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The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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SweatyYeti said:
If you watch the first part of the film, you'll see how her arms are doing nothing much, except for hanging straight down, at her sides.
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"Hanging", or dangling. But not straight down. That photo shows fairly well the shoulderpads, and how the humerus slots in under it. On an angle.




SweatyYeti said:
Here's another rear-view image...


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Her arms aren't 'angled-out'....despite the fact that her upper-torso/chest width is several inches wider than Bob's.

Roger............was good! :cool:
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The femur is "straight down". The humerus, is not. It extends out at an angle. It doesn't even appear to hang down at 90 degrees in relation to the end of the shoulder, let alone the torso.
 
captain koolaid wrote:
The femur is "straight down". The humerus, is not. It extends out at an angle. It doesn't even appear to hang down at 90 degrees in relation to the end of the shoulder, let alone the torso.
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Can you highlight the image, to show what you mean?? Or, at least elaborate on what you mean?

Patty's entire arm looks like it's hanging straight down, to me.
 
makaya325 said:
I am aware of that. As i was saying, for all we know, Mclarin may have been walking on a higher surfact than patty. Remember, the Mclarin demonstration did not occur directly after the film was shot, so the landscape would have changed
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The comparison film was taken a few months after the incident and supposedly Patty's path was still discernable. McLarin had visited the site in Nov 67, and was familiar with Patty's path.

Green writes on page 124 of his Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us (1978): “At one time I was certain that the creature was several inches taller than Jim (at 6 ft. 5 1/2 ins. in his boots, 180 lbs.), particularly since it is more stooped. Now I am aware that it is possible to line up some frames so that Jim appears to be as tall or even taller.”
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Green writes on page 124 of his Sasquatch: The Apes Among Us (1978): “At one time I was certain that the creature was several inches taller than Jim (at 6 ft. 5 1/2 ins. in his boots, 180 lbs.), particularly since it is more stooped. Now I am aware that it is possible to line up some frames so that Jim appears to be as tall or even taller.
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The landscape differed between the two recordings
 
makaya325 said:
That is irrelevant, due to the fact that the exact distance from Patty to the camera is unknown, therefore, using the Mclarin video is the same as throwing putty on a wall and hoping it sticks.
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I'm going to say this one last time; after that you're on your own. Please pay close attention, because you've missed my point altogether.

The distance from the camera is not at stake here. Put that question aside for a moment. We're talking about proportion: a comparative ratio.

In the pics under review, McClarin's arm length compared to the length of his body, and Patty's arm length compared to "its" body, are the same. McClarin's hand hangs down just as far on his own body as Patty's does on "its" own body.

We don't need to know the distances involved because the only unit of measurement is the subject's own body. Got it?

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neltana said:
I didn't post that specific list before, no. However, I've always been perfectly clear that the animation was created with Daz Studio. The video itself makes it clear the images are placed on backdrops and that the skeleton is posed in front of each.

Since you said you were going to download the program and reproduce this back in April/May, and you never mentioned that you ran into any technical problems, I guess I assumed you were all set by now.



I never got any kind of PM.


At which point, I was just speechless. If you missed my offer of help via PM, it was certainly odd that you responded to it.

I also gave you still images of the entire sequence in question from not one, but two different camera angles.

I fail to see how I just provided you with any new, non-obvious information with my "procedure".
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The 'procedure' wasn't obvious to me....I haven't used any 3D modeling programs before.

Isn't the reason why programs come with instuctions simply due to the fact that how a program operates...(the 'Tools'...the 'Features'...the 'Menu Functions'.....etc)....is NOT obvious?

Again.....thanks! :)




Have you even installed the software yet?
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Not yet. :rolleyes: Someday....I may.
 
SweatyYeti said:
Isn't the reason why programs come with instuctions simply due to the fact that how a program operates...(the 'Tools'...the 'Features'...the 'Menu Functions'.....etc)....is NOT obvious?
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Ah, there is our disconnect.

I had assumed that you had installed the program and read the instructions. Because, I thought you had said you were going to do that. Thus, months later, I thought it had come to pass.

I hadn't realized your investigation hadn't advanced to that stage yet. Please keep me posted on your progress.
 
I used to think Sweaty was just a Bigfooter, who found it impossible to accept the obvious due to the emotional attachement to Bigfoot. Now I just think Sweaty is a Troll.

I think Sweaty makes all this stuff up just to get our goat. Sweaty Knows it is not going to fly.
 
Drewbot said:
I used to think Sweaty was just a Bigfooter, who found it impossible to accept the obvious due to the emotional attachement to Bigfoot. Now I just think Sweaty is a Troll.

I think Sweaty makes all this stuff up just to get our goat. Sweaty Knows it is not going to fly.
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Thank you.

Now if we all place him on 'ignore' he'll stop trolling and go away.
 
neltana said:
Ah, there is our disconnect.

I had assumed that you had installed the program and read the instructions. Because, I thought you had said you were going to do that. Thus, months later, I thought it had come to pass.

I hadn't realized your investigation hadn't advanced to that stage yet. Please keep me posted on your progress.
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Sure thing, Neltana. I'll let you know when I either get a skeleton animation made...or...get stuck. :)


I just became more interested in simulating the 'arm motion' with an actual physical object....and so, for the time being, lost interest in working with the DAZ Studio program.
 
Drewbot said:
I used to think Sweaty was just a Bigfooter, who found it impossible to accept the obvious due to the emotional attachement to Bigfoot. Now I just think Sweaty is a Troll.

I think Sweaty makes all this stuff up just to get our goat. Sweaty Knows it is not going to fly.
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It would certainly be understandable for people to think so. Note here how Sweaty earlier says he asked neltana to at least partially explain how he created the animation and that neltana did not respond. Like as if neltana sitting on some secret squirrel stuff. Like, oops, we were pulling some sneaky stuff on you, don't catch us. Neltana responds essentially WTF? and takes the time to show Sweaty exactly where he explained in detail what needs to be done so that he can replicate the process and points out that he PMed info to Sweaty that Sweaty responded to.

Does Sweaty say "I'm sorry, I messed up. I said you hadn't helped me when you absolutely had on numerous occasions"? Nope. Just more smug garbage...

SweatyYeti said:
The 'procedure' wasn't obvious to me....I haven't used any 3D modeling programs before.

Isn't the reason why programs come with instuctions simply due to the fact that how a program operates...(the 'Tools'...the 'Features'...the 'Menu Functions'.....etc)....is NOT obvious?

Again.....thanks! :)
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And, of course, the cherry on top is neltana checking if Sweaty even tried to start replicating what he had done...

Not yet. :rolleyes: Someday....I may.
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This is essence of Sweaty. Sweaty, have you worked with the physics engine with the bones in it? Oh, I see, you didn't even try and you just nailed a slat to a post and made a conversational piece that doesn't function like human arm bones. Anything to run away another day and keep that head in the sand. *plonk* Patty has exceptionally loooooong arms.

There is a wall of truth smack in front of Sweaty that he is doing his best to deny. The wall is called "Patty has human arms" and it scares the poop out of Sweaty. Run. Hide. Deny. Fly away. It can't be true.

Fric & Frac you, Sweaty. It's true...



Run and cower all you want...

Patty



has



human



arms.



Oops for you.;)
 
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How do we know that Patty's arms are not flailed out, making her arm length look shorter then it really is?
 
Blowing-up the image a bit...to a point where it can be more accurately asessed...
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We can see that if Patty's hand was simply pivoted, to be pointing straight down...as Jim's hand is....her fingertips would also reach down to the yellow line.

Now, considering the fact that Patty's arm is at a significantly greater angle from the Vertical, than Jim's is.....we know that her fingertips would actually reach down to a point lower than the yellow line/Jim's fingertips....if her arm was at the same angle as Jim's.


Patty's arms....proportionally speaking....appear to be LONGER than Jim's! :D


Yet again...;)...Patty's arms appear to be longer than a human's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2DpoBA7iOU
 
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We can see that if Patty's hand was simply pivoted, to be pointing straight down...as Jim's hand is....her fingertips would also reach down to the yellow line.
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I see something in the background blending with Patty's hand, making such judgements very difficult, and Patty's other hand seems to be missing. In any event, there isn't much difference to be had there, imo. 2 inches either way does not change anything significantly regarding Patty's arms being well within suit proportions.

Also, Patty's head is very vague, but it really looks like Patty ought to be a little higher to line up properly, which would make the difference even smaller. If we use a frame without the big head morph bump, we would get even closer, imo.
 
Sweaty's crayon image, in which he lines up Mclarin's head with Patty's, is trying to solve a problem that lacks any kind of verified data
 
LTC8K6 wrote:
In any event, there isn't much difference to be had there, imo. 2 inches either way does not change anything significantly regarding Patty's arms being well within suit proportions.
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1) "either way"

Patty's arm doesn't come out shorter by a couple of inches, LTC........it's LONGER.


2) "within suit proportions"

Nice try at a diversion...but my correction to kitty's Poo-Poo Post concerns these statements of his...


One can see there that Patty isn't inhumanly proportioned at all.

Patty has human arms.
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kittles is talking about the length of Patty's arms...as they are seen.
 
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