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VFF Preliminary Kidney Detection Test

VisionFromFeeling said:
The 2nd option is the only one I could agree to.
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You have agreed you need 10 correct readings out of 10 to consider the test successful.

So one pass would automatically fail you the test and falsify this and every other Medical Detection claim of yours.

If you agree to that then we are back on track.
 
Ashles said:
The option to just... pass with no penalty was not on the table and won't be on the table with IIG unless they have no more idea of how to run a test than my stapler.

You can't just have the right to 'pass' on any subject you feel like, otherwise you
A) Might just pass all of them and waste everyone's time
B) Pass all except one and give yourself a 1-3 chance of success
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Ashles, I think what I am saying is that if I fail a test because I describe the number of kidneys I perceive and that perception is incorrect, it is a different kind of fail than if I fail because I didn't have a perception in every person.

But I do allow that both kinds of fails are a fail. I just think they would each say a different thing about the fail.
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
Ashles, I think what I am saying is that if I fail a test because I describe the number of kidneys I perceive and that perception is incorrect, it is a different kind of fail than if I fail because I didn't have a perception in every person.

But I do allow that both kinds of fails are a fail. I just think they would each say a different thing about the fail.
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It is entirely irrelevent what type of fail you consider it to be. they would not say anything different about the fail at all. You would be not receiving real world information. End of claim.

You have made a claim that you can do X.

If you fail to do X in the test, you have failed.

As far as we are concerned an incorrect perception or no perception are exactly the same. We do not consider any of this to be anything other than imagination or made up anyway.
It is of no relevance to us or the test how you 'feel' about any of the things you may or may not be perceiving. You may 'see' kidneys as bright blue, or pulsating or with a faint tinge of cherry blossom, but if you get the readings wrong then it is clear that whatever you are perceiving (assuming your sensations are true as described) has nothing to do with actual kidneys or anything outside of your own head.

If it is demonstrated that you are not receiving real world information about the test subjects then the test is over and falsified.
That's all there is to it.
 
Anita when you did a test run of 10 kidney detections did it go ok? did you get tired or nauseas?

Just that you said you were ready to go right now on this test as soon as the skeptic groups were ready.

How many times have you tested the 10 in a row kidney detections?

thanks...
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
Ashles, I think what I am saying is that if I fail a test because I describe the number of kidneys I perceive and that perception is incorrect, it is a different kind of fail than if I fail because I didn't have a perception in every person.

But I do allow that both kinds of fails are a fail. I just think they would each say a different thing about the fail.
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The point being, would you agree that a fail (any kind) falsifies all your medical perceptions?
 
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Goodbye for now

To not seem like I am avoiding any future questions, I must excuse myself. I thank you all for your helpful suggestions and thanks to those I have been able to submit a revised, and improved, version of the test protocol to the IIG. Most of your recent questions have already been answered by me before in this thread, so simply check back in the thread. If you feel that you have a new question that has not been answered before, please feel free to e-mail me at brightstar@visionfromfeeling.com.

School starts Monday and I can no longer afford the time that I have spent here. We've made progress on the test protocol and some of our discussions here have been productive, and that was the purpose of this thread. Not attention. I will keep updating my website, and if there are any updates I will be sure to post them in the most relevant thread, but I might not be available for the discussions that ensue, since I will be busy learning all about Quantum Physics and Electromagnetic Fields.

The test will take place. You'll see.

" Yes yes Skeptics, the proof is just around the corner. One day you'll all hang your heads in shame for doubting me, while I'm raking in literally billions of dollars, and am hailed as the most intelligent and incredible person in the history of the world, saving the lives of hundreds of millions.

My groundbreaking quantum, vibrational, spiritual, alien research will change the world forever, proving once and for all that all things woo are in fact true.

I will wear the finest silk, and own the biggest diamonds, and will be adored by all. Rainbows will ascend behind me, and the sun will smile down on me as I walk on rose petals.

It's all just right around the corner. Be sure it will come, just hang in there. We're nearly there. I'll show you. You'll see. "
(Inspired by)
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VisionFromFeeling said:
Ashles, I think what I am saying is that if I fail a test because I describe the number of kidneys I perceive and that perception is incorrect, it is a different kind of fail than if I fail because I didn't have a perception in every person.

But I do allow that both kinds of fails are a fail. I just think they would each say a different thing about the fail.
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No. The allowance of "degrees of failure" is what leads to the result being inconclusive.

In a broader context than just this test, you need to realise that this failed-yet-passed thinking affects your approach to all testing. It's holding you back from reaching conclusions for yourself, as well as making the protocol negotiations more difficult.
 
I notice this departure from the thread comes as I was making a real effort to... specify the details of a Kidney Test protocol, even using the flawed protocol you yourself wanted.

Interesting.

You didn't even respond to my post at the top of the page:

You have agreed you need 10 correct readings out of 10 to consider the test successful.

So one pass would automatically fail you the test and falsify this and every other Medical Detection claim of yours.

If you agree to that then we are back on track.
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VisionFromFeeling said:
And GeeMack thinks that I should be able to lie.
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Interesting that this is the second time you've told this particular lie. I actually don't think you should be allowed to lie about anything concerning your insane claim, but then that would require you to withdraw most of what you've said so far, wouldn't it? I do know, given a body of solid evidence built up over many months of you blathering here, that you do lie. Everyone else knows it, too. And you don't seem to have any moral compunction about it, either. Kind of like the behavior we might expect from a fraud, eh?

Oh, and have you checked with any mental health professionals yet? Before you delve too far into this kidney counting guessing game of yours, don't you think it would be the prudent thing to do, you know, from a scientific standpoint, to eliminate the most likely and most obvious explanation for your compulsive lying and your alleged hallucinations, that being the possibility that you're suffering from some sort of mental illness?
 
Ashles said:
I'm afraid that kind of makes it seeem like you are avoiding any future questions.
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Ashles. If I pass on a volunteer on the test, that constitutes a miss. If I pass or if I report an incorrect answer both are regarded as a miss. And a test that has failed, whether due to a pass or due to an incorrect answer, is a failed test.
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
Ashles. If I pass on a volunteer on the test, that constitutes a miss. If I pass or if I report an incorrect answer both are regarded as a miss. And a test that has failed, whether due to a pass or due to an incorrect answer, is a failed test.
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Thank you for clarifying that, (even if getting that bit clarified has been a bit like pulling teeth).

It will make generating a protocol simpler and I know the IIG do read these threads so it should be of assistance to them.
 
GeeMack, I detected that a left kidney was missing. You calling it a lie doesn't change the fact that I detected it. I allow that I mentioned it after the fact and that therefore there is no evidence for it and I allow that you Skeptics have every reason to doubt my sincerety in this, meanwhile I do know that I did detect it before it was mentioned to me and that is why I am having the test. You can't convince me otherwise, and I won't try to convince you otherwise either. You weren't there, you don't know, and I am telling the truth. I never lie. You should see me on April Fool's Day when I try to call friends and family and make up some silly or even convincing lies, I just start giggling and can't do it. Or if I lie I feel so guilty about it I have nightmares and have to go and confess to the person. That's just the way I am.

Let's let the test decide whether I can see kidneys or not, GeeMack.
 
VisionFromFeeling said:
From having been here and wading through the insults and useless comments I have picked up all the useful suggestions and thanks to that I have been able to submit an improved version of the test protocol to the IIG.
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Please post the protocol here as you've used some of our suggestions and we'd like to see it.
 
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