Dave Rogers
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Moderated Thermite: Was it there or not?
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Dave Rogers
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Well, no. They found some paint chips in the dust and pretended they were nano-thermite, and they found some ash in the dust and pretended they were the by-products of thermite reactions. And when another scientist took a look, he couldn't find any of that stuff. That falls a little short of proof.
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Dave Rogers
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So how about if Jones and his merry men sent their samples off to a fellow truther for confirmation, and that fellow truther couldn't find any evidence of thermite in them?
Oh, wait, I think that already happened. And the fellow truther thinks it's proof of a conspiracy. But then again, what isn't?
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Oh, btw guys, it was our dear friend Galileo who said that the "thermite" samples would be going to an independent lab for analysis. What happened Galileo, did the Truthers get cold feet?
I think we all understand now. You are either with 9-11 Truth..or you are with the conspirators. So if an independent or university lab finds that there is NO thermite in the sample, then those scientists MUST be with the conspirators!!
Again, as long as you follow the logic that "You are either with 9-11 Truth or you are with the the conspirators", it all makes sense.
A true patriotic freedom loving lab..would find thermite.
A NWO, Mossad, Zionist controlled, boot-licking lab, would find no thermite.
Get it now?
I think we all understand now. You are either with 9-11 Truth..or you are with the conspirators. So if an independent or university lab finds that there is NO thermite in the sample, then those scientists MUST be with the conspirators!!
Again, as long as you follow the logic that "You are either with 9-11 Truth or you are with the the conspirators", it all makes sense.
A true patriotic freedom loving lab..would find thermite.
A NWO, Mossad, Zionist controlled, boot-licking lab, would find no thermite.
Get it now?
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MIKILLINI
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DGM
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But what if he sent them for "independent analysis" (around the first of 2008) and then never said what the results were? That didn't happen, did it?
DGM
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Who really ever did?
Bill's POV seems to be that since Jones claims to have found thermite, then there is indeed thermite. Independent analysis is not neccessary.
And if there was an independent analysis, it could not be done at any major American university, since they are all owned by the NWO.
Exactly. I found alien footprints in my backyard, therefore aliens exist.
Jones' sources may have fabricated evidence.
Never mind that rigging two 100+ story buildings with thermite charges without it being detectable and without anyone saying anything is a ludicrous claim in its own right.
ElMondoHummus
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Oh, man, that's only the start of the (forgive the term coinage, everyone) ludicrosity behind intentional demolition proposals. It gets far sillier, even when you're restricted to only considering the thermite claims.
bill smith
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Here's a goood debate between Richard Gage and an explosives expert.
http://www.checktheevidence.com/aud...TruthDebateRichardGageVsRon - 12 Nov 2007.MP3
ImANiceGuy
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Welcome back me after 5 pages of garbage. You guys really love to entertain those you despise.
Back on topic, here’s what I don’t get. Forgive me if this has been discussed elsewhere, but everything has been discussed elsewhere, respond or pass on.
Mackey, et al., I don’t understand what you guys have done.
When you debate the validity of the specifics within Jones’ paper, do you not give credibility to the paper itself?
You can’t say: “The results of the X test in the paper do not match Thermite”, and then say: “Jones is fabricating lies for self-promotion, the paper is a fraud.” If that were true, why wouldn’t he fabricate some lies that match Thermite? It’s the same as the question of why the Gov’t wouldn’t fabricate terrorists from Iraq and Afghanistan, instead of Saudi Arabia, if they had, in fact, fabricated their pasts. Get it?
So which is it? Is the entire test made up? Are portions of the test made up? Does Jones believe that he actually found Thermite, or is he knowingly lying?
Your false conclusion actually makes you look unintelligent.
Back on topic, here’s what I don’t get. Forgive me if this has been discussed elsewhere, but everything has been discussed elsewhere, respond or pass on.
Mackey, et al., I don’t understand what you guys have done.
When you debate the validity of the specifics within Jones’ paper, do you not give credibility to the paper itself?
You can’t say: “The results of the X test in the paper do not match Thermite”, and then say: “Jones is fabricating lies for self-promotion, the paper is a fraud.” If that were true, why wouldn’t he fabricate some lies that match Thermite? It’s the same as the question of why the Gov’t wouldn’t fabricate terrorists from Iraq and Afghanistan, instead of Saudi Arabia, if they had, in fact, fabricated their pasts. Get it?
So which is it? Is the entire test made up? Are portions of the test made up? Does Jones believe that he actually found Thermite, or is he knowingly lying?
Your false conclusion actually makes you look unintelligent.
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Projecting your problems on others will not work. The fact is there was no thermite used on 911 to bring down the towers and all the work by Jones is nonsense. His paper proves he did not find thermnite but you have to read it and comprehend the fact based on knowledge and evidence. If you don’t understand Jones’ paper does not support his conclusions on 911 then you will not be effective by posing more talk about his paper. You must first understand Jones made up the thermite out of the blue and is trying to back in the evidence for the past 3 years, 11 months and a few days. He has failed and you come back armed with nothing but your opinion.
And you have no proof of thermite being used in the WTC complex. It is true, Jones made up the idea of thermite 4 years after 911 due to some problem he has. Do you think he knows he is a liar or he is just insane on this issue?
This is like arguing about a Bigfoot paper conclusion there is a Bigfoot. Your delusions will not become more real by acting more anti-intellectual.
Arguing about the paper does not make the thermite delusions real. There was no thermite at the WTC. Come back when you have proof thermite was used to destroy the WTC complex. BTW, 19 terrorists did all the destruction on 911, no thermite. Do you understand?
leftysergeant
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Because he is batcrap crazy and thinks that his results do match thermite.
Dude, we're talking about a superstitious whackadoodle who thinks he has proven that Jesus walked in Yucatan.
Because now we are dealing with reality. The hijackers were mostly Saudis.
Where the government diverged from reality was in tying Iraq to 9/11.
The Shrub, Cheney and Rummy do not have the mental wattage to figure out that they needed to fake evidence of weapons of mass destruction to preserve the public's trust.
(Or realized that they didn't have the capacity to manufacture anything that people would believe.)
Actually, Shrub, Cheney and Rummy think a lot like Jones does. Theyt throw crap at the wall and hope it sticks. Their devotees buy into any of it anyway.
ImANiceGuy
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Beachnut, you should know that your retarded posts have no bearing on my opinions.
You always just respond.....you never respond to......
You always just respond.....you never respond to......
not interested.
I was thinking the same about your posts... What is the matter; can you figure out how to use the editor? Your posts never offer evidence so my conclusions on 911 will not change due to your opinions. You should use evidence to form your conclusions and not your opinions based on hearsay, lies and fantasy.
Do you base your delusions about 911 on your opinions? Why don’t you try evidence?
It was a response, to. You need to broaden your intellectual grasp of what it means for Jones to make up the concept of thermite destroying the WTC complex. It is a delusion and no matter what Jones based a paper on, whether it is Jesus walking in North America, cold fusion, or dust that contains Al, iron rust and other elements, the delusion of thermite never gets to be part of reality for 911.
Does this post mean you have no evidence to support thermite, or you understand Jones made up thermite 4 years after 911? Other than that you are off topic again.
4 years after 911 Jones makes up this lie.
Do you understand why this is a lie? If not, you have a big problem with knowledge and research. Jones is pushing his insanity further with a paper designed to support his delusion of controlled demolition.
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I actually try to educate, not entertain trolls. Don't be a troll.
Both the specifics and the conclusion are wrong. The paper was never properly reviewed, and it appears in a vanity journal. Dr. Jones is even confused about the definition of nanotechnology. That renders the entire thing rather incredible, lock, stock, and barrel.
I can say that indeed, because it is true. The data from his tests are a very poor fit to thermite, nanothermite, or any of the various things Dr. Jones has claimed in his many years as a 9/11 kook. I've already explained the discrepancies to you personally. Go back and read them. This is verifiable fact.
As for why he's not making a better match to thermite, who can say? Why do some people think they've been abducted by UFO's, or that Oswald wasn't the guy who shot Kennedy? Dr. Jones has a consistent pattern of bad science where September 11th is concerned, so this shouldn't surprise anyone by now.
Why no, it's not the same question at all. Dr. Jones has written nonsense papers. This is directly observable, reproducible and verifiable fact. The Government fabricating terrorist highjackers is nothing but ridiculous delusion. There's no analogy to be found.
I believe Dr. Jones conducted the tests as he described them. But they're the wrong tests, and the data he recovered from those tests points far away from thermite. This doesn't deter him, however, since his followers aren't smart enough to know how to run a proper test, or how to analyze the results.
Surrounded by such incompetence, he may well be unaware of his own mistakes, glaring though they are. This is what happens when you isolate yourself in a movement that alienates the technically proficient. And before you attempt to claim otherwise, go ask Gregory Urich about his experiences with the Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice.
I've made no false conclusion. How I appear to you says much more about you than it does about me, I'm afraid.