Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen?

dudalb said:
Is h.g Whiz a racist, a troll trying to get a rise out of people, or just incredibly stupid? No other possibilities exist.
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I can think of another possibility. Whiz is a racist and a troll and incredibly stupid. Simultaneously.

...and other permutations that don't matter.
 
Yes he is a natural born citizen. Either that or I myself am not; given that I have the exact same amount of proof. I really doubt INS will deport me for saying that I only have COLB.
 
Foolmewunz said:
The number of blatant racist remarks I've seen in political threads (or could be Current Events) in the last couple of days remind me not to put these people on ignore but to call them out.

Tell us, HGWhiz, do you actually think that "President Blackface" is a clever remark?

Is this some kind of open season because there's an African-American in the White House? All's fair in love, war, and politics so you can trot out not even thinly disguised racist comments?
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Dude, HGW, what the ****?

What the ****?????
 
Sabrina said:
I truly cannot BELIEVE people are still on about this.

The fact that it's bleeding over into the military at this point is also untenable to me. The man has been elected. The Supreme Court; the highest authority in the land when it comes to law; had long since approved both Obama and McCain to run for the highest office in the land.

HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ACCORDING TO THE HIGHEST COURT IN THE COUNTRY!

If that isn't enough for you, what is?

I also have a question; how is your birth certificate "fake" exactly? If it's a notarized copy of the original document, it is legitimate. If it simply says "Certification of live birth" (as mine does, I believe) it is legitimate. And is a fully legal document proving citizenship. So how is yours "fake" exactly?
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In their cognitive dissonance the birthers have come to an extraordinary conclusion... even the SCOTUS is "in on it" and the federal government should therefore not be trusted at all.

Unless, of course, they (the birthers) are the ones in charge of the federal government ;)
 
Juniversal said:
Indeed. If as some birthers cry, Obama waved his birth certificate in everybody's face in a press conferance to quell concern for his citizenship, birthers would still dismiss it as being fake or complain that it's not the original. That wont be satisfied and always find something inadequate in the explanation (same tactic truthers or other conspiracist use).

A copy of his certificate is shown?? They say it's fake and ask "why his aunt say's she saw him born in Kenya" or why he has lawyers blocking it's release lol. In there eyes those questions (which are mostly falsehoods) are enough reason to ignore the facts and to continue to embrace the conspiracy. They simply wont be satisfied with any answer.
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Exactly this sort of thing happened when last Friday MSNBC's Chris Matthews challenged G. Gordon Liddy on his birther claims...



Wow, monuments could be built to Liddy's moving of the goalposts & special pleading... :rolleyes:
 
h.g.Whiz said:
I am not a racist, incredibly stupid maybe as for troll, I don't know what the heck a troll is.
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Given that this is a skeptical forum, I'm guessing that readers are going to assign more weight to your vile, racist post than to your empty denial.
 
LashL said:
There is a website that collects (and corrects) the birther nonsense at obamaconspiracy.org

I had recently read one of Berg's lawsuits and one of Taitz's lawsuits, but I had no idea that there were so many more. At the site noted above, there is a page on the various lawsuits, with links to documents and such. I have not read them all, but one in particular is downright vile, and I do mean vile. (Not surprisingly, it is the one apparently filed by the Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri).

This is utterly insane, truly.
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I looked up the case that you mentioned. I didn't get very far through it. Don't think I ever really realized how messed up those hard-core racists are. "Seedlines"? Bible quotes as legal arguments? Outright declaring Obama ineligible for the presidency based on his race? Combine that with the incredibly offensive language and bizzare legal theories and then actually try to submit that garbage to a court of law?

Those loonies scare the bejeebus out of me.
 
According to a poll made by Research 2000, only 77% of the population accepts that Obama was born in the US; 23% either believes the contrary or professes to be unsure. The good news is that if you don't live in the South, where the figures are respectively 47% and 53%, then you can assume that not much more than 10% of your neighbors are doubters or deniers. If you do live in the South, too bad for you.

Copied from the report at Politico.com (I've made some typographical alterations for clarity; this site will not let me post the URL):

Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 7/27-30. All adults. MoE 2% (No trend lines)

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

Yes 77
No 11
Not sure 12

By party (yes / no / not sure):
Dem: 93 / 4 / 3
Rep: 42 / 28 / 30
Ind: 83 / 8 / 9

By region (yes / no / not sure):
Northeast: 93 / 4 / 3
Midwest: 90 / 6 / 4
West: 87 / 7 / 6
South: 47 / 23 / 30

By age (yes / no / not sure):
18-29: 88 / 4 / 8
30-44: 72 / 14 / 14
45-59: 82 / 8 / 10
60+: 69 / 17 / 14
 
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Kritikos said:
According to a poll made by Research 2000, only 77% of the population accepts that Obama was born in the US; 23% either believes the contrary or professes to be unsure. The good news is that if you don't live in the South, where the figures are respectively 47% and 53%, then you can assume that not much more than 10% of your neighbors are doubters or deniers. If you do live in the South, too bad for you.

Copied from the report at Politico.com (I've made some typographical alterations for clarity; this site will not let me post the URL):

Research 2000 for Daily Kos. 7/27-30. All adults. MoE 2% (No trend lines)

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

Yes 77
No 11
Not sure 12

By party (yes / no / not sure):
Dem: 93 / 4 / 3
Rep: 42 / 28 / 30
Ind: 83 / 8 / 9

By region (yes / no / not sure):
Northeast: 93 / 4 / 3
Midwest: 90 / 6 / 4
West: 87 / 7 / 6
South: 47 / 23 / 30

By age (yes / no / not sure):
18-29: 88 / 4 / 8
30-44: 72 / 14 / 14
45-59: 82 / 8 / 10
60+: 69 / 17 / 14
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As for links,you can put instead of dots space,so system won't recognise link.(Until you get 15 posts I think and there are different ways to "mask" links)

Unfortunately I cannot find that article,since I would like to know number of polled and if possible criterions for their selection.

From experience in my country,selection can make huge difference and is often "corrected/changed" depending on who is paying for poll.
(So different poll-companies have often huge differencies and rarely are close to reality)
 
Klimax said:
As for links,you can put instead of dots space,so system won't recognise link.(Until you get 15 posts I think and there are different ways to "mask" links)

Unfortunately I cannot find that article,since I would like to know number of polled and if possible criterions for their selection.
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This will be my fifteenth post, so after I make it I will try to edit it and insert the link.

Okay, here's the link:

Politico.com
 
Kritikos said:
This will be my fifteenth post, so after I make it I will try to edit it and insert the link.

Okay, here's the link:

Politico.com
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Thanks.No wonder I couldn't find it.

Hm.No link,no methodology,no detail. As some commenters there noted,Daily Kos is not exactly trustworthy...

Lets see other polls(possibly bigger and known methodology),then assume something.

My 0.02€.
 
Klimax said:
Hm.No link,no methodology,no detail.
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I've started a thread on this.

The methodology is given here:

Methodology

DKOS WEEKLY NATIONAL POLL 2009

The Daily Kos weekly National Poll was conducted by Research 2000 July 27 through July 30, 2009. A total of 2400 adults nationally were interviewed by telephone. A cross-section of calls was made into each state in the country in order to reflect the adult population nationally.

The margin for error, according to standards customarily used by statisticians, is no more than plus or minus 2% percentage points. This means that there is a 95 percent probability that the "true" figure would fall within that range if the entire adult population were sampled. The margin for error is higher for any demographic subgroup, such as gender, race, or region. ​
 
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