difference in width.


It's a major, fatal flaw of Fric and Frac......who, to this point in time, haven't even had one example of a real-life, physical object support the legitimacy of their upper-arm bone lengths being called "equal". (Let alone Bob's arm being longer!)

Do you think this obvious sign of incompetence in debate is helping you? Toss the crayons, get a measuring tape, and present something we can all work with, if we choose to. See post #2310 for the specific numbers we need. You're just peeing in the wind now and spamming. Your arguments are moot and I have proven my case beyond doubt for any rational thinking person.

BTW, here are some scary, scary numbers again to that you will ignore...

35.81%, 1.2 cm, 1.1 cm.

 

[kitakaze]

Come on.....kittles.....do something MORE than just taking a whiz....and a dump....all over the comparison.

Just wanted to share one more reason why I won't spend even five minutes looking into measuring the exact extent of your misscaled comparison...


Intellectual cowardice.

Yep, that's right. I said it. Intellectual cowardice is the second reason why I won't waste my time for you. Oh, I'm sorry. Did you think I was talking about intellectual cowardice on my part? No, no. I don't suffer from the mind-addling condition as you do. But please, allow me to illustrate the logic behind why I scoff at the notion of making that effort for you. See, I know I could take the time to look into and discover the exact number of the misscale, but why? As someone who is intellectually dishonest and cowardly, you will not admit the comparison to be meaningless garbage to me. You wouldn't dare allow yourself to do that. See, I destroy your gobbledy-gook all the time and you simply deny it, run from it, hide, or seek to divert attention from it.

I don't have to look hard at all to find examples of this. In fact, I have an absolutely perfect example of where you make a retarded comparison, I make a specific and detailed demonstration of why it is retarded, and you make no move at all to acknowledge the stupidity that you flopped on us. Here we go, Sweaty tries to get some elbow room for his dance moves ...

Check this out...I modified the Vision Realm Patty skeleton....putting it's arms straight out...and compared them to an average human's skeleton...

Notice any difference??? (Hint: Look at the Elbows.)

And oops, Sweaty pulls a faceplant. Oooo... that's gotta sting.

So here comes my detailed and specific demonstration of the flaws in Sweaty's bungled comparison complete with numbers, detailed measurements even...

Of course, in Sweaty World posting avoiding LTC's statement of the obvious is the only way to go. Intellectual honesty is even more elusive for Sweaty than Bigfoot is.

*sigh*

Length of Vision Realm pseudo-science art fluff skeleton's humerus on screen: 2cm

Illustration of human skeleton's humerus on screen: 2cm

Length of Vision Realm pseudo-science art fluff skeleton's radius/ulna on screen: 1.5cm

Illustration of human skeleton's radius/ulna on screen: 1.5cm

You don't have a tape measure in there do you, Sweaty?...



Notice any similarity??? (Hint: Look at the numbers.)

*bzzt* FAIL. Next.

Any word from Sweaty on that? It's not like he can claim that he didn't see the response or hasn't been reminded of the stupidity of the comparison. I've intentionally draped his own garbage in front of him numerous times. So why the silence of the lambs?

Of course we know the answer to be intellectual cowardice. Sweaty simply can not cope with the thought of admitting he made a crap comparison, especially to me. He's playing a game and scoring points on evil scoftics is what he's after. So beyond making a simple demonstration showing that when Sweaty says this...

If Bob was, in fact, Patty....then his eyes had to line-up with Patty's eyes....and his elbows had to line-up with Patty's elbows.....just like in this comparison...

[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Pattys%20Elbows/PattyBobElbowCompCombined1.jpg[/qimg]

Unfortunately....there seems to be a problem with the knees lining-up...

...he's hitting us with more meaningless drivel, I'm not going to lift a finger more than I already have. I am in discussion with someone I know not to have any integrity in debate whatsoever and to be constantly conniving. I simply won't jump through hoops for a fanatical woo who would not acknowledge it if I did.

ETA:

BTW, this little scream of silliness...

Use your head!

Damn, there goes another one. I can't help but find it deliciously ironic that you would tell me to use my head in the very post that partially quotes and omits this key point that you very specifically chose not to use your own head about...

If your comparison is correct, why are their eyes, elbows, and knees lining up? If correct, why the wild variation? Am I going too fast for you here?

Ballzheimers strikes again.

 

[Drewbot]

Ballzheimers strikes again.

RED DRAGONS! to you mate.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Patty and Bob's eye, elbows, and knees line up just fine...

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Sorry, kitzo.....but, since Bob's arm is straight, in that image, the location of his elbow is not clearly-defined. Therefore, we can't tell that "the elbows line-up just fine".

This is yet another shining example of how kitakaze TWISTS the truth.....ever so subtley.


kitakaze can't deal with direct comparisons of Patty and BOB, himself....so, when the going gets tough, he switches over to a Bob-in-a-suit image, and then misrepresents it.....to boot.

Another post by the GAS GIANT...."YUR HIGHNESS URANUS-KAZE".....and another pile.

 

[SweatyYeti]

This is simply beautiful.......a complete mental collapse.......by the Great Kaze!

Regarding this comparison...

First, he wrote:

See your crap comparison with Bob in profile above...

Then, in response to this question of mine...

Yet, you can't point out, specifically, and in detail, where there's an error in it.....can you?

.....he outgassed:

No problem. I already have and...


I'll do it again...


1) The images are improperly scaled and the logic of the comparison is flawed.

The distance from the eyes to the elbow is not fixed.

And then, when asked, again, for specifics......details...

Originally Posted by SweatyYeti
Precisely where, and by how much, are...."The images improperly scaled??

...which would support his claim that the comparison is "crap".........he spewed...

I'm not even slightly interested in quantifying the extent of your misscale in your latest bit of desperation.

Not at all.

The Great Kaze bails-out.....he goes "brain-dead".



Yo.....kita-Loser......the reason why I asked you to support your claim, was so that it could be determined whether or not there was 'anything to' your claim, whether it carries any weight, at all.

If you choose not to support it....then fine...

That's a GOOD THING for us Bigfoot proponents!


The comparison stands un-refuted.....by the "critical thinkers" of Jref.