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"Neda". Watched it. Not cool.

Counting the minutes until the "Useful Idiots" in the West start supporting Ahmandinejad's cospiracy theories.

Our friend Thierry Meyssan is already all over it, has been since day one. He's also purporting conspiracy theories about Buttho's death (needless to say, he's calling the CIA and Mossad as the culprits as well).

These guys are so predictable.
 
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And who would have guessed she'd have died in such a dramatic way, blood gushing out her pretty facial orifices, and that it would be caught so clearly on camera!

If'n only she'd been more like most of the other deaths. Rotten luck for the conspirators that a guy with a cell phone cam happened to be there. Rats! :mad:
2 cell phones. There are 2 different videos.
 
They should be careful, countries have started wars for much less.

If they continue to arrest diplomats and embassy employees, we may at one point consider this acts of war.

Iran got away with it back in 1979/80,so why not again?
 
Remind me again... what is the name of the current Dictator-for-Life of Iraq? There isn't one, is there?

That could change.

I agree with you in one respect, about time telling how it turns out. Whether the wonderful results gifted to Iraq by America and the Coalition, as led by George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Don Rumsfeld and later Robert Gates and Gen. Petraeus, will be properly nurtured by the defeatist, freedom scorning current American administration and Congress.

That Friedmanite constitution that the PNAC dirtbags imposed on them is not a gift. It's an albatross and no less likely to stink in the sun in Iraq than it was in the mountain air of Chile.

If it was as you said, then we'd have ordinary Iraqi's asking for Uday Hussein's return so that newlywed brides once again would be kidnapped and raped on their wedding nights. Only leftists (such as yourself?) seem to want that for Iraq. Not the Iraqis themselves.

Given the BS that we were fed in the past about Iraq, I have no way of knowing that the horror stories about the degenerate Hussien sons were true. I do know that after the ibvasion, the rape rooms at the prisons re-opened under new management.

How this pertains to Iran: it's time for "Operation AJAX II: The Second American Overthrow of Iranian Crazies."

We are not, nor should we be, the final arbiters of the decisions of other countries. We have no say in the rule of a nation that is staying within its borders. Don't like being a citizen of what you consider a wimp nation? Find another. This one has been taken over by rational people again.
 
That could change.



That Friedmanite constitution that the PNAC dirtbags imposed on them is not a gift. It's an albatross and no less likely to stink in the sun in Iraq than it was in the mountain air of Chile.

Chile worked well. If not, then why is it stabel today? On the other hand, Allende was a stalinist who was on good terms with Fidel Castro (who was also a stalinist).

Iraq was a bad call, yes, but what was the west to do? Let a Stalinist like Saddam Run the country with his Iron Fist? He Embezzled the oil for food money on his palaces. His Kleptocracy would have made Mobutu and Milosevic proud.

Given the BS that we were fed in the past about Iraq, I have no way of knowing that the horror stories about the degenerate Hussien sons were true. I do know that after the ibvasion, the rape rooms at the prisons re-opened under new management.

Let us see, mutilation of dissidents. Last i checked that stopped with saddam's overthrow.

As well as that, there is testimony of Uday Hussein behaving like Lavrentiy Beria.

The difference between American Abu Ghraib and Iraqi Abu Ghraib is that the American soldiers got punished for torture.

We are not, nor should we be, the final arbiters of the decisions of other countries. We have no say in the rule of a nation that is staying within its borders. Don't like being a citizen of what you consider a wimp nation? Find another. This one has been taken over by rational people again.

By that logic, it was A-OK for bill clinton to have stayed back and watched the Tutsis get hacked to death with Machetes in Rwanda, as well as Milosevic to persecute the Kosovars, the Darfur Genocide to continue. Ditto the Gassing of the Kurds, and Pol Pot's Year Zero.

Rational people? The same people who want Ba'athists to regain conrtol of Iraq, like Ramsey Clark? It is a hellholle yes, but It will not get better unless the Islamists are defeated.

Back on topic, there are times and places where outside intervention is necessary. But i agree, Iran is not one of them.
 
Given the BS that we were fed in the past about Iraq, I have no way of knowing that the horror stories about the degenerate Hussien sons were true.

George Galloway, is that you?

I do know that after the ibvasion, the rape rooms at the prisons re-opened under new management.

Please show evidence of this.
 
Chile worked well. If not, then why is it stabel today? On the other hand, Allende was a stalinist who was on good terms with Fidel Castro (who was also a stalinist).

Iraq was a bad call, yes, but what was the west to do? Let a Stalinist like Saddam Run the country with his Iron Fist? He Embezzled the oil for food money on his palaces. His Kleptocracy would have made Mobutu and Milosevic proud.

You have to understand that "Stalinist" for some people here, is not a bad word.
 
I will tolerate "communist" but don't call me a Stalinist. Stalin was more a Fascist at heart, but had to operate within a Communist framework. Not hard to do if you are just plain ammoral and sociopathic. Stalin had a lot in common with some of the power players in Iran. Look how well it worked out not to attack him directly.
 
How this pertains to Iran: it's time for "Operation AJAX II: The Second American Overthrow of Iranian Crazies."

When those lacking a full set of tools only have a hammer, they can make their situation worse by treating every problem as if it were a nail.
 
Well, it's some progress, I suppose. The US steering well clear ensures Assminerbijad's feeble attempts to link it to the US for domestic consumption are failing. Now he's resorted to "Neda's death is suspicious" as a trial balloon.

It is suspicious. Normaly health women in their 20s don't suddenly drop dead with bullets in their chests.
 
Chile worked well. If not, then why is it stabel today? On the other hand, Allende was a stalinist who was on good terms with Fidel Castro (who was also a stalinist).....
Are you counting the fact the US imposed sanctions on Chile after Allende was elected as part of your scorn for Allende?
How about the support we gave the truckers to strike?
Are you counting our support for the right wing paramilitary group which carried out attacks on Chile's infrastructure including damaging the trucking industry to encourage the strike?
The Central Intelligence Agency spent three million dollars in an effort to influence the outcome of the 1964 Chilean presidential elections. Eight million dollars was spent, covertly, in the three years between 1970 and the military coup in September 1973, with over three million dollars expended in fiscal year 1972 alone.(1)
Millions more came from corporate tills. (See the Church Report below.)



And sadly, for the people of Chile, our meddling led to Pinochet's murderous dictatorship. And he never gave the copper mines back to corporate America so he essentially burned the US after benefiting from our intervention.

Chile: Allende's Rise and Fall
The human toll of the coup d’etat by the junta was substantial. In March, 1975, the junta admitted that over 41,000 had been arrested since the coup and, of these, over 9,000 Chileans and foreigners left. Pinochet established a dictatorship that lasted until 1990, some 17 years. Dissidents were “disappeared” or murdered. Torture was an instrument of policy. Democracy was destroyed during those years but did return. The Pinochet legacy was so terrible that attempts to prosecute him were made in the 21st century.

For anyone interested:
Church Report
94th Congress 1st Session COMMITTEE PRINT
COVERT ACTION IN CHILE 1963-1973
Staff Report of the Select Committee To Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities
UNITED STATES SENATE
December 18, 1975
Printed for the use of the Select Committee To Study Governmental Operations With Respect to Intelligence Activities
U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE 63-372
Washington: 1975
 
When those lacking a full set of tools only have a hammer, they can make their situation worse by treating every problem as if it were a nail.

Ah, but when the problem IS a nail... it gets hammered. Armorpajamajihad: nail. Uncle Sam: hammer.
 
That we had peopole like you running the show in 1952 is why we have the problem now.

You're only about 3 decades off the mark, sport. That we had people like you in charge in 1979, serving in Jimma Cahtah's Romper Room administration, is why we have a problem now.
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You're only about 3 decades off the mark, sport. That we had people like you in charge in 1979, serving in Jimma Cahtah's Romper Room administration, is why we have a problem now. Put that in your bong and take a toke.

If we had taken the advice of Jimy Carter, and started more massive alternative energy programs, instead of buying the woo-woo that leaked out of Reagan's necrosing brain, we would not now give a rat's how much the Saudis want for a barrel of oil, two countries would not have been made into war zones, and maybe the WTC would still be standing.

Iran does not belong to us. It belongs to the Iranians. Stay out of it.
 

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