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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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Once you're born, it is all up in the air then. There is no problem with sending you off to a war to get killed in the name of god and country.

They only care about you before you are born, once born, you're history.

Paul

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zooterkin said:
So, you're equating what your god has supposedly actually done (as detailed in the bible, which you hold to be true) with what one apparently well-known atheist has stated as a philosophical position?
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Influential atheistic Princeton professor Peter Singer believes killing some babies can be in humanity's best interest. Why do atheists complain when God caused some babies to be killed in the Old Testament? Could it be possible that God is doing what is in the best interest of the universe as a whole?

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Also it is reasonable to believe God is looking at the big eternal picture where humans are only looking at short term temporal issues.
 
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kurious_kathy said:
You are SO BLIND to God's truth and mercy it's not even funny. Don't be ridiculous, all anyone deserves is death and hell but because of God's mercy many will be delivered from death and hell! JUST BELIEVE in Jesus finished work on the cross to pay the price for your sins, that's not so tough to believe is it? Jesus died for love, You need to know this!!
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Having just returned to the forums, I was surprised to see this thread still alive and kicking. Perhaps I shouldn't have been, but I was. So sifting through the last few pages I came across the above and found myself with a question.

Why would God create us, if the only things we deserve are "death and hell"? I don't mean to be facetious or smug about this, I'm actually curious as to the thinking behind this concept. To me, this sounds like a writer, working on a book that is only worthy of being pulped and burned. What writer would put time and effort into such a creation that he/she knew was going to end up being meaningless?

Again, serious inquiry here.
 
I don't know if anyone has already pointed this out but, many 'historical' works use the same methods that the N T does. I'm a historian of Roman history, and many if not most works employ the same idea of criticizing either themselves or the person or persons the work is about in order to create a false sense of truth. The best way to understand this ancient history is to find many different writers who are writing about the same event or person and compare them all. Some ancient historians claimed that Romulus was suckled by a she-wolf, many more do not, and the general thought today is that he was not. Clear and simple ancient writers have to be taken with a block of salt, I don't care who they say they are. Now this is how history is composed, so why is religious history any different. Though I'm sure some would say that the N T does have many authors writing about the same events and people and their stories all match up so religion is all true. Well to that I always say, 'no I want other people, people whose books are not a part of the bible.' And to that I leave you, show me many other Historians who at that time wrote the same stories as the people of the N T.
 
Christiaan said:
I don't know if anyone has already pointed this out but, many 'historical' works use the same methods that the N T does. I'm a historian of Roman history, and many if not most works employ the same idea of criticizing either themselves or the person or persons the work is about in order to create a false sense of truth. The best way to understand this ancient history is to find many different writers who are writing about the same event or person and compare them all. Some ancient historians claimed that Romulus was suckled by a she-wolf, many more do not, and the general thought today is that he was not. Clear and simple ancient writers have to be taken with a block of salt, I don't care who they say they are. Now this is how history is composed, so why is religious history any different. Though I'm sure some would say that the N T does have many authors writing about the same events and people and their stories all match up so religion is all true. Well to that I always say, 'no I want other people, people whose books are not a part of the bible.' And to that I leave you, show me many other Historians who at that time wrote the same stories as the people of the N T.
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Thanks for the post; that was interesting.
 
joobz said:
Your bible also doesn't say slavery is immoral and says god creates evil.
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You're flooding the thread again with your slavery issue; I've already responded to this issue in posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

You need to come up with something new or go find another topic.

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And you can't have goodness and holiness without the opposite of evil existing. The good new is God gives us the great gift of Free Will not to choose evil. Unfortunately some choose evil which is why the world is where it is now. Read the paper.
 
DOC said:
You're flooding the thread again with your slavery issue; I've already responded to this issue in posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

You need to come up with something new or go find another topic.
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No, you need to tell us why you think you have a good so-called god, because by many accounts you don't.

Slavery being one of them.

Paul

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DOC said:
You're flooding the thread again with your slavery issue; I've already responded to this issue in posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

You need to come up with something new or go find another topic.
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Hey cool! Now do it for "11 of 12 apostles".
 
Christiaan said:
I don't know if anyone has already pointed this out but, many 'historical' works use the same methods that the N T does. I'm a historian of Roman history, and many if not most works employ the same idea of criticizing either themselves or the person or persons the work is about in order to create a false sense of truth. The best way to understand this ancient history is to find many different writers who are writing about the same event or person and compare them all. Some ancient historians claimed that Romulus was suckled by a she-wolf, many more do not, and the general thought today is that he was not. Clear and simple ancient writers have to be taken with a block of salt, I don't care who they say they are. Now this is how history is composed, so why is religious history any different. Though I'm sure some would say that the N T does have many authors writing about the same events and people and their stories all match up so religion is all true. Well to that I always say, 'no I want other people, people whose books are not a part of the bible.' And to that I leave you, show me many other Historians who at that time wrote the same stories as the people of the N T.
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Let me give you some examples from Geisler's book (pg. 223) cited in post # 1 of this thread. All of the following facts were derived collectively from the 10 "Non-Christian" sources. These sources include such people as Josephus, Tacitus, Celsus etc.

1) Jesus lived during time of Tiberius Caesar.

2) He lived a virtuous life.

3) He was a wonder worker.

4) He had a brother {some say cousin} named James.

5) He was acclaimed to be the Messiah.

6) He was crucified under Pontius Pilate.

7) He was crucified on the eve of the Jewish Passover.

8) Darkness and an earthquake occurred when he died.

9) His disciples believe he rose from the dead.

10) His disciples were willing to die for their belief.

11) Christianity spread as far as Rome.

12) His disciples denied the Roman gods and worshiped Jesus as God.

Remember these are all facts that can be found in "Non-Christian" independent sources.
 
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joobz said:
So, DOC, Did Paul write Hebrews?
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DOC said:
Well my bible doesn't say.
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joobz said:
Your bible also doesn't say slavery is immoral and says god creates evil.
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DOC said:
You're flooding the thread again with your slavery issue; I've already responded to this issue in posts:

2752, 2705, 2696, 2490, 2501, 2505, 2509, 2513, 2422, 1947, 1889, 1878, 1793, 1775, 1811, 1802, 1795, and 1100.

You need to come up with something new or go find another topic.
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RoboTimbo said:
Hey cool! Now do it for "11 of 12 apostles".
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At least my posts about the 11 of 12 apostles who died a martyrs death are somehow related to the posts I respond to. Please explain how slavery is related to the question "Hey DOC did Paul write Hebrews?" Bottom line is he is flooding the thread with this issue.
 
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