9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[Thunder]

The first object, of course, was to enlist the very considerable and necessary influence of the Jews, and especially of the Zionist or Nationalist Jews. to help us bring America into the War at the most critical period of the hostilities. This was publicly acknowledged by Mr. Lloyd George during a recent debate in the House of Commons.


So we do not have to rely entirely on the testimony of a 'self-hating Jew' like Freedman to understand the little trade-off between England and the Jews and the catastrophic consequences for the Germans.

#1. America did not join on the side of Britain because of the Zionists. The Germans sank the USS Lusitania, and then 2 more American ships after that. This was followed by America's entry into the war. You cannot blaim the Zionists for Germany sinking our ships...now can you?

#2. The Zionists did not write the Treaty of Versaille. The Zionists did not force Britain and France to insist on destructive and horribly punitive damages upon Germany. This was France and Britain being cruel and vindictive, and only they can be blaimed. Only an irrational and illogical Jew-hater could possibly blaim the Zionists for Versaille.

#3. The Nazis main argument against the Jews has NOTHING to do with WW1. They hated the Jews because we are racially inferior and we poisoned the racial purity and beauty of the Aryan race. This was our main crime. The Jews were ugly, smelly, and genetically inferior. This is why we had to die.

There can be no doubt that blaiming America's entry into WW1 on the Jews, blaiming Germany's loss on the Jews, and blaiming the Treaty of Versallie on the Jews, is nothing more then a sick, bigoted, and highly irrational hatred of Jewish people.

 

[Uzzy]

While the Treaty of Versailles was indeed harsh, to say it was driven by 'Jewish' interests seems quite bizarre, but Nazis are bizarre (and quite funny too). It was mainly driven by wartime hatred of Germany from France and the UK, both quite understandable at the time given how Germany had slaughtered a whole generation. In hindsight it was quite a bad move, as it didn't cripple Germany, nor did it rehabilitate her. All it did, as Foch pointed out, was delay another war for 20 years. As for the 'harshness' of the treaty, it doesn't look so harsh when compared to similar treaties of the time, such as the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk.

I do find it quite odd that a self proclaimed 'Pan-European' who is quite proud of European Civilisation would spend any time defending the Nazis, a group that are the very essence of barbarity and stand opposed to everything that is good and worthwhile about not just European Civilisation, but Civilisation in general.

 

[9/11-investigator]

More about the Balfour Declaration and the link to German defeat in WW1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend

 

[9/11-investigator]

#2. The Zionists did not write the Treaty of Versaille. The Zionists did not force Britain and France to insist on destructive and horribly punitive damages upon Germany. This was France and Britain being cruel and vindictive, and only they can be blaimed. Only an irrational and illogical Jew-hater could possibly blaim the Zionists for Versaille.

Some people beg to differ:

JEWS WERE KEY ADVISORS of the Versailles Treaty of 1919 which carved Germany into pieces just after WWI. Rabbi Stephen Wise advised President Wilson about the impending treaty before Wilson left America for the Versailles peace conference. The Jew Bernard Baruch advised Wilson at the conference. British Prime Minister Lloyd George was advised by the Jew Phil Sassoon. French leader Georges Clemenceau was advised by his Jewish Interior Minister Georges Mandel aka Louis Rothschild

Representing the American banking interests was Paul Warburg, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve. His brother, Max Warburg, the head of the German banking firm of Warburg and Company, was there as a representative of Germany..

 

[Uzzy]

Some people being 'Real Zionist News'. With a name like that, I'm sure it's a fully reputable publication.

By the way, your wiki link lead me to an interesting page on something called the Judenzahlung. Seems that some in the German Military High Command were looking for scapegoats as early as 1916, and found the Jews an easy target. Of course, when they discovered that 100,000 Jews out of the 530,000 that lived in Germany served in the Army, with 78% on the frontlines and 12,000 dying for Germany, the results of the Judenzahlung were quietly suppressed. Seems that ignoring facts in order to bash the Jews is commonplace.

 

[Chaos]

More about the Balfour Declaration and the link to German defeat in WW1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tcard.jpg/325px-Stab-in-the-back_postcard.jpg

Tell me, is there any piece of anti-semitic fabrication that´s so obvious and contrived that not even you will fall for it?

 

[9/11-investigator]

Why are neo-Nazi's, the supposed pinnacle of the "aryan-race", usually completely useless dregs of human society and such complete and utter failures? The Jewish, brown, black and yellow doctors, scientists and engineers must really piss them off.

I can't resist the temptation to react to this one:

In today's news: Germany wants to enter the American market for high tech high speed trains (America doesn't have any). Siemens is going to deliver the trains and the rest of the technology, Deutsche Bahn (German national railroad company) will be doing the operations after construction and the Americans will be providing the muscle power. A sort of Apollo Program lite. Same pattern here.

So where are these Jewish, brown, black and yellow doctors, scientists and engineers? Probably discussing the holocaust in some affirmative action social program.

ICE3 trains - topspeed 368 kmh (230 mph)

Miami - Orlando
Frisco - L.A.

 

[Thunder]

It is fare to assume that the designers of these bullet trains are NOT Holocaust deniers.

Holocaust deniers tend to be low-life, unaccomplished, unworthy, pathetic individuals.

 

[marksman]

Skeptic asked why Neo-Nazis are not more accomplished. You link to an article about Siemens' high-speed rail trains. Are you saying that Siemens is currently run by neo-Nazis (as opposed to 60 years ago when they were run by actual Nazis)?

Or do you simply assume that all Germans are Neo-Nazis?

eta: ninja'd by Parky

 

[Thunder]

More about the Balfour Declaration and the link to German defeat in WW1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_legend

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tcard.jpg/325px-Stab-in-the-back_postcard.jpg

thank you for the link:

"On November 1, 1916, the German Military High Command administered the Judenzählung (German for "Jewish Census"). It was designed to explore allegations of the lack of patriotism among German Jews, but the results of the census disproved the accusations and were not made public.[1][2] The results were never published, because they showed that the percentage of Jews was in fact at least as great as that of the Bavarian non-Jewish population. A number of German Jews viewed the Great War as an opportunity to prove their commitment to the German homeland."

plus the fact that 12,000 German Jews died fighting for Germany. so much for the myth of the unpatriotic German Jew.

if anything, it was the Germans who stabbed the Jews in the back, not the other way around.

btw, 9-11 Investigator, I wanted to ask you. If you were in Germany in October 1938, during the Kristalnacht, would you have participated in the intense violence against the average Jewish man, woman, and child, and against thousands of Jewish properties, stores, Synagogues, and cemetaries?

Or would you have shown some maturity, honor, and restraint, and not joined the barbaric mob?

 

[marksman]

So where are these Jewish, brown, black and yellow doctors, scientists and engineers?

Inventing the Heimlech Maneuver, the sonogram, the cataract surgery, laser eye surgery, MRI diagnostic technology, gene splicing, cardiac defibrilators, open heart surgery, discovering new planets, discovering RNA, contributing to the advancement in turbine motor technology, and much much more. I mean, are you really unaware of the contributions to science and technology by Jewish, black and Asian scientists and engineers?

 

[Uninvolved]

the 3.3 million figure in Poland is a fact

BS fact. The last census had been in 1931. This number is a guestimation by the Polish exil government. Do you expect them to admit, that Anti-Semitism in Poland had been worse than in Germany (for centuries) and Jews were trying to get away?

What evidence do you have that many of these 3.3 million Jews in Poland emigrated to Germany and France?

I can't post any URL; make a search for it.

Anyway, as I wrote already, I don't find this relevant, I see this rather as one of the indicators of character.

 

[paximperium]

I can't resist the temptation to react to this one:

In today's news: Germany wants to enter the American market for high tech high speed trains (America doesn't have any). Siemens is going to deliver the trains and the rest of the technology, Deutsche Bahn (German national railroad company) will be doing the operations after construction and the Americans will be providing the muscle power. A sort of Apollo Program lite. Same pattern here.

So where are these Jewish, brown, black and yellow doctors, scientists and engineers? Probably discussing the holocaust in some affirmative action social program.

ICE3 trains - topspeed 368 kmh (230 mph)

Miami - Orlando
Frisco - L.A.

The Japanese already made the Shinkansen Bullet train in Japan. They are a few decades ahead. The US has no political or economical drive to make bullet trains so there are no companies...did you have some sort of point?

It is truly amusing you consider anything done by anyone in Europe to be "neo-nazi". You'd be surprised by the huge amount of colored-folk working in Germany and shockingly they ARE the engineers and scientists you claim credit for.

Sorry, pal Neo-Nazis are failures and dregs of humanity. Leaches who do nothing but claim credit for other people's successes.

 

[Thunder]

BS fact. The last census had been in 1931. This number is a guestimation by the Polish exil government. Do you expect them to admit, that Anti-Semitism in Poland had been worse than in Germany (for centuries) and Jews were trying to get away?
.

as of 1929, the official census puts the Jewish population of Poland at 2.8 million. At a growth rate of 2% a year over 10 years, that would give them...oh my!! ..........2,800,000 x 1.2=

3,360,000 Jews in Poland in 1939.

busted!!!!!

...unless you can prove this number to be an evil Zionist fraud.

Math 2: Nazis 0

now, 250,000 of these Jews go to the USSR, that leaves 3.1 million Jews in Poland. 300,000 remained after WW2. Where did da missing Jews go?

if you say that they all died...but were killed due to Allied and German bombing raids, I will have a little bit of respect for you.

 

[Thunder]

Sorry, pal Neo-Nazis are failures and dregs of humanity. Leaches who do nothing but claim credit for other people's successes.

Indeed, most Neo-Nazis and Holocaust Deniers have accomplished little in life...but make up for that in whining and scapegoating their own life failures on Jews, blacks, Asians, and their mom.

 

[Uninvolved]

the only proof you offered was a single Nazi being tortured into a confession after 20 other Nazis had already confessed to the details of the Holocaust

Do you mind posting the defininitions of Holocaust you are using for

1. classifying people in "Holocaust accepters" and "Holocaust deniers",

2. supporting the reality of Holocaust?

The Allies would only have engaged in the above mentioned (alleged) massive frame-up if the Nazi's hadn't engaged in the Holocaust, since there'd be no reason for them to frame the Nazis for something they'd already done

You mean you are a thief, and there is no reason to prove it, because you are a thief?

This is the holocaust for you: the two main pillars Wiesel and Wiesenthal exposed as complete frauds

Out of all the eyewitness accounts, the accounts of two people are the most important, and all the other eyewitnesses have hardly any evidentiary value?

I agree, this would be equivalent to saying, that Holocaust denial has been proven as baseless, because Irving was/is a liar, and who would make such connection, right?

What about reliable eyewitnesses? Do you mind listing a few of them? Have such accounts ever undergone thorough examination, like Irving's claim, in a real court (I mean [ni]not[/i] in the Kangorooh court called IMT)?

Someone in another thread gave a possible thought process for deniers who truly believe the Holocaust didn't happen: they think "if the Holocaust happened then the Jews are victims, but the Jews can't be victims because they're the Villains, so the Holocaust didn't happen"

This must be delicious. Do you mind showing naming the thread and post #?

A similar/variant thought process would be "the Jews control the world, and people who control the world wouldn't allow 6 million of their own to be murdered, so it didn't happen".

I just love it, when some people are making up arguments for their opponents and successfully refute them. I guess you are satisfied with yourself.

 

[9/11-investigator]

btw, 9-11 Investigator, I wanted to ask you. If you were in Germany in October 1938, during the Kristalnacht, would you have participated in the intense violence against the average Jewish man, woman, and child, and against thousands of Jewish properties, stores, Synagogues, and cemetaries?

Or would you have shown some maturity, honor, and restraint, and not joined the barbaric mob?

Although there is no justification of the killing of 91 Jews that constituted the Night of the Broken Glass by SA mob (according to Goebbels his diary was Hitler furious about it) it is never ever mentioned in the Western propaganda that the hole event was triggered by the murder by a Jew of a German diplomat. But he was only a German and more importantly he was killed by a Jew, so that does not really count.

Would I have joined? That's easy to ask and difficult to answer. Let's give a real life example:

4 years ago a few blocks from where I live the single most important spokesman against muslim immigration, Theo van Gogh (relative of the famous painter) was ritually slaughtered by a fundamentalist muslim:

I was furious, I went out in rage and I was tempted to throw stones through windows of Islamic shop keepers, similar to the German event in 1938. I did not do it, next time I probably will, for instance if Geert Wilders (who is forced to live in constant hiding) is killed. It was not just the murder of an average Dutchman, it was the intentional murder of one of the opinion leaders of the Netherlands and therefore a direct attack on the Netherlands itself.

Here is a discussion between van Gogh and another martyrer of the Dutch cause, Pim Fortuyn (english subtitles).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8CiW6xX3U

Here is a picture of the most hated man of the Netherlands Job Cohen, the Jewish mayor of Amsterdam (they are always Jewish):

He is one of the most extreme proponents of multiculturalism (read destruction) of my country. And Parky keeps asking: why us?

Here a recent item in the largest Dutch newspaper saying that more than 50% of the young Maroccan invaders under 24 year in Rotterdam are criminal and have a police record.

That's why I can't wait until the US goes belly-up so we don't run the risk to be attacked in the back by these Hillbillies under Zionist leadership again (like the Germans or the Serbs) when we are going to defend ourselves against these hordes.

For your information: the PVV of Geert Wilders (for whom I voted) is since the last EU-elections the largest party in the Netherlands. The PVV is solid against third world immigration.

Geert Wilders at Glenn Beck show feb 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLZE3pTZ7TY

Elsevier Magazine (sort of Dutch Time Magazine) of this week:

'Waarom de jeugd zo rechts is' - 'Why the youth is so right wing'.

Being left in the Netherlands means being subjected to mockery and accusations of treason.

 

[Uninvolved]

It was mainly driven by wartime hatred of Germany from France and the UK, both quite understandable at the time given how Germany had slaughtered a whole generation

You could be surprized by lots of related information in Artur Ponsonby's Falsehood In War Time.

The wartime hatred was created intentionally by the incessant stream of officially manufactured stories (lies) about the German's brutality in Belgium, etc. This was one of the main reasons of the US entering the war, and it was the main reason of the "harsh Treaty of Versailles" - the politicians, who created the hatred and the lies about the "war guilt" could not admit after the war, that they misled their people.

 

[Uninvolved]

Seems that ignoring facts in order to bash the Jews is commonplace

I wonder how you mean this "ignoring the facts".

From the post #1210 below:

The results were never published, because they showed that the percentage of Jews was in fact at least as great as that of the Bavarian non-Jewish population

Which facts have been ignored here?

 

[Uninvolved]

Holocaust deniers tend to be low-life, unaccomplished, unworthy, pathetic individuals.

Exterminationists tend to be low-life, unaccomplished, unworthy, pathetic individuals.

Isn't this a great argument?