Encountered my first "Truther" today

[The Big Dog]

Isn't this a skeptic's site, where extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof? In other words, this guy needs to verify his story before anyone goes firing up the lynch mob.

We "gentiles" require proof, any proof, not complaining, not the martyr action, just back up your claim that he lied.

C'mon, Red, do it, don't complain, don't bitch, just back up YOUR claim.

or stfu

 

[Justin39640]

We "gentiles" require proof, any proof, not complaining, not the martyr action, just back up your claim that he lied.

C'mon, Red, do it, don't complain, don't bitch, just back up YOUR claim.

or stfu

or say sorry

 

[deep]

Being accosted by some random jerkwad at a gas station =/= extraordinary claim.

Only because it reinforces a popular negative stereotype. If someone had a similar run-in with a debunker, wearing a JREF t-shirt, do you believe it would be accepted without any accompanying evidence? I don't.

 

[Gravy]

How odd: I've watched as truthers executed a plan to physically impede my movements; tried to prevent me from posting literature; covered up my literature when it was posted; had them rip my literature out of my hands and tear it up; had them threaten lawsuits against me for alleged "traitorous" "criminal" and "libelous" behavior (including one such threat I just learned about last week); had them encourage other truthers to stalk me; had them investigate my background and call all around the country trying to get information about me; had them publicly accuse me of not being Mark Roberts, of not being a tour guide, of being a "dual citizen," a Jew, a Christian, a Bush administration shill, an MK-Ultra victim, an agent of the CIA, FBI, NSA, Mossad, Masons, Illuminati, and a victim of unscrupulous psychiatrists who work for the JREF. Several times I have seen truthers behave so disruptively that police told them they would be arrested if they continued. Several times I have seen what I feared to be public truther nervous breakdowns, including lying down and screaming. I have seen several videos of truthers being arrested for their disruptive behavior. I have seen truthers admit to their truthy activities leading to the dissolution of their relationships with family, friends, teachers, sigoths, and spouses. A truther set himself on fire for attention. Another went on a public hunger strike. Another murdered his father. Another faked his suicide during a radio show. Another was arrested while trying to run weapons to felons wanted by the FBI. Others have sworn to join armed militias or to have actually started a militia. One said he was digging a hole in his backyard to hide in. Hundreds stood outside Larry Silverstein's office building on 9/11 and chanted "Murderer!" Truthers have repeatedly said that someone should kill me and have repeatedly threatened me with all kinds of violence, including murder. Three times I felt that truther death threats against me merited police involvement, and each time the police did take action.

What a sheltered world RedIbis must inhabit, that he finds it impossible that a hotheaded truther kid would stand behind the car of someone he's had an argument with. Where the hell has RedIbis been all these years?

 

[deep]

What a sheltered world RedIbis must inhabit, to find it incomprehensible that a hotheaded truther kid would stand behind the car of someone he's had an argument with.

Right, and if the story ended right there, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. I became somewhat skeptical after Tri said he was charged with a third-degree felony, and very skeptical after he said this person was being held without bail.

 

[R.Mackey]

This whole, sad episode is just another example of why the Truth Movement is a skid mark beside the road of human development.

The rational response, upon hearing this anecdote, is to acknowledge that the behavior described by the OP is reprehensible. If you're really here for an honest, productive conversation, you would never harass someone just because he wore an FDNY T-shirt. Ever. You would also distance yourself from anyone who did.

But no, you'd rather attack the messenger. You automatically assume that (a) no Truther could ever act like that -- despite scads of evidence to the contrary... bullhorns outside Larry Silverstein's office on the 5th anniversary, anyone? -- and hence (b) anyone who opposes you must be lying, embellishing, multifarious, whatever; leading us to (c) the correct response is to attack.

Dead wrong.

This is why the Truth Movement, to this day, is riddled with "big top" thinking, running the gamut from the clinically insane to the neo-Nazi.

If you want to convince people you aren't a bunch of nuts, this is absolutely the wrong way to do it. Grow up.

 

[Gravy]

Right, and if the story ended right there, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion. I became somewhat skeptical after Tri said he was charged with a third-degree felony, and very skeptical after he said this person was being held without bail.

Doesn't sound plausible to me, either, based only on the description of that incident. But perhaps there's more to the story, or to the kid's past, that we don't know.

 

[triforcharity]

So, you are skeptical that he was arrested and charged with a felony and a misdemeanor?? Google Florida State Statues on false imprisonment. See what you come up with Deep.

Now, here is my official comment on this whole thing.

I do not currently have a copy of the arrest report, as it has not been released to me. I will however post it here for everyone to see exactly what it entails. I will NOT however release his name, my name, or really much else other than the official narritive, and that is really about it. PLUS, not to mention, this kid is a minor, so I am not able to LEGALLY release his name to ANYONE. Not even the mods.

I will send a true copy to the mods when I recieve it, and they can decide what they will do from there.

 

[dtugg]

Only because it reinforces a popular negative stereotype. If someone had a similar run-in with a debunker, wearing a JREF t-shirt, do you believe it would be accepted without any accompanying evidence? I don't.

If, say, RedIbis claimed that this happened to him, I would call BS. But that's only because Red is a notorious liar.

 

[triforcharity]

Why exactly would I lie about something like this Red and Deep??? This is a pretty small story in comparison to the truth movement claiming that FDNY helped bring down tower 7.

So, what would be the point of this. Red thinks that it is locker room grab-ass. That is idiotic, as I didn't loose my cool, and didn't stoop to his level. Would it have made more sense if I would have back over him like a speed bump??? Makes no sense.

Red,

Why would I continue to try to kick the guy when he is down?? Why?? I have compassion for mankind. That is why I am a firefighter, I enjoy helping others, even at my own expense. I have not recieved a letter from him as of yet, but, I know from friends, sometimes it takes longer to go through the jail to the outside mail carrier. Its not like they have their own mail box in their cell block.
The reason I presented myself for him to talk to is so he could become educated on the TRUTH (not your truth, but the REAL truth) about what happened that day. If it takes me 5 bucks or 20 bucks, I don't really care much. a 20 spot isn't going to break me. So, why not?? Help him understand what really happened that day, and open his eyes. If he could hear some of the experiences that I had that day, might make him change his mind on the FDNY as a whole.

Do you agree?? yes or no Red.

 

[R.Mackey]

Doesn't sound plausible to me, either, based only on the description of that incident. But perhaps there's more to the story, or to the kid's past, that we don't know.

I understood differently -- not "held without bail," but instead "couldn't afford to or chose not to post bail." The former would be surprising; the latter, not in the least.

 

[The Big Dog]

How odd: I've watched as truthers executed a plan to physically impede my movements; tried to prevent me from posting literature; covered up my literature when it was posted; had them rip my literature out of my hands and tear it up; had them threaten lawsuits against me for alleged "traitorous" "criminal" and "libelous" behavior (including one such threat I just learned about last week); had them encourage other truthers to stalk me; had them investigate my background and call all around the country trying to get information about me; had them publicly accuse me of not being Mark Roberts, of not being a tour guide, of being a "dual citizen," a Jew, a Christian, a Bush administration shill, an MK-Ultra victim, an agent of the CIA, FBI, NSA, Mossad, Masons, Illuminati, and a victim of unscrupulous psychiatrists who work for the JREF. Several times I have seen truthers behave so disruptively that police told them they would be arrested if they continued. Several times I have seen what I feared to be public truther nervous breakdowns, including lying down and screaming. I have seen several videos of truthers being arrested for their disruptive behavior. I have seen truthers admit to their truthy activities leading to the dissolution of their relationships with family, friends, teachers, sigoths, and spouses. A truther set himself on fire for attention. Another went on a public hunger strike. Another murdered his father. Another faked his suicide during a radio show. Another was arrested while trying to run weapons to felons wanted by the FBI. Others have sworn to join armed militias or to have actually started a militia. One said he was digging a hole in his backyard to hide in. Hundreds stood outside Larry Silverstein's office building on 9/11 and chanted "Murderer!" Truthers have repeatedly said that someone should kill me and have repeatedly threatened me with all kinds of violence, including murder. Three times I felt that truther death threats against me merited police involvement, and each time the police did take action.

What a sheltered world RedIbis must inhabit, that he finds it impossible that a hotheaded truther kid would stand behind the car of someone he's had an argument with. Where the hell has RedIbis been all these years?

Hey, I just learned that Aldo the Buffet Slayer threatened to kick me in the teeth. I'd be worried, but c'mon, the likelihood of Aldo getting one of those hams above his waist is "slim."

Hee hee!

 

[Justin39640]

How odd: I've watched as truthers executed a plan to physically impede my movements; tried to prevent me from posting literature; covered up my literature when it was posted; had them rip my literature out of my hands and tear it up; had them threaten lawsuits against me for alleged "traitorous" "criminal" and "libelous" behavior (including one such threat I just learned about last week); had them encourage other truthers to stalk me; had them investigate my background and call all around the country trying to get information about me; had them publicly accuse me of not being Mark Roberts, of not being a tour guide, of being a "dual citizen," a Jew, a Christian, a Bush administration shill, an MK-Ultra victim, an agent of the CIA, FBI, NSA, Mossad, Masons, Illuminati, and a victim of unscrupulous psychiatrists who work for the JREF. Several times I have seen truthers behave so disruptively that police told them they would be arrested if they continued. Several times I have seen what I feared to be public truther nervous breakdowns, including lying down and screaming. I have seen several videos of truthers being arrested for their disruptive behavior. I have seen truthers admit to their truthy activities leading to the dissolution of their relationships with family, friends, teachers, sigoths, and spouses. A truther set himself on fire for attention. Another went on a public hunger strike. Another murdered his father. Another faked his suicide during a radio show. Another was arrested while trying to run weapons to felons wanted by the FBI. Others have sworn to join armed militias or to have actually started a militia. One said he was digging a hole in his backyard to hide in. Hundreds stood outside Larry Silverstein's office building on 9/11 and chanted "Murderer!" Truthers have repeatedly said that someone should kill me and have repeatedly threatened me with all kinds of violence, including murder. Three times I felt that truther death threats against me merited police involvement, and each time the police did take action.

What a sheltered world RedIbis must inhabit, that he finds it impossible that a hotheaded truther kid would stand behind the car of someone he's had an argument with. Where the hell has RedIbis been all these years?

i had an almost year long email debate with a truther
he threatened a few times to shoot me in the face
i didnt take him serious as he didnt have my identity, though i believed he would have
he is apparently a long island nazi as his emails were riddled with slogans and propaganda, he also always sent me emails that included "news" articles from white supremacist websites like they were links from cnn

but even though ive never had one threaten me face to face, seeing some of the reactions in yours and others videos, and reactions ive read all over the internet
tri's story doesnt shock me in the least

 

[~enigma~]

If triforcharity were to provide evidence supporting his OP to the admins of this forum, that would protect his privacy (much as T.A.M. did some time ago with his credentials). If the admins were to agree that the presented evidence did support the OP, would you accept that?

Hate to say it this way (actually I relish the chance), what is the need for trio to go through any contortions to pacify a treasonous jerk that blames the government and trios fellow firemen of murder?

 

[Audible Click]

QFT

 

[Steelmage]

The guy MIGHT have been 25 or so. Not real old, or too bright.

The reason the guy got arrested was for two reasons. First, blocking me from leaving, in the state of Florida, is false inprisonment. A felony. The second, harassing a public servant. Not a felony, but just a simple misdemeanor.

I think he lives in the next neighborhood over. Might have to have a crusie by there sometime when we are out at 3 am. Nothing says good morning like 120 db. of airhorn.

Truse me, I wanted him to try and take first swing. But, he, like most "truthers" are all talk, and no braun.

I thought you might mean no brain but I now understand it is no braun. But it can be both, as in this case, no braun or no brain.

 

[deep]

I understood differently -- not "held without bail," but instead "couldn't afford to or chose not to post bail." The former would be surprising; the latter, not in the least.

Here's the exact quote:

Now, he is being charged with a felony, and a misdemeanor. He is still in jail under no bail, as the judge deamed him a threat to the community. So, they gave him no bond. Yay!! The guy needs to be off the street.

 

[funk de fino]

It's my opinion. Argue against it but don't throw a tantrum.

There's only one proven liar in this thread so far.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Only because it reinforces a popular negative stereotype. If someone had a similar run-in with a debunker, wearing a JREF t-shirt, do you believe it would be accepted without any accompanying evidence? I don't.

I would if it was Troy from WV. For a "debunker" he plays it rather close to the edge.

"There is no cause so noble that it will not attract fuggheads"
- Larry Niven

 

[TruthersLie]

C'mon man. This is the last place people should be calling for such gentile language. Just look at the demonization of Twoofers and everything associated with it. Now, I say I don't believe the guy's story and people here get indignant. Seriously, it's ridiculous.

What's at stake was all of this locker room backslapping and fantasizing about violence against the evil Twoofers.

No.

It isn't that you just said "I don't believe this guy's story."

Is your reading and writing comprehension that bad?

what did you say? proven false. exposed as a fabrication.

please provide a citation to show you "exposing" this as a fabrication. Any citation would suffice.

Otherwise you have just slandered a member here. Do you have proof it is a fabrication? Yes or no?

it really is a simple question.