The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

[SweatyYeti]

I just stumbled across these two pictures, and I had to rub my eyes for a minute.....I could hardly believe it!.....it was like I was lookin' at TWINS!......

In the picture above...the bottom of Patty's right foot is visible....though it's blending-in somewhat, with the white ground.


Here are some additional frames, from the same part of the Film.
In these, Patty's left leg is moving forward, and it's her left foot that's visible...

 

[makaya325]

I just stumbled across these two pictures, and I had to rub my eyes for a minute.....I could hardly believe it!.....it was like I was lookin' at TWINS!......


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In the picture above...the bottom of Patty's right foot is visible....though it's blending-in somewhat, with the white ground.


Here are some additional frames, from the same part of the Film.
In these, Patty's left leg is moving forward, and it's her left foot that's visible...


[qimg]http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty%20and%20Bob%20Two/Patty3DWalkAG2A.gif[/qimg]

What are you trying to suggest Sweaty? That Patty was a form of Primate that has escaped detection from the prying eyes of science?...

or that it was simply an ordinary hoax of ordinary proportions?

 

[SweatyYeti]

desertgal wrote:

Directions designed to reduce any unforeseen circumstances and limit dramatic movements that might reveal the limitations of the costume.

Bob's arms sure weren't limited by that thar 'Patty' costume......

Why, I think the 'suit' might have even yanked them clean out of their sockets! (A wee bit.)



You want a suit with limitations......I highly recommend this one...

This RUG-GED suit won't get you one Big step out the door, before the laughter begins.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Makaya wrote:

What are you trying to suggest Sweaty?

That Patty is a lot wider than Bob. (For starters...)



Another thing to take note of, is how it appears that Patty's legs angle-in as she walks. It looks as though her feet would have formed a single line, or something very close to it....just like the trackway that was there at the scene.

 

[makaya325]

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This RUG-GED suit won't get you one Big step out the door, before the laughter begins.

I have to agree with Sweaty on this one...that bottom suit looks like it was constructed at the dry-cleaners

 

[SweatyYeti]

I have to agree with Sweaty on this one...that bottom suit looks like it was constructed at the dry-cleaners

"....that bottom suit looks like it was constructed at the dry-cleaners...

....by a drunk."



Just wanted to add a little, to the thought.

 

[LTC8K6]

We can see the bottom suit, though.

We haven't been allowed to see the top one yet.

 

[HarryHenderson]

Has Bob Heironimus ever been, or been asked to be, measured accurately for use by 'whomever wherever' to do possibly simple, but accurate analyses of, say, proportions and such between BH/Patty? I think it's been crudely(?) established along the way, using mostly approximations I think, that it's possible he's of the same 'ilk' as Patty. Has any righteous effort actually been put forth to establish the premise's exactitude in a more 'scientifically' acceptable manner? At least to a level a little higher than what a discussion forum could reasonably apply to it. I know we can't know Patty's actual dimensions (thanks, thanks a lot Bill Munns), I mean, considering a potentially big piece of the puzzle could be right at hand (BH), and willing and able to 'help' put the entire Bigfoot matter to rest for good, shouldn't somebody try to do that (if they haven't already)?

IMO, it's a very clever suit, but not likely worn by BH. He's too stupid for the PGF to be the really cool trick that it is. Since nobody of note had ever come forward claiming to be Patterson's Bigfoot, BH realized he knew enough about the 'story' to actually and quite simply it seems ("Uh hey, I was the guy in the suit." DONE!), become the-Bigfoot-he-never-was. Why not, was he gonna get in trouble or something? And maybe somewhere there was some money in it. Oh, so he was lying about being Bigfoot? So what!

To me the ugliest part of the PGF is Gimlin knowing (he had to) all along it was (an ingenious) hoax but never coming clean. For whatever the reasons. To too many it seems the man is revered and adored like a god, literally, and that's just about as unrighteous as something could possibly get. I would propose that a 'deathbed confession' is still possible though.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Has Bob Heironimus ever been, or been asked to be, measured accurately for use by 'whomever wherever' to do possibly simple, but accurate analyses of, say, proportions and such between BH/Patty? I think it's been crudely(?) established along the way, using mostly approximations I think, that it's possible he's of the same 'ilk' as Patty. Has any righteous effort actually been put forth to establish the premise's exactitude in a more 'scientifically' acceptable manner? At least to a level a little higher than what a discussion forum could reasonably apply to it. I know we can't know Patty's actual dimensions (thanks, thanks a lot Bill Munns), I mean, considering a potentially big piece of the puzzle could be right at hand (BH), and willing and able to 'help' put the entire Bigfoot matter to rest for good, shouldn't somebody try to do that (if they haven't already)?

IMO, it's a very clever suit, but not likely worn by BH. He's too stupid for the PGF to be the really cool trick that it is. Since nobody of note had ever come forward claiming to be Patterson's Bigfoot, BH realized he knew enough about the 'story' to actually and quite simply it seems ("Uh hey, I was the guy in the suit." DONE!), become the-Bigfoot-he-never-was. Why not, was he gonna get in trouble or something? And maybe somewhere there was some money in it. Oh, so he was lying about being Bigfoot? So what!

To me the ugliest part of the PGF is Gimlin knowing (he had to) all along it was (an ingenious) hoax but never coming clean. For whatever the reasons. To too many it seems the man is revered and adored like a god, literally, and that's just about as unrighteous as something could possibly get. I would propose that a 'deathbed confession' is still possible though.

Actually, KK and I were in process of attempting to arrange an interview with BH. ( my involvement kinda got canned when I deployed)

Speaking for me ( KK can add his comments as he sees fit) I dont buy BH being the suit man nor do I dismiss it as untrue. There is a pattern and certain logic to his account ( which is also riddled with some error and inconsistency) and despite the emotionally driven denials- no one has ever EFFECTIVELY DISPROVEN his account.

( rebuts against BH generally arent factual in content rather than simply disbelieved because if 1 shred of BH's account is true then BG loses his SOTE and Patron Saint of the PGF status, the film is then a true hoax and every single person who has spoken in support of it from the armchair researcher all the way to Meldrum and the Munns report are now fools- BH, when you look at it from afar is one of the only 2 people[ the other being BG] on Earth who could literally bring the shining star of Bigfootdom into a super nova status.

You could say that almost the "whole" of bigfooting is vested in BH being a liar)

I believe that a proper interview with BH that takes him from DAY 1 of his alleged involvement with RP and co until the day AFTER the filming in chronological order, detailing the events of that day, names of people and such along with who was where,when doing what would answer once and for all whether BH is telling the truth or lying.

Liars can generally lie about a short event but its hard to make one up with detail covering a timeline when pressed for specifics. You either remember or you dont and you catch them in the detail and continuity.

Then you would have an information pool to actually seek and verify ( and if necessary, revisit BG and his account)

That would be millions of times more effective than attempting to "prove" he could replicate the patty walk some 40 odd years after the fact when he is older.

I think the real probability of solving the PGF ( one way or the other) is the main reasons these "researchers" refuse to cordially ask him for a detailed interview. They are afraid of what may happen.

 

[SweatyYeti]

Harry Henderson wrote:

Has Bob Heironimus ever been, or been asked to be, measured accurately for use by 'whomever wherever' to do possibly simple, but accurate analyses of, say, proportions and such between BH/Patty?

Longtabber wrote:

Actually, KK and I were in process of attempting to arrange an interview with BH.

I asked kitakaze, a while ago, if he would attempt to get some good quality pictures of Heironimus, for comparison purposes...if and when he meets Bob, at his home.

I don't think that KK responded to my request....but it's possible I could have missed his response.


There isn't a good resolution image of Bob, seen directly side-on....as in this very low-res image...

So.....how about it, kitty....can you get some nice high-quality pictures of Bob....and his big, fat (over-sized ) head!

 

[SweatyYeti]

Longtabber wrote:

Actually, KK and I were in process of attempting to arrange an interview with BH.

One other thing...about the potential interview of Bob H.

If at all possible, if an interview could be arranged to be held somewhere in the Eastern half, or in the middle, of the US....there are a few questions I'd like to ask him, in person. One question, in particular, should put an end to the doubts....in everybody's mind.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

There isn't a good resolution image of Bob, seen directly side-on....as in this very low-res image...

So.....how about it, kitty....can you get some nice high-quality pictures of Bob....and his big, fat (over-sized ) head!

It wouldnt do you any good because you dont know the accurate dimensions of the PGF head

 

[GT/CS]

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IMO, it's a very clever suit, but not likely worn by BH. He's too stupid for the PGF to be the really cool trick that it is.
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How can Bob H. be too stupid to walk in a monkey suit? He didn't design or make it. His only job was to wear it and walk.

 

[desertgal]

Longtabber wrote:

Actually, KK and I were in process of attempting to arrange an interview with BH

One other thing...about the potential interview of Bob H.

If at all possible, if an interview could be arranged to be held somewhere in the Eastern half, or in the middle, of the US....there are a few questions I'd like to ask him, in person. One question, in particular, should put an end to the doubts....in everybody's mind.

Doesn't look like you've been invited to participate, much less call the shots about when, where, and how the interview should be conducted.

 

[desertgal]

Bob's arms sure weren't limited by that thar 'Patty' costume......
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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/SweatyYeti/Patty and Bob Two/PattyRV5.jpg

I'm sure you said something important, Sweaty, but all I hear is white noise...

 

[makaya325]

"....that bottom suit looks like it was constructed at the dry-cleaners...

....by a drunk."



Just wanted to add a little, to the thought.

I am with Sweaty on the Morris recreation: That suit is not even worthy of carrying Patty's training bra!

 

[makaya325]

IMO, it's a very clever suit

Finally, the first skeptic to give credit where it is due

 

[kitakaze]

Has Bob Heironimus ever been, or been asked to be, measured accurately for use by 'whomever wherever' to do possibly simple, but accurate analyses of, say, proportions and such between BH/Patty?

Actually, KK and I were in process of attempting to arrange an interview with BH. ( my involvement kinda got canned when I deployed)

This is a neat little bit of synchronicity. I literally just yesterday emailed Bob's wife with a request for an interview with Bob and myself in Yakima. I have all the necessary contact info for Bob but I want to make sure I do things appropriately so as to allow for the best possible situation. I PMed the main body of the email to William Parcher. Here it is (with personal information omitted)...

(snip)

...I am contacting you regarding an interview request for your husband, Bob Heironimus. I am a longtime contributor with the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF) Forum. The JREF is an organization which promotes skepticism, critical thinking, and the investigations of paranormal claims. The topic of Bigfoot is very popular there and is one of the main areas of my research. Your husband's claim of involvement in the making of the 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film is a topic of regular an in-depth discussion. Discussion there extends over several years with hundreds of pages and hundreds of thousands of people reading.

I am one of a number of skeptics that are of the position that your husband, Bob, was telling the truth with his claim of being "Patty", the man in the Bigfoot suit filmed by Roger Patterson. There are a number of issues that myself and others who support Bob's claim deal with when in debate with the many Bigfoot enthusiasts who claim your husband invented the story. I have long hoped to resolve these issues by doing an interview with Bob for the JREF which would be posted there and shown to the public on Youtube (a free global video sharing website). I am currently in Victoria, British Columbia for the summer and can easily travel to Yakima to meet with Bob. I would like to first get in contact with your husband by email and phone so that he can learn more about myself and the JREF so that he feels comfortable and knows who he is talking with. I believe I can be of great assistance in validating Bob's claims for the public and dispelling controversy surrounding the film.

I will be sending the Heironimus' some more personal information of mine today and may try phoning them tomorrow. I want to be careful about being respectful in the manner in which I contact them. Meeting with Bob is something I really want to do. Taking detailed measurements of his body and proportions will obviously be one of the main things I will do. I haven't mentioned anything about going all over Bob with a tape measure to his wife.

I originally asked tube (Matt Crowley) to accompany me to Yakima to meet Bob, as Matt lives in Seattle and is a well known figure for Bigfoot enthusiasts. Matt graciously declined, as he's bowed out of Bigfootery action, and I totally understand. He doesn't want the attention while I'm not overly worried about it. Longtabber and I have discussed it as well and even though he is unable to go for defense of his country, I will definitely be relying on some of Longtabber's expertise in interviewing people. I will be making a lot of preparations for this trip to Yakima, if the Heironimus' will accept my request, and I will record as much of it as possible for youtube.

I really have wanted to have one other person accompany me who could serve as a second brain and perspective. I have considered approaching a well known Bigfoot enthusiast to accompany me to allow a sense of fairness for footers. And wow, let me tell you, footers would be losing their minds. Informed JREF Bigfoot skeptic and ardent Bigfoot proponent meet with Bob Heironimus to try and get to the bottom of things. Along this journey we have various discussions and debates about Bigfoot issues that is compelling for true believers and skeptics alike . Holy guacamole, it should be a DVD. Hey Doug Hajicek, you guys want in on this? MonsterQuest: Bob? Whitewolf feature DVD? If you try to do the sneaky editing on me like you've done to Prof. Todd Disotell, I'll come out with the kung-fu kickin' an' the Judy choppin'.

Hmmm... which footer, which footer, which footer? Rick Noll? He's big, right? He's in Washington... Naaah, I've made fun of his hair too much. He'll hate me. Nix that. Roger Knight? Roger who? No, no. I can't write his name without including the word "pseudo-intellectual". He'll hate me, too. I'll tell you who I have thought about - Gigantofootecus/Óðinn. That cat is the ticket. He's the photogrammetry/geomaticist guy who wrote an analysis of the Munns Report...

http://www.readclip.com/crypto/review.htm

He's smart, he's a proponent, I've had discussions with him here, and he lives in Victoria. Seems perfect to me. I wouldn't really call him a well known Bigfoot proponent, but neither would I call myself a well known Bigfoot skeptic such as Ben Radford. I think the most notoriety I've gotten in Bigfootery is that JREF skeptic that Matt Moneymaker threatened to sue. I've been very busy with music work but September is the month for me. I really should be back in Tokyo but I've been lingering in Canada trying to get as much summer as I can here. If anyone has suggestions for a second person to meet Bob with, by all means, please make a suggestion.

 

[SweatyYeti]

I am with Sweaty on the Morris recreation: That suit is not even worthy of carrying Patty's training bra!

Thanks, Mak.

Actually...most everyone would agree that the Morris "recreation" suit is a 'Train-load of laughs'.......it's just that some of us folks...(the "skeptics") ...prefer to agree by way of silence, rather than words.

 

[kitakaze]

So.....how about it, kitty....can you get some nice high-quality pictures of Bob....and his big, fat (over-sized ) head!

I will do that and better. I will ask him his hat size and stick a tape measure around his head, if he'll let me. I work in fashion so I'm used to getting measured all the time but some people might not be comfortable with it.

I don't think I'd call Bob's head big, fat, or over-sized. Poor little Patty McLumpy, her head doesn't even fit into her head...