Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?

[RedIbis]

You really should read the transcripts when you pick a name at random.



In any case, a noise heard by only one person is not consistent in timing and loudness with a real man-made demolition.

You have nothing.

He says he "guesses" it was the floors pancaking. Do you think it was the floors pancaking and do you think he came to this conclusion at some later time, as opposed to his initial reaction?

 

[RedIbis]

I bet you 100 $ he won't respond to this and keep to his fixed idea.

You owe Al $100 and to prove I didn't respond after I saw your bluster we cross posted at the same time.

 

[Pardalis]

He says he "guesses" it was the floors pancaking.

He also said it "looks like", which doesn't mean "it is".

Alot of things "look" like other things.

 

[Pardalis]

You owe Al $100 and to prove I didn't respond after I saw your bluster we cross posted at the same time.

But you kept with your fixed idea. So the deal is nullified.

 

[BigAl]

He says he "guesses" it was the floors pancaking. Do you think it was the floors pancaking and do you think he came to this conclusion at some later time, as opposed to his initial reaction?

He's guessing between various sorts of sounds made by a building collapse. It's a stretch unsupported by any other evidence that he was guessing between man-made demolition and normal noises.

Countless firemen describe the pancaking in similar terms. None of them say it was the sound of man-made demolition.

And it wasn't.

You have nothing.

 

[johnny karate]

He says he "guesses" it was the floors pancaking. Do you think it was the floors pancaking and do you think he came to this conclusion at some later time, as opposed to his initial reaction?

Ahem...

Which is precisely what's wrong with relying entirely on eyewitnesses. People tend to exaggerate when they are going through or recalling a traumatic event.

Tread lightly, Red.

 

[RedIbis]

He's guessing between varios sorts of sounds made by a building collapse. It's a stretch unsupported by any other evidence that he was guessing between man-made demolition and normal noises.

Countless firemen describe the pancaking in similar terms. None of them say it was the sound of man-made demolition.

And it wasn't.

You have nothing.

In post #872 you said "Nobody heard anything at WTC consistent with man-made demolition."

Do you still think this is true or do you want me to continue to prove you're wrong. A simple mea culpa and we can move onto something else.

 

[Pardalis]

Actually, I would put more faith on what he guessed than what he felt it looked like. At least when you guess you have thought about it, just saying something looked like something doesn't involve much thought.

But the fact that you deliberately ignored the last part of the quote shows alot about you Red.

 

[TexasJack]

In post #872 you said "Nobody heard anything at WTC consistent with man-made demolition."

Do you still think this is true or do you want me to continue to prove you're wrong. A simple mea culpa and we can move onto something else.

Continue to? How about you first present some evidence, I've seen zero.

 

[A W Smith]

In post #872 you said "Nobody heard anything at WTC consistent with man-made demolition."

Do you still think this is true or do you want me to continue to prove you're wrong. A simple mea culpa and we can move onto something else.

Continue? Bird, you haven't even started!


ahem

Fair enough. I hope you stick to your intial statement in this post. Here is one in a long list of them:

Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio: “It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion.” [City of New York, 10/12/2001]

 

[johnny karate]

In post #872 you said "Nobody heard anything at WTC consistent with man-made demolition."

Do you still think this is true or do you want me to continue to prove you're wrong. A simple mea culpa and we can move onto something else.

You'd have to prove him wrong to begin with before you can continue to prove him wrong.

His original statement is correct. No one heard anything consistent with a controlled demolition. That doesn't mean people didn't perhaps see or hear something similar to a particular feature of controlled demolition, but for there to be consistency, it must completely resemble a controlled demolition. No one who watched any of the WTC buildings collapse described such a phenomenon.

 

[BigAl]

In post #872 you said "Nobody heard anything at WTC consistent with man-made demolition."

Do you still think this is true or do you want me to continue to prove you're wrong. A simple mea culpa and we can move onto something else.

You've given me nothing consistent in loudness, timing and brisance with man-made explosions.

Why do I type this stuff? Is the InterWebs on today?

The 1993 bombing (1,000 pounds of TNT, equiv) was heard by essentially everyone up and down the towers and over the approximately 24 acres of the WTC plaza yet it did no structural damage to a tower. Man-made demolition would require many such charges, better placed, in each tower.

If you do find a witness list, it will be thousands of names long reporting the same instant and unambiguous and lacking of metaphor and simile. No noise heard by only one person or a small group is consistent with man-made demolition.

The explosion will precede the collapse of the structure.

There are two good seismic records of WTC from two different organizations. They match. Neither shows anything that is evidence for man-made demolition. They show the planes impacting and parts of buildings hitting the ground.

None of the dead or injured from WTC show injuries consistent with man-made explosions or therm-anything.

You have nothing.

 

[dtugg]

I don't think it's even necessary to analyze witness statements to prove that nobody heard anything consistent with a controlled demolition. If such sounds were made, they would have been sufficiently loud to be heard on audio tracks of video recordings. Since no such recordings exist, no sounds consistent with a controlled demolition were made thus nobody could have heard them. bill smith tries to get around this by saying that the audio in the videos (all of them, some in real time) was altered.

 

[SlightlyAbovePar]

Practically the entire "Official" 9/11 report was false. It has been thoroughly disproved.

Also, anyone who watches WTC Building Number 7 fall to the ground at free fall speed and NOT think it was intentionally demolished is absolutely delusional. Wow!

Man, you guys who believe these towers simply fell as the result of planes and fire are completely off the hook insane. You probably believe Osama bin Laden orchestrated it too.

I'm late to the thread and I have not read any further, yet.

I (honest-to-God) can't tell if this is satire, or truther insanity? Surely this is good humor, at this point? My vote is pure satire and I will now read the remainder of the thread. I believe the stupid, being so bright as to burn, evidenced above can't possibly be for real.

Can it?

 

[TexasJack]

I guess Red couldn't come up with anything, no surprise there.

 

[TruthersLie]

Now you're shifting the goalposts. You're orignal claim was that "Nobody heard anything at WTC consistent with man-made demolition."

A simple review of firefighter accounts (as has been done numerous times by myself and others), as well as other eyewitnesses on the scene, reveals many descriptions quite consistent with CD.

Red.

Just so I understand you (cuz you dodge around all the time)

We are relying on eyewitness testomony, but ignoring the total lack of evidence, the lack of video which has any remote relation to a series of rapid fire concussive blasts on 9/11 for wtc7.

Is that correct?

Thank you for then debunking fully 1/2 of the twoof movement. That means we know for a FACT that a silver jet struck the pentagon, and a United jet crashed in shanksville. eyewitnesses after all... and we don't have to datamine their quotes, or take things out of context... and of course they are fully backed up with physical evidence. Thank you SOOOO MUCH for debunking that half of the twoof movement.

Now back to why you need physical evidence (you know the eyewitnesses PLUS the physical evidence which proves beyond a reasonable doubt about flt 77 and flt 93) of CD in wtc7. where is any? Any images of the tens of thousands, any video of the collapse (even from a few blocks away)... any of that would greatly help your cause...

but again I think a lot of twoofs will be mad at you for debunking them because of the eyewitness testimony.

 

[RedIbis]

Is this consistent with a CD?

Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]

 

[Scott Sommers]

We have quotes all day from firefighters at WTC 7 that the building was coming down. I guess Silverstein told them he was going to 'pull' the building. But this is so easy to underastand. Some FF were on the inside with Silverstein and some weren't. It makes perfect sense. Right?!

 

[A W Smith]

Is this consistent with a CD?

Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]

Yet Rogers describes them as collapses several times during that interview. Not controlled demolition
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110290.PDF

 

[BigAl]

Is this consistent with a CD?

Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]

He was watching the South tower from the sidewalk. Via video recorders, we've seen everything he saw and none of it sounds or looks like a bomb.

Seismic records show no bomb at that instant or any other time.

Nobody else described the beginning of the collapse of the south tower as a man-made bomb.

Nobody heard anything consistent in loudness, timing and brisance with man-made demolition.

We also have medical records that show nobody killed or injured by explosion.