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9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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Good job 9/11... but you'll not likely get far with these nitwits.

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translation?

In case anyone still cares (I really just want the practice...):

Which actually explains a lot. Essentially your whole "ignorante und somit relativ faktenfreie Lebenseinstellung". ;)

This should be quite obvious to English speakers. It basically says that 9/11-investigator has an "ignorant and relatively fact free life attitude".

Wieso sollen mich Meinungen interessieren von kleine Leute aus dritter Hand?

This one is a bit more complex, and is basically saying "why should I care about the third hand opinions of 'little people'".

I hope that helps a little. I'm not good with Dutch though...
 
I have always found "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" A very good overview. Although it is not specifically about Hitler, it gives a very good contextual big picture of what the Nazis were about
 
One had to be very careful about biographies of Hitler in general. For obvious reasons, many people wrote "biographies" of his where the relationship to reality is between tenuous and nonexistent.

For example, there is Speer's popular "Inside the Third Reich", which always reminds me of "verbal" in The Usual Suspects -- he puts TONS of tiny little details in every chapter EXCEPT the ones that actually matter, e.g., his knowledge of the atrocities or his control of slave labor, which are given -- in the entire book -- at most a few paragraphs, much less than is given to, say, Hitler's table manners or Goering's love of luxury.

Another famous but worthless work is "The Life and Death of Adolf Hitler" by Payne, which has Hitler doing numerous things which he never did: faking art, being dirty with lice, engaging in sadomasochistic sex, going by the name of "Schikelgruber", visiting his half-brother in England, believing in astrology, sending a delegation to have a secret meeting behind the lines with the Soviets in 1943, etc.

An excellent review of such spurious biographies can be found in Waite's The Psychopathic God, in the chapter "A Note on Spurious Sources". For example, he notes that the stories of Hitler being a down-and-out bum in Vienna has some basis in fact, but in reality he was not nearly as "down and out" as he was often portrayed. This description of him, notes Waite, comes mainly from two lifelong bums and petty criminals who tried, during the 1930s, to cash in on the fact that they were living in Vienna boarding-houses at roughly the same time when Hitler was. Naturally, they invented numerous "spicy" details to sell their books -- fables that were later repeated in history books.

Some historians fell for these liars' descriptions of Hitler in Vienna since each of these "biographers" vouches for the accuracy of the other -- which, Waite notes, is "not unlike accepting mutual character testimonies from Uriah Heep and Seth Pecksniff".

As to Speer, Sereny's "Albert Speer: His Battle With Truth" is brilliantly devastating to his credibility... and leads to the pretty geneal agreement by most scholars today that he lied and lied about just about everything...from his presense for Himmiler's Posnan speech to his direct knowledge and utilization of forces slave labor in the arms industry, as well as his direct knowledge of the work conditions.

Evans also was quite unimpressed with Speer's veracity. Surprise, surprise.
 
Before this thread turns into a total train wreck, allow me to be the first (next?) to say: "I for one, welcome our jewish overlords... and ladies."

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(That's Noa Tishby, in case any of you open minded types were wondering.)
 
This should be quite obvious to English speakers. It basically says that 9/11-investigator has an "ignorant and relatively fact free life attitude".

A more elegant translation would be "ignorant and thus relatively fact-free mindset."

This one is a bit more complex, and is basically saying "why should I care about the third hand opinions of 'little people'".

Two thumbs up! Let´s call it an A- overall. :D

It is such a rare pleasure to see good German from foreigners.
 
http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/7264/the-denial-twist/

A most interesting article on two of the best known holocuast deniers....

I find the following quote in part III of this story quite telling of the intellectual dishonesty that has taken place by the denier/revisionists in this thread in using both the IHR and Weber as sources, since Weber himself admits that earlier arguments of deniers/revisionists are likely not accurate:
Sitting across from Mark Weber, formerly the leading light of American Holocaust revisionism, in his California office, I asked him the unavoidable question: did the gas chambers ever exist? “There may have been gas chambers,” he said. But he wanted to make a larger point about the war and historical memory: “It would be astonishing if a historical chapter as big as the Holocaust weren’t subject to some exaggeration. The same is true of Stalin—how many people did he kill? Estimates vary. Now the idea that the Holocaust is free of this kind of exaggeration is almost impossible.”

From there, Weber segued to the discussion he hopes to have more of, since he now is willing to concede—to use his words—“the immense catastrophe in which millions of European Jews died during World War II.” Today, Weber is much more interested in Jewish-Zionist power, which of course, he says, is what allows that Jewish suffering to be exaggerated.

It's clear that the goalposts, they are still moving.
 
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Thanks. Right you are. Richard J. Evans. One of the better histories I've read recently.

Kershaw's books were also extremely good and interesting.

Both court historians, both paid by the institution that got its prestige from their own explanation of history, the British state.

Some interpretations of history are more profitable than others:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/payments.html

Evans received 70,000 GBP for his testimony.

Irving, one of the last true remaining heroes of the West, was sentenced to 3 years of jail.

That's the difference. As long as this situation remains we cannot hope that a more realistic view on WW2 and the 'holocaust' will prevail.
 
Good job 9/11... but you'll not likely get far with these nitwits.

Really? In your second post here you call the folks here "nitwits"? Really?

Please explain why people participating in this thread are nitwits.
 
I find the following quote in part III of this story quite telling of the intellectual dishonesty that has taken place by the denier/revisionists in this thread in using both the IHR and Weber as sources, since Weber himself admits that earlier arguments of deniers/revisionists are likely not accurate:


It's clear that the goalposts, they are still moving.

Weber is tired.

He wants to be 'respected'. He wants a job, a good income, respect. He is tired of the holocaust.

Weber cannot prove that there were gas chambers:

I asked him the unavoidable question: did the gas chambers ever exist? “There may have been gas chambers,” he said.

There may have, there may not have, indeed.

But as it is the forensic data does not lead any such conclusion.

Keep looking for us.
 
http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/7264/the-denial-twist/

A most interesting article on two of the best known holocuast deniers....

They may be the best known in the US but they certainly are not the most prominent. They are good at PR but they are not very productive. The most productive and intellectually profound are from Europe:

1. Germar Rudolf
2. Robert Faurisson
3. Carlo Mattogno
4. David Irving

Those are the ones that paid for their convictions.
 
Before this thread turns into a total train wreck, allow me to be the first (next?) to say: "I for one, welcome our jewish overlords... and ladies."

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(That's Noa Tishby, in case any of you open minded types were wondering.)

If this thread were to turn into a 'train wreck' it will be because of your sabotage efforts.
 
(not to mention his appalling taste in art and building, music.

Are you sure that your judgment is not troubled by your intense desire to place yourself on the 'good side'?

It's rather simple to refute your silly notions.

http://www.hitler.org/art/

Mind you, Hitler painted this himself!

One of my favorite's:

http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building5.jpg
http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building4.jpg

Not world class, but nevertheless, not bad at all.

But appreciating this makes me a Nazi, doesn't it, oh dweller of the Disney Universe of the Good and the Bad.
 
I find the following quote in part III of this story quite telling of the intellectual dishonesty that has taken place by the denier/revisionists in this thread in using both the IHR and Weber as sources, since Weber himself admits that earlier arguments of deniers/revisionists are likely not accurate:


It's clear that the goalposts, they are still moving.

For people who do not know Weber here is a classic radio show where Weber is interviewed about the holocaust by a (Jewish) talk show host:

http://www.ihraudio.dreamhost.com/revisionism_on_kfi_am640.mp3

Representatives of the Wiesenthal center were also invited but they chickened out at the last moment. They know that they don't have a chance in hell.

From the IHR audio site:

With its 24-hour 50,000-watt signal, and enormous listening audience in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, KFI is easily the biggest talk-radio station on the west coast. And Ted O'Keefe and Mark Weber were scheduled for a live in-studio debate with Aaron Breitbart, senior researcher from the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center. Breitbart chickened out at the last minute, so for over 2 hours — from 7:30 PM until 10:00 PM — on the evening of December 17, 1990, roughly a million KFI listeners from as far away as Oregon and Texas got an unforgettable dose of history in accord with the facts. This is probably the most effective case for Holocaust revisionism ever carried over the airwaves.


A very good introduction!
 
Are you sure that your judgment is not troubled by your intense desire to place yourself on the 'good side'?

It's rather simple to refute your silly notions.

http://www.hitler.org/art/

Mind you, Hitler painted this himself!

YOU do know the difference between his TASTE in art (which was bad) and the art that HE created (which by far are really good, even his caricatures). One can be a good artist, but have atrocious taste IN OTHER people's art creations
 
YOU do know the difference between his TASTE in art (which was bad) and the art that HE created (which by far are really good, even his caricatures). One can be a good artist, but have atrocious taste IN OTHER people's art creations

No you can't.

Give me examples of his 'atrocious taste'.

Arnold Breker? Wagner?
 
For people who do not know Weber here is a classic radio show where Weber is interviewed about the holocaust by a (Jewish) talk show host:

http://www.ihraudio.dreamhost.com/revisionism_on_kfi_am640.mp3

Representatives of the Wiesenthal center were also invited but they chickened out at the last moment. They know that they don't have a chance in hell.

From the IHR audio site:

With its 24-hour 50,000-watt signal, and enormous listening audience in the Los Angeles metropolitan area, KFI is easily the biggest talk-radio station on the west coast. And Ted O'Keefe and Mark Weber were scheduled for a live in-studio debate with Aaron Breitbart, senior researcher from the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center. Breitbart chickened out at the last minute, so for over 2 hours — from 7:30 PM until 10:00 PM — on the evening of December 17, 1990, roughly a million KFI listeners from as far away as Oregon and Texas got an unforgettable dose of history in accord with the facts. This is probably the most effective case for Holocaust revisionism ever carried over the airwaves.


A very good introduction!

And kudos to a sympathetic Jewish host.
 
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