The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[SweatyYeti]

I'm making my own argument there, Sweaty. If Patty is a human, she's a human in a suit, yes?

Sure, that would be true.

I agree that if Patty's arms are longer than most human's arms, that that feature.....in and of itself....doesn't 'rule out' a guy-in-a-suit.

It is certainly possible ('probability' is a different matter)for a suit to have arm/hand extensions inside it.

 

[Astrophotographer]

It is certainly possible ('probability' is a different matter)for a suit to have arm/hand extensions inside it.

Hand extensions are not needed. By the nature of the suit, it will add a few inches to an individuals hand. It is far more probable that the few inches you are arguing about has to do with the suit and less probable that it is an actual bigfoot. We have gone down this road too many times. Provide something substantial with measurements that proves the arms are excessively long. So far, all measurements have shown they are not excessively long.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Hand extensions are not needed. By the nature of the suit, it will add a few inches to an individuals hand. It is far more probable that the few inches you are arguing about has to do with the suit and less probable that it is an actual bigfoot. We have gone down this road too many times.

Provide something substantial with measurements that proves the arms are excessively long. So far, all measurements have shown they are not excessively long.

What exactly do you mean by 'excessively'??



Astro wroto:

Hand extensions are not needed.

Great! Makes life simpler!

 

[Astrophotographer]

What exactly do you mean by 'excessively'??

You were the one claiming that they were too long to be human. You stated that Bunny had "exceptionally looooooooooooong arms". So far, you have yet to demonstrate this is true.

 

[SweatyYeti]

You were the one claiming that they were too long to be human. You stated that Bunny had "exceptionally looooooooooooong arms". So far, you have yet to demonstrate this is true.

What exactly do you mean by 'excessively'??

 

[Astrophotographer]

What exactly do you mean by 'excessively'??

You were the one who said they were extremely long. Don't try and escape that claim. What is the length of the arms and we can decide if it is excessively long? BTW, a suit can easily make an arm appear longer than they really are.

 

[SweatyYeti]

You were the one who said they were extremely long. Don't try and escape that claim. What is the length of the arms and we can decide if it is excessively long?

BTW, a suit can easily make an arm appear longer than they really are.

What exactly do you mean by 'excessively'??

 

[Astrophotographer]

What exactly do you mean by "exceptionally looooooooooooong arms"? How about a value for that. Excessively is one that is well outside the human norm and could not possibly be duplicated by a suit.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Excessively is one that is well outside the human norm and could not possibly be duplicated by a suit.

and:

Provide something substantial with measurements that proves the arms are excessively long.

So far, all measurements have shown they are not excessively long.

So, you want me to prove that Patty's arms are "well outside" the normal, or average, human arm length.

Well......"well outside" is a subjective judegement.



But, here is what I can do for you, Astro.....I'll repeat what I wrote in my post, from a day or two ago......

Patty's arms....proportionally speaking....appear to be LONGER than Jim's!


Yet again......Patty's arms appear to be longer than a human's.

How is that???


As for specific numbers.....I plan on getting some actual numbers, sometime in the near future.


For now, though......comparative length analysis tells us that Patty's arms appear to be longer (proportionally speaking......they reach down closer to the feet) than your average Joe's arms.

What exactly do you mean by "exceptionally looooooooooooong arms"? How about a value for that.

See above.

 

[kitakaze]

Mind scumb.

 

[doctoratlantis]

This guy has long arms.

Man! These guys have LONG arms.

And this guy's right hand is BIGGER THAN HIS HEAD!

And this guy is just weird.

And this girls has admitted to having "very long arms"

Is it possible that early Americans had much longer arms? Look at this rifle:

Were people from Kentucky predisposed to "long arms?" Or is that a reach? I've got to hand it to you guys - you've really got me curious about how long arms are.

But I would not advise doing a Google image search on "long and hairy" - just don't.

 

[Astrophotographer]

So, you want me to prove that Patty's arms are "well outside" the normal, or average, human arm length.

Well......"well outside" is a subjective judegement..

Absolutely it is subjective. There are always those that are outside the human norm and a suit with large or loose fitting gloves at the end is going to make somebody appear to have longer arms than they appear. If you want some values on this, I am going to have to say that I can not produce anything definitive. Perhaps we are talking 25% outside the norm? Considering the difficulties with low resolution, motion blur, etc. I think that would be considered a good yardstick.
We also see that you are now backtracking because you have two quotes that disagree with each:

"Patty's arms appear to be longer than a human's."
"exceptionally looooooooooooong arms"

In one, you are stating that they appear to be/looks like they are too long and in the other you are claiming it is obvious to everyone. So which is it? Do they "appear" to be longer or is it they "are" longer? Appearance is subjective and is a little better than a guess. "Are" means you have something to demonstrate this is true. So far, in the months/years you have been doing this, you have been unable to demonstrate this is a fact. Therefore, when you say "later", I can only assume that this is another attempt to avoid answering a bigfoot question or we will see the same old crayon drawings that are improperly scaled/low resolution/etc. that prove absolutely nothing.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Absolutely it is subjective. There are always those that are outside the human norm and a suit with large or loose fitting gloves at the end is going to make somebody appear to have longer arms than they appear. If you want some values on this, I am going to have to say that I can not produce anything definitive. Perhaps we are talking 25% outside the norm? Considering the difficulties with low resolution, motion blur, etc. I think that would be considered a good yardstick.
We also see that you are now backtracking because you have two quotes that disagree with each:

"Patty's arms appear to be longer than a human's."
"exceptionally looooooooooooong arms"

In one, you are stating that they appear to be/looks like they are too long and in the other you are claiming it is obvious to everyone. So which is it? Do they "appear" to be longer or is it they "are" longer? Appearance is subjective and is a little better than a guess. "Are" means you have something to demonstrate this is true. So far, in the months/years you have been doing this, you have been unable to demonstrate this is a fact. Therefore, when you say "later", I can only assume that this is another attempt to avoid answering a bigfoot question or we will see the same old crayon drawings that are improperly scaled/low resolution/etc. that prove absolutely nothing.

Thanks for your thoughtful response, Astro.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Mind scumb.

YEEEEEEEEEE He He He He ...

......He He He He He ...

......kitty 'Poo-nalysis'...

.....

 

[kitakaze]

Most telling is how Sweaty responds here. Astro completely dismantles Sweaty's dreck piece by piece and Sweaty, instead of participating in the debate with intellectual honesty and sincerity, simply gives some fake little "thanks" nothing response. Thanks, Astro. I can't handle your arguments at all as they expose my gobbledy-gook so I'll just *zip* dodge this one.

The two words that I said, however, Sweaty's gonzo with the gifs, colours, all-caps, cackling and pictures. Have you ever seen a more transparent individual?

 

[kitakaze]

and:

So, you want me to prove that Patty's arms are "well outside" the normal, or average, human arm length.

Well......"well outside" is a subjective judegement.

But, here is what I can do for you, Astro.....I'll repeat what I wrote in my post, from a day or two ago......

How is that???

As for specific numbers.....I plan on getting some actual numbers, sometime in the near future.

For now, though......comparative length analysis tells us that Patty's arms appear to be longer (proportionally speaking......they reach down closer to the feet) than your average Joe's arms.

See above.

You are fail. Complete mental fail. Here is your fail post where you try to quibble about Jim and Patty's arm appearing about the same length...

Blowing-up the image a bit...to a point where it can be more accurately asessed... [qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/one.jpg[/qimg] ...

We can see that if Patty's hand was simply pivoted, to be pointing straight down...as Jim's hand is....her fingertips would also reach down to the yellow line.

Now, considering the fact that Patty's arm is at a significantly greater angle from the Vertical, than Jim's is.....we know that her fingertips would actually reach down to a point lower than the yellow line/Jim's fingertips....if her arm was at the same angle as Jim's.


Patty's arms....proportionally speaking....appear to be LONGER than Jim's!


Yet again......Patty's arms appear to be longer than a human's.

You blah, blah, blah try and fanaticize that Patty's arms are still longer. You fail. You said proportionally but we can see that not only are Jim's arms looking about the same length, when his arm goes straight down, it reaches the same area of the leg as Patty. You are fail. Using a simple measuring tape I make a crude measurement. You know, a #number#. Did it in a jiff. From the end of the hand to the top of the shoulder on both Jim and Patty is about 5cm. On top of that is this essential point - Jim's got nothing on. He isn't wearing any Bigfoot suit. The line that touches the top of his head and the one touching the end of his hand - he's not wearing any head piece that was like an oldtime football helmet, shoulder pads, or arms in gloves and still he matches up with Patty.

You are 100% fail.

*bzzt* FAIL. Next.

 

[kitakaze]

This guy has long arms.
[qimg]http://www.plasticclothing.com/shop/sc_images/products/445_image.jpg[/qimg]

Blake, you didn't happen to *ahem* see what I saw on a certain first page, did you? Erm, yes, anyways, the arms...

Patty should meet Sebastian.

The Chabal would tear Patty Nopoop's diaper butt to shreds...

http://yellowromancandles.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/sebastien-chabal.jpg

http://spd.fotolog.com/photo/45/51/107/raul_der_reiter/1232588792400_f.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Sébastien_Chabal.jpg

 

[captain koolaid]

Can you highlight the image, to show what you mean??...

No.

...Or, at least elaborate on what you mean?

Patty's entire arm looks like it's hanging straight down, to me.

Not in the literal sense. Not like your wooden Bigfoot's arm. As has been pointed out earlier, real subjects have shoulders, with ball and socket joints. The arm is not parallel to the axis of the body. It is moving in a swinging motion, back and forth, and away from the body. Not by a great deal, but by enough. It isn't a stiff armed marching swing (like plywood Patty). You are proceeding from the assumption that the exact position of joints and sockets are exactly where you want them to be. The point is- that factoring in the shoulderpads, whatever padding the actor is wearing doesn't necessarily impact the arms. In any event, this is neither here nor there. Patty McPadding's arms aren't "inhumanly long". So the argument that BH couldn't manage the stroll without Reed Richards' powers is just so much sasquatch.

 

[makaya325]

You are fail. Complete mental fail. Here is your fail post where you try to quibble about Jim and Patty's arm appearing about the same length...



You blah, blah, blah try and fanaticize that Patty's arms are still longer. You fail. You said proportionally but we can see that not only are Jim's arms looking about the same length, when his arm goes straight down, it reaches the same area of the leg as Patty. You are fail. Using a simple measuring tape I make a crude measurement. You know, a #number#. Did it in a jiff. From the end of the hand to the top of the shoulder on both Jim and Patty is about 5cm. On top of that is this essential point - Jim's got nothing on. He isn't wearing any Bigfoot suit. The line that touches the top of his head and the one touching the end of his hand - he's not wearing any head piece that was like an oldtime football helmet, shoulder pads, or arms in gloves and still he matches up with Patty.

You are 100% fail.

*bzzt* FAIL. Next.

Sorry Kitz, but those Photo's are flawed. It is unknown if Mclarin was in the EXACT location of Patty's footsteps. It should also be considered whether or not Green filmed Mclarin on the correct level, correct angle, etc.

 

[kitakaze]

Just an update on my efforts to meet Heironimus...

I've had no response to my email to Bob's wife. Either the email address is unused or she/they chose not to respond. I suspect with the address I used that the former is the case and that she simply doesn't use that email address. I was considering using snail mail to send a letter requesting the interview. I contacted Gigantofootecus about accompanying me. Giganto is enthusiastic about the interview but unable to attend due to family obligations. Correa PMed me an excellent idea for an alternative collaborator for meeting with Heironimus and once I receive a response from that person, I'll update further.