Israel bans use of word "Nakba" in textbooks

[Marc39]

Palestinian suicide bombers are merely a reaction to Israeli violence , unjustice and occupation. They just make use of their right to selfedefense.

Offensive armed conflict, which Arabs engage in against Israel, does not constitute self-defense. You ought to be able to discern the differences. You also should try to grasp that Palestinian suicide bombers are a result of a religiously-inspired intolerance of a non-Islamic Israeli state existing in their midst. For the same reason, Christians are being persecuted and driven out of the region in droves.

Israelis have their country now, they dont need not stealing the Palestinian land with those illegal settlements in the westbank. all the fault of those violent and trouble making Israelis, just because they cannot get enough and have expansionist wet dreams. They just want to kill off all the Palestinins.

The JNF owns land in the West Bank purchased legally from Arab landowners during Ottoman rule in the late 19th century through the 20th century. Jews should be permitted to live on Jewish-owned land. Thousands of illegal Arab immigrants flood into the West Bank and build houses illegally, paying no taxes. You clearly are oblivioius to what is really going on.

The World War I Allies transferred sovereignty over Palestine--all of
Palestine--to the Jews after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. It would behoove you to become more knowledgeable of the history of the region so that you don't merely post uninformed propaganda. Otherwise, why even post about the Middle East?

 

[Pardalis]

Palestinian suicide bombers are merely a reaction to Israeli violence , unjustice and occupation. They just make use of their right to selfedefense.

Did Dictator Cheney actually say that?

and people like you and your fellow radicals on the Israeli side are helping proving their twisted world view with your twisted worldview.

im just extremly happy that atleast on the Israeli side such radicals and racists like you are a small minority nobody takes serious.

you are a joke.

The way you've just apologized and literally excused the suicide terrorist attacks, you're the one who is a joke and who has a twisted worldview.

 

[DC]

Offensive armed conflict, which Arabs engage in against Israel, does not constitute self-defense. You ought to be able to discern the differences. You also should try to grasp that Palestinian suicide bombers are a result of a religiously-inspired intolerance of a non-Islamic Israeli state existing in their midst. For the same reason, Christians are being persecuted and driven out of the region in droves.



The JNF owns land in the West Bank purchased legally from Arab landowners during Ottoman rule in the late 19th century through the 20th century. Jews should be permitted to live on Jewish-owned land. Thousands of illegal Arab immigrants flood into the West Bank and build houses illegally, paying no taxes. You clearly are oblivioius to what is really going on.

The World War I Allies transferred sovereignty over Palestine--all of
Palestine--to the Jews after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. It would behoove you to become more knowledgeable of the history of the region so that you don't merely post uninformed propaganda. Otherwise, why even post about the Middle East?

LOL, but the sad part is, you actually belive the crap you post. you are full with onesided propaganda and claim to be knowledgeble about the case.

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[Pardalis]

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[DC]

Did Dictator Cheney actually say that?





The way you've just apologized and literally excused the suicide terrorist attacks, you're the one who is a joke and who has a twisted worldview.

before i posted that totaly onesided and distorted posts. i actually wrote that i also can be that onesided like Marc. You must have missed it.

No actually i dont blame only one side.

 

[DC]

Palestinians are entitled to live in Palestine or anywhere else for that matter, without being subjected to violence and occupation.

Palestinians have still no army to protect them, so that part is done by the terrorist groups.

your "justifications" for Israeli terrorists can also be used to justify the Palestinian terrorists.


when you think its ok for Israeli terrorists to kill civillians and spreading terror to protect the Israelis, why is it not for the Palestinian side?

i can also be as onesided as you are.
the whole thing is only to blame on the jews. They lost theyr homeland and lived in Diaspora all over the world.

but instead of geting over it and integrate into the new homelands, they created a movement to recreate theyr homeland that now belongs to others.
thats the reason for all the violence and problems in Palestina and that so called Israel. the blame goes to the so called ISraelis. The Palestinians are only defending their homeland in selfdefence from those so called Israelis that belive some god promised them something.

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[Pardalis]

No actually i dont blame only one side.

I'm sorry but there is only one side to blame for terrorist bombings.

 

[DC]

I'm sorry but there is only one side to blame for terrorist bombings.

also for Israeli terrorism i have to blame the Arabs, but for the Palestinain terrorism i cant blame Israel, i also must blame the arabs.

okey...

 

[Pardalis]

Damn Swiss.

 

[Marc39]

Originally Posted by The Fool
Amazing. any small discrepancy. Like who is the leader of the plo and who isn't? Should he get the president of the US correct? Who is the Israeli president and who isn't.....should we let him just give that title to someone if he wants to add weight to a quote. Like suggesting that haaretz is biased because of what its editor says....ooops its not the editor its some past editor...

But you don't want to defend him do you....just cut him a little slack. A little slack with basic facts.

I'm actually surprised, I honestly didn't think there would be anyone here willing to be an apologist for a campaign of deliberate repeated dishonesty.

And with that post you successfully avoided to answer his argument.

I'm actually surprised of what that leader of the PLO (he's a leader, not the leader) had to say about Palestinians.

Chronic confusion from The Fool abounds. IIRC, I described Zuheir Mohsan as "A Palestinian leader or Palestinian Leader" and not "The Palestiniain leader" That would have been Arafat. There are several leaders. But, this is the usual tactic of attempting to distract out of an inability to debate based on knowledge of the subject matter.

The Fool has made repeated statements supporting the so-called nakba against Israel and has expressed moral outrage at Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. When I merely asked him elementary questions about the so-called nakba, such as on what basis Israel is a nakba or catastrophe, he proved to be completely unknowledgeable of the whole nakba subject.

When I asked him who the Palestinians are, he offered unintelligible gibberish purporting to be a response, displaying no understanding whatsoever of who Palestiniains even are.

What else is new?

 

[Marc39]

also for Israeli terrorism i have to blame the Arabs, but for the Palestinain terrorism i cant blame Israel, i also must blame the arabs.

okey...

Are you unaware, too, that Palestinians are Arabs? Hint: They are.

 

[DC]

Damn Swiss.

okey lets blame the swiss then. without switzerland there would be world peace, we know.

 

[DC]

Are you unaware, too, that Palestinians are Arabs? Hint: They are.

i blame Semites for all the violence.

 

[Taarkin]

And, if they do come back, they better have deep pockets with which to buy some land, as the Jews have done.

Bulldozers and howitzers will also suffice.

 

[Marc39]

Bulldozers and howitzers will also suffice.

That's called property rights.

 

[FireGarden]

thats the reason for all the violence and problems in Palestina and that so called Israel. the blame goes to the so called ISraelis. The Palestinians are only defending their homeland in selfdefence from those so called Israelis that belive some god promised them something.

DC,
Please don't descend to his level with all the "so-called" crap. I know he's getting under your skin -- but there are better ways to scratch.

 

[DC]

DC,
Please don't descend to his level with all the "so-called" crap. I know he's getting under your skin -- but there are better ways to scratch.

yes i realise it was a stupid idea
sorry

 

[FireGarden]

Palestinians are entitled to live in Palestine or anywhere else for that matter, without being subjected to violence and occupation.

Except, if they do not own land.

Even if they don't own land, they have a right to live in Palestine.

But, in the other thread, you were asked a straight forward question:
"What do you think should happen to the people already living on the land?"

And, even from your weasel-word answers, I know that you don't respect the rights of Palestinians to live where they were born.

 

[FireGarden]

NO, but in their minds, what happened, the dispossession, is directly related to the creation of Israel. The "catastrophe" is synonymous with the creation of Israel (again, in their minds), and as long as it will be seen and taught that way, no peace, no reconciliation.

What makes you so sure of what's in their minds?

And, if your right, the way to get around this is to ban reference to the Nakba in school books? What happens to the general teaching of history? Must it be whitewashed or merely renamed?

You know, sometimes an acknowledgement of facts and an apology can help to move things forward. I wonder how much of this is a reaction to Obama's Cairo speech. There was a lot of fuss of his mentioning Palestinian suffering as well as the Holocaust:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1090534.html

Only the Israeli analysts tried to diminish the speech's importance ("not terrible"), to spread fear ("he mentioned the Holocaust and the Nakba in a single breath"), or were insulted on our behalf ("he did not mention our right to the land as promised in the Bible"). All these were redundant and unnecessary. Obama emerged Thursday as a true friend of Israel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/04/barack-obama-speech-islam-west

More striking, he did not confine his recognition of Palestinian suffering to the situation since 1967. "For more than 60 years, they have endured the pain of dislocation," he said, surely coming closer than any previous US president to acknowledging what Palestinians call the nakba – catastrophe – of 1948. And he repeated his demand for Israeli settlement activity to stop.

And the Israeli reaction seems to be "Oh ****! There goes control of the narrative." Well, maybe they can compensate by removing the Nakba from school books. (Or maybe it fled of it's own accord -- great joke I heard!)

 

[Marc39]

And, if your right, the way to get around this is to ban reference to the Nakba in school books? What happens to the general teaching of history? Must it be whitewashed or merely renamed?

The War of Independence is, correctly, highlighted in Israeli schoolbooks as it was a valiantly fought war that resulted in the realization of the dream of Israeli statehood.

This is a matter of historical fact. Arabs, perversely, characterizing a war STARTED BY ARABS as resulting in a catastrophe that is, somehow, Israel's fault is demented.

By the way, have you figured out, yet, how Israel has been a catastrophe for Arabs? I've asked you 10 times.

You know, sometimes an acknowledgement of facts and an apology can help to move things forward. I wonder how much of this is a reaction to Obama's Cairo speech. There was a lot of fuss of his mentioning Palestinian suffering as well as the Holocaust:

You are suggesting Israel apologize for existing? No rational person would agree.

And the Israeli reaction seems to be "Oh ****! There goes control of the narrative." Well, maybe they can compensate by removing the Nakba from school books. (Or maybe it fled of it's own accord -- great joke I heard!)

The historically accurate narrative is that Arabs launched a war against Israel in 1948, lost the war and the Arab refugees were rejected for resettlement by their own Arab brethren.