The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[makaya325]

Patty's arms are practicaly as long as her legs, which is not typical for a human. Still, i have seen people who are of odd proportions

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

I absolutely can't say that Patty is walking straight from that.

But of course! Why go out on a limb...and admit that Patty is walking without leaning over to her left, or to her right?!

BTW...."Patty just happened to be leaning to her right"....(causing her arms to appear longer than an average human's )....was just added to the growing list of "lucky draws" that Roger got, when he took his camera out into the wilds, and filmed "Bob".


Keep 'em coming, boys!

 

[kitakaze]

Now.....let's sit back and watch the "skeptics" try to extricate Tube from his "shortcoming"....

Done before you even sat down. Post #2197. Enjoy.

A good idea.............when one is faced with something they find disturbing, is to look away from it, and focus on something else.

This may be the most sincere thing Sweaty has ever said on this forum. Spoken like a true king...



Oops, she's gonna blow...



I would take a couple of minutes to provide some of the better examples of Sweaty's intellectual cowardice but I know I'm dealing with things that are common knowledge, so meh...

(Don't like the 'fingertip-to-feet' comparison.....just switch-over to the 'fingertip-to-shoulder' comparison.....and......feel good! )

(snip)

Is it wrong...illegitimate...meaningless...."inaccurate".....to compare the distances from their fingertips to their feet?????

I would like to use this fingertip to feet measurement for Patty you keep talking about, Sweaty. For me it is 26.5 inches or 35.81% of my total body height. Additionally, the distance from the ends of my arms to my kneecaps is 6 inches. Can you give me the same reliable measurement for Patty?

Thanks so much.

 

[kitakaze]

But of course! Why go out on a limb...and admit that Patty is walking without leaning over to her left, or to her right?!

My goodness, you just ignored all of the substance of my post wherein the flaws of your arguments are pointed out and focused on and responded to a single comment that was inconsequential to the post and arguments within. It's like I'm dealing with someone who is rather conniving and intellectually dishonest?

Why would you do that, Sweaty? Is fear crippling you so much? I'm not talking about any listing. Want to deal with me? No, I don't think you do. I think you know where that's going to go.

Try actually addressing that post (#2200). The one where I show your screw-up with the tube comparison is post #2197.

BTW...."Patty just happened to be leaning to her right"....(causing her arms to appear longer than an average human's )....was just added to the growing list of "lucky draws" that Roger got, when he took his camera out into the wilds, and filmed "Bob".

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Luck off the scale.

Keep the dodging coming!

 

[kitakaze]

Now, I haven't made any arguments about listing. I have other flaws that were more apparent to me. It can certainly be that there are a number of flaws in any of Sweaty's gobbledy-gook logic failures. What I find interesting is the hilarious faceplant Sweaty just pulled with the post the above image is from...

1) Astro says that a specific comparison is flawed because it shows Patty at that point listing to the right. Sweaty counters with images from a completely different part of the film. The point being that this was a creekbed and Sweaty's logic is functioning as if she walked a nice, flat sidewalk the whole film. Fail.

2) The image that he does post is a blurry mess that reaaaallly doesn't help the case for saying that Patty has inhuman limb proportions. Fail.

Keep 'em coming, Sweaty.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Fresh out of the oven....Tube's (upper) arm......deep-fried......

The knee joints (bent, and clearly located) are lined-up....along with their eyes, and body-heights.......and, as USUAL....Patty's arm (in this case...the upper arm, especially) appears LONGER than your average, typical, modern human being...... Amazing!

 

[SweatyYeti]

kitakaze wrote:

Is fear crippling you so much?

No, I just don't have time to respond to all of your CRAP, right now, kitty-Poo.


I'll look it over again, later....and see what I can do.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Bonus long-arm image.....just for laughs...

 

[kitakaze]

Even though this image is a blurry mess from a distance in which Patty's feet are obscured and her posture is not straight, let's see how she compares to me with some of my numbers, including Sweaty's fingertip to feet...

The blur that is Patty measures about 5cm on my screen. Where she actually starts and stops is very hard to say, but anyway...

Her arm looks to be about 2.4cm and distance to feet from arms looks like 2cm. That gives me her arms as 48% of total body height to my 43.23% (mind you, I'm not hunched over). Now from the ends of her arms to where it seems the feet should be rolleyes I get 40% of total body height to my 35.81%.

So by Sweaty's preferred measurement, my arms hang significantly closer to the ground while standing full erect. Looks like I'm more Bigfoot than Patty is according to Sweaty logic.

 

[kitakaze]

kitakaze wrote:



No, I just don't have time to respond to all of your CRAP, right now, kitty-Poo.


I'll look it over again, later....and see what I can do.

What you'll do is look at it again and do little to nothing. The simple fact is that in a debate, I am perfectly adept at demolishing your flawed arguments head-on, as you present them. You, OTOH, are so ineffectual as to not be able to deal with the arguments as they are presented to you. Everyone sees countlessly that you dodge, flee, obfuscate, divert, and hide. You know full well that you can never again claim that you don't evade skeptics. Just try it, I dare you.

Another dare - I dare you to actually step into a real debate with me. One where you can't be chicken on the run. One question or point from you and I must address before any other post. Then it's my turn. You could not handle that. You would go white as a sheet. You could not function in an honest debate where you are not allowed to be conniving and dishonest.

 

[captain koolaid]

Wrong, Astro.

Take another look at the "made-up" Bunny skeleton...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20VR%20Skeletons/Skeletons6.jpg[/qimg]

Why is the word made-up in quotation marks? Do you contend that the cartoon bone figure is an accurate representation of an actual, existing skeleton? Which one? Where can I locate this skeleton? If I cannot view it in person, is there at least a photo of it online somewhere? It certainly is a must see.

Notice how the distance from the 'shoulder to the top of the head' is greater in Patty than it is the the typical human skeleton.

You're interpreting that dfference as "Patty is leaning to the right".....but that simply isn't the case...[edit]

You are using Pattybones to analyze the film? Sweaty, you used Pattybones as the template for Plywood Patty, didn't you? Complete with square frame and column-like shoulder and humerus.

 

[makaya325]

Well, Captain, Sweaty has two Skeletons to choose from: A human skeleton, and a bigfoot skeleton. Even though he could use the human skeleton, which we know exist, why must he use the skeleton of an unconfirmed beasty?

 

[kitakaze]

Why is the word made-up in quotation marks? Do you contend that the cartoon bone figure is an accurate representation of an actual, existing skeleton? Which one? Where can I locate this skeleton? If I cannot view it in person, is there at least a photo of it online somewhere? It certainly is a must see.

That is the exact sentence that came to my mind when I saw that.

Tell us, Sweaty, what is the science that makes that skeleton a reliable representation of the bones inside Patty?

 

[Vortigern99]

Measuring arm length from the eyesocket to the fingertips, or from the fingertips to the feet, appears to be the best way to preserve the delusion that the proportions under review are in any way inhuman. The obvious, logical and accurate method of measuring arm length is not from the eyesocket to the fingertips -- which is a patently absurd and willfully stupid method -- but rather from the shoulder to the fingertips, i.e. the actual length of the arm.

In short, Patty's shoulders are lower in the pic under review not because "its" proportions are inhuman, or because "it" is doing something humans can't or don't do, but because "it" is engaged in the easily achievable human action of walking with "its" shoulders hunched. This hunching lowers the joint of the shoulder to below the point that Tube, in the comparison pic, is holding his. In other words, Tube is not hunching and Patty is.

The same dynamic is in play if one chooses, for whatever delusion-strengthening reason, to measure from the fingertips to the feet. As I've pointed out repeatedly upthread, if one walks with shoulders hunched, the fingertips are lower and therefore closer to the ground.

How anyone could miss these obvious and logical observations is a question for the ages.

 

[kitakaze]

Again, with this blurry mess image I did some crude measurements. Blurriness, Patty hunched, and obscured feet were the first big problems. I used a tape measure and toothpick to try and get the measurements close-ish.

Patty is 8cm with arms 3.5cm, legs 5cm, and distance from arm to ground as 3cm.

Arm length/total body height = 43.75% vs kitakaze 43.23% (I'm not hunched)

Arm to ground = 37.5% vs kitakaze 35.81%

Again, I am more squatchy than Patty is by Sweaty's own preferred method.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Why is the word made-up in quotation marks? Do you contend that the cartoon bone figure is an accurate representation of an actual, existing skeleton? Which one? Where can I locate this skeleton? If I cannot view it in person, is there at least a photo of it online somewhere? It certainly is a must see.

Yo, Captain....I don't have the time to get into answering all those TOUGH questions about the Vision Realm Patty skeleton.


Here are my thoughts about it, though... ...


I think the Vision Realm skeleton very closely matches the skeleton that would be appropriate for Patty's body dimensions...(the visible body dimensions.)

You are using Pattybones to analyze the film?

Yup.

Sweaty, you used Pattybones as the template for Plywood Patty, didn't you? Complete with square frame and column-like shoulder and humerus.

Nope.

 

[SweatyYeti]

That is the exact sentence that came to my mind when I saw that.

Tell us, Sweaty, what is the science that makes that skeleton a reliable representation of the bones inside Patty?

See my post, directly above.

 

[kitakaze]

Tell us, Sweaty, what is the science that makes that skeleton a reliable representation of the bones inside Patty?

I think the Vision Realm skeleton very closely matches Patty's body dimensions...(the visible body dimensions.)

A-ha.

Heavy science from SweatyYeti. He thinks. It's art. He likes it.

 

[kitakaze]

Yo, Captain....I don't have the time to get into answering all those TOUGH questions about the Vision Realm Patty skeleton.

SweatyYeti - Ridiculous smugness, yes. Explanation of quotes around "made up" and why the art is not art, not so much.

It's a Sweaty world.

 

[SweatyYeti]

A-ha.

Heavy science from SweatyYeti. He thinks. It's art. He likes it.

Yup......me likes it.