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Derren Brown is no different than Uri Gellar.

You missed out the part where it quite clearly states the category that this news is posted in

Posted in Freaky Deaky, Interesting Theories, Pseudo-Science to Conspiracy
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terry_leopard said:
You missed out the part where it quite clearly states the category that this news is posted in

Posted in Freaky Deaky, Interesting Theories, Pseudo-Science to Conspiracy
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Maybe if he had posted it only under Pseudo-Science to Conspiracy. But it is also in the section of his blog for Interesting Theories.
 
terry_leopard said:
Really?

Here's a few comments from the 53387 attached to this youtube video

criss angel is 100% real trust me i know him since we were kids he has always been a beast when it comes to magic...i once saw him teleport from one place to another in less than a second..he can also turn invisible...his nick name back then was...criss the magic boy angel..


so you think hes fake... this im not realy believing in but what about the time he lifted a taxi? what about the time he lay on a bed of nails and an SUV drove over him? even if this is fake he isnt
**** OKAY i ****ing hate all these ppl who won't just sit don't and accept the fact that it's real. okay. Not everything u see on TV is fake. some ppl just have talent.


How can that be FAKE??..explain??

and the best of all

You're right, he's jesus... this is all real. NOT dumbass.

All this is from a trick that I remember being FULLY explained on one of those magic secrets revealed type programs (can't remember which one though)

So is Criss now a woo woo too?
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That'll teach me not to talk in absolutes.

:D

The world is full of freaks. Maybe there are indeed some people who believe Criss is Jesus. Are we claiming that, assuming these posters aren't taking the piss, this is other than a teeny tiny minority of Criss's audience? If Criss's popularity really is based on people confusing him for our Lord and Savior then everythis said about Derren applies to him also.
 
microdot said:
What about the techniques he writes about in Tricks of the Mind?
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I haven't read that book, again - I don't even recall seeing it on the shelf during any of my recent visits to Borders. And if I've seen Darren Brown's show and am aware of the connection between his "trick explanations" and NLP, yet haven't read some book that allegedly clears the muddy waters he's stirred up, you can bet there's all sorts of other people who have as well. Except unlike me, they believe that his use of NLP lends credence to NLP (rather than his use of NLP discrediting him), and they go out and finance woo.
 
JFrankA said:
Yes, it's part of what he does, but the problem with NLP is that it takes legitimate psychological tricks, tricks that can help confuse someone so that a suggestion may work, and exaggerates it into a "technique that works". That's why he said "that's a whole other conversation".
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Well I'm glad you were able to divine what he was really thinking when he said that, but I'll choose to remain dubious on whether any legitimate psychological tricks were employed in the NLP demonstration video I posted earlier. And to be frank, his waffling over the issue doesn't help in the least. "I'm not a big fan of it, but I do use it." Nonsense. I'd be much more satisfied if he comes out on his television show and says in an unequivocal way, the way Swiss did, that there's not a shred of scientific evidence to support NLP. Problem is if he did so, I'd half expect him to throw in a little addendum about how "but science doesn't know everything..."
 
Checkmite said:
I haven't read that book, again - I don't even recall seeing it on the shelf during any of my recent visits to Borders. And if I've seen Darren Brown's show and am aware of the connection between his "trick explanations" and NLP, yet haven't read some book that allegedly clears the muddy waters he's stirred up, you can bet there's all sorts of other people who have as well. Except unlike me, they believe that his use of NLP lends credence to NLP (rather than his use of NLP discrediting him), and they go out and finance woo.
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Or perhaps they might find a direct quote from him about NLP on the web, saying something like, oh, I don't know, "it's a dirty word as far as I'm concerned. If somebody came up to me and said, "Look, I really liked your show, and I'm going to go to an NLP course," which I've had happen, I would say to them, "Well, if you want to do that, do that, but here's what you'll get out of it. It's not what I do. It's part of what I do," which is I think true, I think that's fair enough to say."

(Oh, and it's DErren, the same as it's GellEr. They have that in common. :) )
 
Checkmite said:
Except unlike me, they believe that his use of NLP lends credence to NLP (rather than his use of NLP discrediting him), and they go out and finance woo.
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So, in your _opinion_ his using something which he has found to work discredits him?
 
LandR said:
Would your opinion change if after the last event this wasn't made clear ?
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It has been made clear - he said "This is just a trick" and "Don't trust me" in as many words during the lottery show (and used the mouse trick and the knife trick to illustrate that *exact* point, explicitly), said "Subliminal Advertising" doesn't work" and "The PEAR Group results are spurious" in the "Control the Nation" show.

I'm pretty sure that there will be a spell-it-out-for-the-slower-amongst-us payoff after the final Event, but even if there isn't, Derren's scepticism is still there word-for-word in the shows.
 
Checkmite said:
Well I'm glad you were able to divine what he was really thinking when he said that, but I'll choose to remain dubious on whether any legitimate psychological tricks were employed in the NLP demonstration video I posted earlier. And to be frank, his waffling over the issue doesn't help in the least. "I'm not a big fan of it, but I do use it." Nonsense. I'd be much more satisfied if he comes out on his television show and says in an unequivocal way, the way Swiss did, that there's not a shred of scientific evidence to support NLP. Problem is if he did so, I'd half expect him to throw in a little addendum about how "but science doesn't know everything..."
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You really should read his book, where he dedicates a whole damn chapter to explianing why he thinks NLP is nonsense.
 
LandR said:
Yes.

I don't seem to be allowed to post links to websites.

derrenbrown dot co dot uk forward slash blog forward slash

Or just google Derren Brown blog and you will find it :)

3rd entry down.
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That is not a quote from Derren Brown on that blog.
Skeptic agrees Remote Viewing is proven

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Bolding mine. it's sourced from here: http://deanradin.blogspot.com/2009/09/skeptic-agrees-that-remote-viewing-is.html

Which in turn is sourced from here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510762/Could-proof-theory-ALL-psychic.html

So maybe people could check facts before posting quotes.:rolleyes:
 
volatile said:
You really should read his book, where he dedicates a whole damn chapter to explianing why he thinks NLP is nonsense.
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Great - was that video I posted aired before or after he published his book? If before, then some sort of retraction is called for on his show. If after, then I find a little something wrong with his professional integrity.
 
It's still on a website run by DB and representing DB. It's a marketing tool for him. If we are discussing whether or not DB perpetuates woo then I think it's fair to show the material he thinks is OK to have on his blog.

It should be clear why it's on his blog, his next TV show is focused around remote viewing so obviously he is going to have a load of different psychic related entries on his blog.

I think it shows though that Derren is happy to be represented alongside the woo stuff when it suits him and his marketing of himself.

The original paper it references is by Jessica Utts, which in it's abstract says:

It is recommended that future experiments focus on understanding how this phenomenon works, and on how to make it as useful as possible. There is little benefit to continuing experiments designed to offer proof, since there is little more to be offered to anyone who does not accept the current collection of data.
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