Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

[kitakaze]

Per your edit...

Yeah, I don't know how I can live with myself....


That response was pretty lame even for you, and it took you that long to copy it, write a response and return hours later?

This may come as a certain sort of shock to you but sunshine, a beautiful park, and tennis take priority over Bigfoot enthusiasts for me.

Also, what question am I ignoring? No one has asked me a question in about a week. You mean this statement below you have typed about 5 times already?

Yes, I do mean that question that was asked repeatedly and recently to you.

Kit asks a question to himself:

Once again I ask, given that repetition and replication of the unique circumstances involved is not necessary to rule out the possibility of sleep-related occurrence or distorted memory for your claim that 27 years ago in a deers tand up a tree along the Pasquotank River, NC in the early morning after being disoriented and feeling very groggy that you saw a 9 x 6 ft monster wood ape, why is it impossible that you did not see what you thought you saw?

Kit answers himself:

Vivid sleep-related hallucinations occur as do vivid but distorted memories. This is known, tested, and proven by science. What is not known, tested, and proven by science is that the largest land mammal in North America is a bipedal gargantuan ape that exists in places such as small swathes of woods like where the Pasquotank is completely surrounded by farmland and cities.

This is not a question Kit, This is a scoftic statement. Why should I respond to a statement? You answered your OWN question.

I think you're one of the very few people here for whom "scoftic" has any valid and functional meaning and application. For the rest of us it it basically equates saying "meany".

But please, if you can, explain to me in some coherent manner why my acknowledging that sleep-related hallucinations and distorted memories are proven by science while monster wood apes in small pockets of woodland in North Carolina are not is answering my own question.

Why should you answer it? Oh, I don't know. It's only just about the most central and relevant question concerning your Bigfoot claim. But hey, there is no rule that you actually have to employ logic on this forum. You're more than welcome to just keep feigning its use.

BTW There are more then a few different definitions for words Kit.
Main Entry:
1dis·re·gard Listen to the pronunciation of 1disregard
Pronunciation:
\ˌdis-ri-ˈgärd\
Function:
transitive verb

: to pay no attention to : treat as unworthy of regard or notice

Uuuuum... yeah, dude. IOW literally and exactly what "ignore" means.

*Miss Swan* Yeah, OK. You speak a English? *Miss Swan*

 

[kitakaze]

Folks, this thread is a gallimaufry* of strange and off-topic stuff. This thread has drifted like a Nerf ball in a hurricane. I don't have the energy or the enthusiasm to try to clean it up, but in order to keep it from either moderated status or the dreaded "Abandon All Hope", please try to stop bickering, stop personal attacks, stop off topic discussions (like who voted who should be banned) and attempt to find something that is vaguely relevant to the topic that you can discuss pleasantly. We'll allow some leeway as to topic, but not as to bickering.

Thanks, and enjoy your trip.


* - No I'm not telling you. Look it up.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Tricky

Almost totally me. Sorry. I have my OT all mixed up with my relevant stuff. I really should have an ABS thread, anyway.

Gallimaufry... hmmm. Is that more like a hodgepodge or a potpourri?

 

[kitakaze]

27 years in 1982 and first reported 11 years ago in 1998 at a time when by his own admission he was an alcoholic John claims to have seen a 10 x 6 ft monster wood ape in a small corridor of woods along the Pasquotank River in North Carolina not far from Elizabeth City. He says he had his alleged sighting after being disoriented and very groggy and yet refuses to consider that he experienced a sleep-related hallucination, dream, or distorted memory based on the completely invalid reasoning that the unique experience and circumstances have not repeated themselves. John is heavily involved in Bigfootery and refuses to let go of what is almost certainly a delusion or false memory or seriously consider the known and proven alternatives.

That's too bad but at least John is seeking professional help for sleep problems.

That was awesome! Can I use it as the introduction to my Biography?

Be my guest. It's more accurate, right?

He joined Sasquatch Watch of Virginia in September 2008. In his spare time he enjoys writing, rock music, soccer and of course cryptozoology.

http://americanbigfootsociety.com/

I think it's only fair to tell you that for rational thinking people you look for all the world like you clapped your mind shut to the possibility of anything other than having seen a Bigfoot. It's like you just refuse to have it any other way or really try and think rationally. Why is that? I would genuinely like to know why.

 

[makaya325]

Does THIS look familiar LT? I mean, you are talking about an extremely large object. probably the 4th or 5th largest land mammal on the planet

Ehh..wrong!

You have the Tiger, the african elephant, The rhino, The hippo, the Moose, The grizzly/kodiak/polar bears, Buffalo, Cows, Horses...shall i go on?

probably bigger than a grizzly bear,

Do you even know how large Grizzly's can get? They stand over 10ft tall and weigh more than 1000 pounds...on AVERAGE.

 

[makaya325]

Does THIS look familiar LT? I mean, you are talking about an extremely large object. probably bigger than a grizzly bear, probably the 4th or 5th largest land mammal on the planet.

Was the width proportional with the height? or could the M113 been parked next to a berm that it was walking on? The M113 Hull tops out at six feet, so if it was 'Chest Shoulders and Head' above it, it must have been 9-10 feet tall. and just huge. Did it look like this[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_197054a4a1f2cbbe95.jpg[/qimg]

I hope you realize that the M113 armored vehicle stands 2.5 meters tall with the rails. Long never said it easily cleared the Height, only that it approached it.

 

[makaya325]

That would be on the extreme low side- if I were to estimate, I would say in the mid 7's

I am assuming that if you can estimate its height, you can tell what kind of physique it featured, and perhaps an estimated weight?

 

[William Parcher]

Do you even know how large Grizzly's can get? They stand over 10ft tall and weigh more than 1000 pounds...on AVERAGE.

Why did you use the term 'on average' for those numbers?

 

[WGBH]

I think it's only fair to tell you that for rational thinking people you look for all the world like you clapped your mind shut to the possibility of anything other than having seen a Bigfoot. It's like you just refuse to have it any other way or really try and think rationally. Why is that? I would genuinely like to know why.

My mind is closed about my sighting. It happened, I'm sorry if my attitude bothers you. I am not doing it to antagonize you. It's not like I am trying to force my opinion on anyone right?

Hmm...the reason why? Because hiding it and not talking about it and ignoring it for years, did me no good.

 

[kitakaze]

My mind is closed about my sighting. It happened, I'm sorry if my attitude bothers you. I am not doing it to antagonize you. It's not like I am trying to force my opinion on anyone right?

Hmm...the reason why? Because hiding it and not talking about it and ignoring it for years, did me no good.

The part I bolded really says it all. We mixed it up pretty good today but don't think that means I've begun to dislike you. It's just I don't think your being totally rational and applying critical thought to your experience. You were disoriented, very groggy, and as Vort reminded me, nauseous right before your alleged sighting. It was 27 years ago and you didn't report it until 16 years later on the tail end of a bout of alcoholism.

I just want to know why it's impossible that you didn't actually see what you think you saw. After that I will approach the situation from the hypothetical stance that you saw what you think you saw.

From there my first question will be what medium to large-sized rare North American mammal, other than Bigfoot, would you like to see in the wild.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

Do you even know how large Grizzly's can get? They stand over 10ft tall and weigh more than 1000 pounds...on AVERAGE.

Grizzly bears are a subspecies of brown bears. On AVERAGE they top out about 2 feet shorter and 200 pounds lighter than what you indicated. At 10 feet tall on their hind legs and 1000 lbs. dry that specimen would be considered large for a griz.

Furthermore, there are variations of brown bears that differ geographically. With that said their AVERAGES vary as much as their habitata. Kodiak and coastal brownies are the largest in the brown bear family.

 

[ElectricVoodoo]

I am assuming that if you can estimate its height, you can tell what kind of physique it featured, and perhaps an estimated weight?

I can't and won't speak for Longtabber, but have you ever had experience with Gen 1 NV before? It would be difficult to see a definitive outline in contrast with a M113 (especially one painted OD) at any notable distance.

 

[WGBH]

The part I bolded really says it all. We mixed it up pretty good today but don't think that means I've begun to dislike you. It's just I don't think your being totally rational and applying critical thought to your experience. You were disoriented, very groggy, and as Vort reminded me, nauseous right before your alleged sighting. It was 27 years ago and you didn't report it until 16 years later on the tail end of a bout of alcoholism.

I just want to know why it's impossible that you didn't actually see what you think you saw. After that I will approach the situation from the hypothetical stance that you saw what you think you saw.

From there my first question will be what medium to large-sized rare North American mammal, other than Bigfoot, would you like to see in the wild.

Kit, nothing is impossible, just unlikely. I don't need a hypothetical, but feel free if you want. If we are going to do that, I would prefer that we talk about ideas on research. Such as IF this animal is real, what techniques the people here would use to search for it. Even if we need to start a new thread. I want new ideas.

Are you asking why I waited 16 years to report it? Because I had no idea who to report it to until the internet age.

I was lucky to see a Bald Eagle in flight in Yakima. I would like to see more.

 

[kitakaze]

Kit, nothing is impossible, just unlikely.

Sure thing. But you seeing a 10 x 6 ft Bigfoot in that little corridor of woods along the Pasquotank isn't any better than me claiming to see a Reptoid in the park while playing tennis today.

I don't need a hypothetical, but feel free if you want. If we are going to do that, I would prefer that we talk about ideas on research. Such as IF this animal is real, what techniques the people here would use to search for it. Even if we need to start a new thread. I want new ideas.

Are you asking why I waited 16 years to report it? Because I had no idea who to report it to until the internet age.

I am helping you. I don't think that all the Bigfoot enthusiasts across North America out there searching for Bigfoot don't find it because it's not there. That's exactly what the evidence shows.

John, I gave you the number for wildlife and environmental experts for the Great Dismal Swamp. How likely is it that you'll actually contact these people. This is a black and white zoological issue and those people need to know that the biggest primate on Earth eats mulberry leaves in their area. This is huge. Like, the biggest thing ever. Forget the yeehaws farting around in Salt Fork, these people have got to be told and I think your just the spokesperson to do it. What do you say? Will your fingers do the walking and your mouth do the talking?

I was lucky to see a Bald Eagle in flight in Yakima. I would like to see more.

Those things are like chickens where I am.

 

[WGBH]

Sure thing. But you seeing a 10 x 6 ft Bigfoot in that little corridor of woods along the Pasquotank isn't any better than me claiming to see a Reptoid in the park while playing tennis today.

The Bigfoot I saw keeps getting larger and larger.

I am helping you. I don't think that all the Bigfoot enthusiasts across North America out there searching for Bigfoot don't find it because it's not there. That's exactly what the evidence shows.

John, I gave you the number for wildlife and environmental experts for the Great Dismal Swamp. How likely is it that you'll actually contact these people. This is a black and white zoological issue and those people need to know that the biggest primate on Earth eats mulberry leaves in their area. This is huge. Like, the biggest thing ever. Forget the yeehaws farting around in Salt Fork, these people have got to be told and I think your just the spokesperson to do it. What do you say? Will your fingers do the walking and your mouth do the talking?

Kit thanks for the phone number, but who said I did not already have that phone number. I have called the Dismal park before to ask about park rules because my local group wanted to inquire about a possible outing. During the summer the swamp can be a dangerous place because of the abundance of bears, water moccasins and copper heads. They even close the park completely at night. I feel it is better to speak about such things to rangers in person.

During another investigation my group has spoken to the rangers about Bigfoot at another park here in Virginia called Prince William Forrest. The ranger even produced log books and let us thumb through them to read the Bigfoot reports they receive. Surprised that they log the reports Kit?

Please remember that even though I am the world's greatest Bigfoot hunter I still need to work to feed my family. My job has been extremely busy and I am working long hours at this time. What little spare time I have has been spent on a investigation in progress for my local "Bigfoot enthusiast group" or taking care of my own personal issues.


Those things are like chickens where I am.

Must be nice.

 

[mikeyx]

Thanks for the clarification. I think Chris handled himself very well when he was on Monster Quest. It's not easy to not look a little kooky when you're talking about Bigfoot in New York. Though ex-NESRA Steve Kulls was not able to do that, Chris Bartow was (3:30)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1gby_XRVZA

regarding Monsterquest: bear in mind they butchered the actual timeline of events, and whilest we were there to do what we do, they had the agenda of doing a historical overview of the Adirondak area rather than focus on us, also I would agree that Kulls hogged the camera.

as far as BF in New York there actually is a history of alledged activity in the area going back a few hundred years but thats a whole different can of worms.

 

[kitakaze]

The Bigfoot I saw keeps getting larger and larger.

No, it doesn't. In your very own words:

I can still see this thing clearly in my head. It is probably burned into my memory. I said 9 because I am very sure about what I saw. I would have said 10 but then the skeptic world would have chased me out of here with torches and pitch forks.

See, I'm paying attention here, John.

Kit thanks for the phone number, but who said I did not already have that phone number.

I gave you two. Do you remember what they were?

I have called the Dismal park before to ask about park rules because my local group wanted to inquire about a possible outing. During the summer the swamp can be a dangerous place because of the abundance of bears, water moccasins and copper heads. They even close the park completely at night. I feel it is better to speak about such things to rangers in person.

No, no. I mean the experts who study the Great Dismal Swamp's ecosystem need to know about the monster wood apes in the area. Did you tell these people you've seen a huge primate in their area? When you called the park did you talk about Bigfoot?

During another investigation my group has spoken to the rangers about Bigfoot at another park here in Virginia called Prince William Forrest. The ranger even produced log books and let us thumb through them to read the Bigfoot reports they receive. Surprised that they log the reports Kit?

Why would I be surprised? If people say they see Bigfoots in their park, they should obviously log it. How many reports did they log?

Please remember that even though I am the world's greatest Bigfoot hunter I still need to work to feed my family. My job has been extremely busy and I am working long hours at this time. What little spare time I have has been spent on a investigation in progress for my local "Bigfoot enthusiast group" or taking care of my own personal issues.

Yeaaah, I'll stop calling Bigfoot enthusiasts by that term when they stop using it themselves and when it's not valid and correct.

You really need to talk to some experts, not just rangers at parks, but people who study the ecosystem and wildlife of the area where you claim a sighting. They need to know about this. Who do you think you should talk to first?

 

[Drewbot]

DUDE! If I went into a suburban wooded park, and saw a 9' tall, x 6' wide creature, of ANY FORM whatsoever, and I REALLY REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS REAL, I would be calling newspapers, standing out front warning families, ANYTHING I could to keep people from letting their children be placed in jeopardy because of the Beast. Especially if it was a freaking Gorilla-Man-Beast. Could you imagine the guilt if one of those children got eaten by the beast, and you had done NOTHING to warn those families??? Oh Snap, I'd be so sad.

 

[Drewbot]

DUDE! If I went into a suburban wooded park, and saw a 9' tall, x 6' wide creature, of ANY FORM whatsoever, and I REALLY REALLY THOUGHT IT WAS REAL, I would be calling newspapers, standing out front warning families, ANYTHING I could to keep people from letting their children be placed in jeopardy because of the Beast. Especially if it was a freaking Gorilla-Man-Beast. Could you imagine the guilt if one of those children got eaten by the beast, and you had done NOTHING to warn those families??? Oh Snap, I'd be so sad.

JOHN- This is why I think you KNOW you didn't see a bigfoot, because listening to your nature over the last couple years, I know you'd be out there trying to keep little kids from being eaten, and I haven't seen one thing where you said you were manning the post out front of the park handing out DANGER _ GIANT GORILLA pamphlets to the families going into the park in their Taurus Wagons.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

JOHN- This is why I think you KNOW you didn't see a bigfoot, because listening to your nature over the last couple years, I know you'd be out there trying to keep little kids from being eaten, and I haven't seen one thing where you said you were manning the post out front of the park handing out DANGER _ GIANT GORILLA pamphlets to the families going into the park in their Taurus Wagons.

hmmmm

 

[WGBH]

No, it doesn't. In your very own words:



See, I'm paying attention here, John.

Kit, uhmm that was a joke.

I gave you two. Do you remember what they were?

They are on the post here.


No, no. I mean the experts who study the Great Dismal Swamp's ecosystem need to know about the monster wood apes in the area. Did you tell these people you've seen a huge primate in their area? When you called the park did you talk about Bigfoot?

I know what you meant. No I did not say that and as I said, it is something I prefer to do in person. Why do you call them monsters? They are just animals.

Why would I be surprised? If people say they see Bigfoots in their park, they should obviously log it. How many reports did they log?

I will ask the people who were there for more information about the log books. I was not there. The group went there to inquire about a permit to hang game cameras in the park.

Yeaaah, I'll stop calling Bigfoot enthusiasts by that term when they stop using it themselves and when it's not valid and correct.

I don't care what silly name you use.

You really need to talk to some experts, not just rangers at parks, but people who study the ecosystem and wildlife of the area where you claim a sighting. They need to know about this. Who do you think you should talk to first?

I agree with you. I will try.