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If, as it seems likely, you are the author of those videos then you have been dishonest.

I would be much more willing to look at your video if you had said that you deny the holocaust and here is the evidence (in the form of a series of videos) that you have put together to prove it.

I also think it is dishonest to try to exclude all the evidence that we have that the holocaust did happen. That is the elephant in the room that no video you produce can obscure.
 
Budly said:
My 2 guidelines are quite reasonable.
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Look, I could see limiting the discussion when talking about the Apollo Moon Landing, something which the average person is a bit ignorant on the details of, but the holocaust in WWII is just a bit out there. And then you claim to be open minded and yet limit the debate away from the biggest pieces of evidence, which I consider less "reasonable" and more "disingenuous".

Personally, I've been to Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau. I've seen the tons of human hair harvested. I've seen the thousands upon thousands of rims of glasses. I've seen the thousands of luggage cases. I've seen the ovens. I've seen the cells. I've seen pretty much everything there was to see, including the photographs taken of those exiting the trains, and mugshots of a countless variety of prisoners, each one individually recorded as dying at a certain year.

And this isn't even counting war footage, or what was discovered when the camps were liberated by both the Russians and the Americans, both of which recorded practically the same thing. I've also seen the footage of Russian doctors handling the sick and disabled survivors of the camps.

If the Holocaust never happened, it would be the most massive conspiracy on the face of the planet, even more of a conspiracy than "The Illuminati have taken over the world". It's just simply not plausible. That's why so many of us see no reason to even entertain discussion over such a restricted debate like this; because the idea is so preposterous, it's like asking us to discuss, in specific, a man walking beside a dinosaur while positing that all men walked beside dinosaurs. Why, when the initial idea was so stupid to begin with?
 
Budly said:
I am a holocaust denier, but open to your view.

There are numerous holocaust denial videos found at:
holocaustdenialvideos.com

I'm most interested in what people think about the video "One Third Of The Holocaust" found there but feel free to discuss the other holocaust denial videos also.

I am asking if anyone here can watch some episodes of one of the videos and state specifically that they don't agree with in a specific episode. I request the following guidelines:

1) Discuss a specific episode of a specific video. The videos are all broken up into episodes. Don't change subject to another holocaust topic, which the videos don't cover. For instance the comment "what about the millions who saw it happen?" would be breaking this guideline, since the videos don't cover that and it thus changes the topic.

2) Don't focus on how it is or hateful to be a denier. Rather, state specifically what you don't agree with (or agree with) in a specific episode of a specific video at holocaust denial videos dot com.

Sorry to put "specific" in bold but you wouldn't believe how hard it is to get people to do this. We'll see if anyone can do it here.
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Turning up here and suggesting the JREF skeptics discuss these videos is like a 14 year old boy popping up and saying 'hey! whaddya think of Loose Change?!'

Every single one of those videos has been debunked here at Holocaust Controversies. Whining that "those just seem like put-downs to me" is hilarious.

Perhaps, instead of trying argumentum ad YouTubium, you might have the wit to put forward a specific, focused argument yourself?

Data-dumping a 30 part video does not amount to a reasoned argument, but is in fact simply propaganda. You have met with an overwhelmingly negative response, so I guess the attempt to get people to watch videos that are three years old has failed.

I'll note in passing that while I belong to the HC blog team I did not write up any of the 'One Third of the Holocaust' videos for the simple reason that it is beneath me, as an academic, to bother with arguments that are 'written up' on a YouTube video. If one of my students submitted an essay in the form of a video they would get an instant zero, just as if they had been caught plagiarising.

I'll also note that members of the HC blog team as well as non-denier members of the RODOH forum threw down a challenge to the 'revisionist' community to debate the Aktion Reinhard camps of Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka in a formal manner.

Although a revisionist team were initially willing to pick up that gauntlet, it now looks like the team has collapsed of its own internal discord and laziness. This after we were informed privately that a number of prominent online revisionists 'flatly refused' to take part in the debate. Were you one of those who refused, 'budly' aka denierbud? I rather think you were, given the non-response to the criticisms levelled at your videos.

That, folks, is basically that. Everyone has heard of Holocaust denial, it gets mentioned in speeches by presidents and prime ministers, and reported on in newspapers when one of these troglodytes violates the laws of the few countries that criminalise it as a form of antisemitism (which it most certainly is).

But online, it seems that 'revisionism' cannot muster even a six-a-side soccer team to engage skeptics in proper debate.

Not to worry; we'll be publishing our challenge to the chickens this autumn anyway. So you guys lose doubly; you're too chicken to engage in formal debate, and you'll have to contend with the debunkings anyway.

I suspect you'll all do the la-la-la-can't-hear-you routine that is so beloved of CTs; but that's okay; you thereby confirm that you really are CTs, and not as you pretend to be, people advocating a rationally formulated argument.
 
Hey, good to see you, Nick!

For those of you who may not be aware of Nick's work, he's been doing battle with Holocaust Deniers on the intertubes for some time. Saying "Nick Terry is here" to a Denier is like saying "I think I see Gravy over there" to a 911 'droid.
(Sorry if I embarass you, Nick. Your encyclopedic memory for the crap these people spew always amazes me. I'm an unabashed fan.)
 
Good stuff Nick. I don't know you, but foolmewunz is a stand-up guy and his recommendation is good enough for me. :)
 
Budly said:
Hi QuestioningGeller:

The US Holocaust Memorial Museum website has a "Holocaust Encyclopedia." If you look up "gas chamber" you get an article called "Gassing Operations." After the article, there are 4 sources listed for further reading. Pressac's book is listed as number three, and no I don't think you're going to be able to get that removed by sending them an email with a link to this thread. Do I stand by the books allegation that 95 percent of Zyklon B was used for delousing? Answer: No, since I believe that 100% of the Zyklon B was used for delousing. But the point in the video is that a recognized source (as in recognized by the USHMM) states essentially that a pile of Zyklon B cannisters is not evidence for the holocaust. At least 95 out of 100 cannisters anyway.
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You need to focus here bud. Your post is gibberish and does not in any way resemble an answer to the questions put to you.

Why are there so many holocaust memorials in Germany? Have you ever been there?
 
lionking said:
Good stuff Nick. I don't know you, but foolmewunz is a stand-up guy and his recommendation is good enough for me. :)
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Oh, pshaw!

Seriously - skeptics more than anyone shouldn't just take my word for it, regardless that I'm an all around swell guy.... check out some of his and his co-debunkers' work on the link he posted above (and on his profile).
 
Foolmewunz said:
Oh, pshaw!

Seriously - skeptics more than anyone shouldn't just take my word for it, regardless that I'm an all around swell guy.... check out some of his and his co-debunkers' work on the link he posted above (and on his profile).
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Thus the smilie. I did check Nick out.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Hey, good to see you, Nick!

For those of you who may not be aware of Nick's work, he's been doing battle with Holocaust Deniers on the intertubes for some time. Saying "Nick Terry is here" to a Denier is like saying "I think I see Gravy over there" to a 911 'droid.
(Sorry if I embarass you, Nick. Your encyclopedic memory for the crap these people spew always amazes me. I'm an unabashed fan.)
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:blush:

As I said above, I did not take part in the debunking of the denierbud videos, so I nominate my colleagues at HC, especially Roberto Muehlenkamp and Sergey Romanov, as the Gravies of anti-denial.

I'm also not much of a blogger since most of what I work on is going into academic publications.
 
Can anybody do it?

I basically asked if anyone here wanted to take a look at some videos that promote holocaust denial and give their opinion on those videos. Not on holocaust denial in general which makes the topic too broad. We're on page 2 of the thread and just one person has done it.

Some people were upset by my parameters. Parameters are always laid out in the initial post, but I just made them very clear since it's hard to get people to focus on certain elements of the holocaust. If I said "I want to discuss the book of Genesis" would Arus808 be upset and tell me that I don't make the rules here and bring up the book of Matthew and have a general discussion about the bible?

I'll tell you what: watch 1 or more episodes of the video "One Third Of The Holocaust" found at holocaust denial videos dot com (I can't post links as a new member) and afterward, go to holocaustcontroversies dot blogspot dot com and find the rebuttal to that episode, and read that. Afterward, come back here and write your own opinion of the video. Is that too outrageous to ask?

Special request to Nick Terry: the holocaustcontroversies team never rebutted the video "Buchenwald" eventhough it's been out for years. Why? And what is your opinion of this video or of any episode it?
 
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Budly said:
I basically asked if anyone here wanted to take a look at some videos that promote holocaust denial and give their opinion on those videos.
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and I'll give you my answer, which is abundantly clear:
Any Holocaust Denial video that claims that the Holocaust did not happen, or examines specific witnesses, victims, or the like and says they are liars are videos that are dishonest and outright lying.

As pointed out, NONE of your claims are new and many sites have been provided to you to examine. YET you do nothing.
 
Budly said:
I basically asked if anyone here wanted to take a look at some videos that promote holocaust denial and give their opinion on those videos. Not on holocaust denial in general which makes the topic too broad, but their opinion on those videos which they looked at. We're on page 2 of the thread and just one person has done it.

Some people were upset by my parameters. Parameters are always laid out in the initial post, but I just made them very clear since it's hard to get people to focus on certain elements of the holocaust. If I said "I want to discuss the book of Genesis" would Arus808 be upset and tell me that I don't make the rules here and bring up the book of Matthew and have a general discussion about the bible?

I'll tell you what: watch 1 or more episodes of the video "One Third Of The Holocaust" found at holocaust denial videos dot com (I can't post links as a new member) and afterward, go to holocaustcontroversies dot blogspot dot com and find the rebuttal to that episode, and read that. Afterward, come back here and write your own opinion of the video. Is that too outrageous to ask?

Special request to Nick Terry: the holocaustcontroversies team never rebutted the video "Buchenwald" eventhough it's been out for years. Why? And what is your opinion of this video or of any episode it?
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No, I´ll tell you what: answer the questions people have asked you in this thread. That would at least go a long way towards convincing us your are actually interested in a discussion.
 
Budly said:
I'll tell you what: watch 1 or more episodes of the video "One Third Of The Holocaust" found at holocaust denial videos dot com (I can't post links as a new member) and afterward, go to holocaustcontroversies dot blogspot dot com and find the rebuttal to that episode, and read that. Afterward, come back here and write your own opinion of the video. Is that too outrageous to ask?
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And how would I recompensed for the 10 minutes I waste doing so?
 
It's pretty obvious that Budly is hoping there is someone here that is dumb and gullible enough that when they watch his nonsense videos, and play his little game they will be so convinced and pigeon holed into thinking, "OMG it really didn't happen" and then join the cult of joo obsessed nazi wannabes.

He's fishing for fresh fish...
 
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Budly said:
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Hi Arus808: you said you'd do it.
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No I didn't. My first post in this thread stated nothing of the sort.

I already gave you an answer: Any holocaust denial video that claims that the Holocaust did not happen or call the witnesses and victims liars are to be wholly ignored.
 
Budly said:
I basically asked if anyone here wanted to take a look at some videos that promote holocaust denial and give their opinion on those videos. Not on holocaust denial in general which makes the topic too broad. We're on page 2 of the thread and just one person has done it.

Some people were upset by my parameters. Parameters are always laid out in the initial post, but I just made them very clear since it's hard to get people to focus on certain elements of the holocaust. If I said "I want to discuss the book of Genesis" would Arus808 be upset and tell me that I don't make the rules here and bring up the book of Matthew and have a general discussion about the bible?

I'll tell you what: watch 1 or more episodes of the video "One Third Of The Holocaust" found at holocaust denial videos dot com (I can't post links as a new member) and afterward, go to holocaustcontroversies dot blogspot dot com and find the rebuttal to that episode, and read that. Afterward, come back here and write your own opinion of the video. Is that too outrageous to ask?

Special request to Nick Terry: the holocaustcontroversies team never rebutted the video "Buchenwald" eventhough it's been out for years. Why? And what is your opinion of this video or of any episode it?
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I'll quote myself since you have twice ignored my questions when I'm trying to discuss your specific video:

Questioninggeller said:
So you just denied that it's your video even though its the same voice over as the rest of holocaustdenialvideos.com's videos?

I hope you aren't denying that Budly, youtube.com/denierbud, holocaustdenialvideos.com are the same person.



So you are willing to pick and choose what to include based on what? You are going to accept the Holocaust Museum as a source when it suits you and ignore it when it doesn't.

That is not intellectually honest. In fact, it shows you are not "open" to other "views".

I must ask what source/reason you have for dismissing what you called a "valid source" (Pressac's book) specifically mentioned in the video:

http://holocaustdenialvideos.com/donahue_b.html

Again, we are playing by your "guidelines" to "discuss a specific episode of a specific video."
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Hi QuestioningGeller:

I already stated that I don't want to discuss my identity. And the allegation of "cherry-picking from Pressac's book: the subject was cans of Zyklon B. Pressac's book said something about that. Should the video have just stopped looking at the Phil Donohue episode and discussed everything in Pressac's book?

Hi Dudalb: That's sort of breaking Guideline #2 as I put forth in my initial post. I don't want any Jew bashing to begin which is why I put parameters on the discussion. Nor do I want this to be a discussion about "discussing Jew baiting." What I asked is very clear and reasonable. Why can't you do it?

I've given links to the videos. A link to the rebuttals. If people are afraid of exposing themselves to this information, or not interested, or not open to it, or feel it must be too outrageously at odds with reality, why bother posting to this thread?

People here think the videos are evil and hateful, and want to warn people not to view them, though they haven't seen them themselves. And the simple request remains: watch some episodes, read rebuttals, give your own opinion.
 
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