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Scientology Exposé from the St Petersburg Times

I've known "church members", and, while they are indoctrinated, most seem not without a little common sense. If the whole church goes down, I think it'll go with a whimper, not a bang. Former members will be pissed off, but having little or no recourse, they'll get on with their lives. At least, I hope.
Hey, Loren G., I'm talking to you, buddy, come in off the ledge.
 
Just saw this on Andrew Sullivan. Looking forward to reading this.
 
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Part 2 is swell, but like my complaint about part 1, it seems to criticize not the foundations of Scientology, but the management or implementation of it:

As part one mentioned, the majority of the speaking out are still Scientology believers. The article is about management, not the beliefs. If you want a critique of the beliefs then you should look elsewhere per the article's purpose.

In regards to part two, I found the following interesting:

Death in slow motion: Part 2 of 3 in a special report on the Church of Scientology
By Thomas C. Tobin and Joe Childs, Times Staff Writers
In Print: Monday, June 22, 2009
St. Petersburg Times

The night after Lisa McPherson died, the leader of the Church of Scientology sent word for one of his top lieutenants to wait by a pay phone at the Holiday Inn Surfside on Clearwater Beach.

When Marty Rathbun answered the ringing phone in the lobby, David Miscavige let him have it:

Why aren’t you all over this mess? The police are poking around. Do something.

“Yes sir,” Rathbun said.
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Rathbun and others say Miscavige was in Clearwater in 1995 to launch “The Golden Age of Tech,” an initiative aimed at raising the quality and precision of auditing at Scientology’s mecca.

Rathbun said he was assigned to help. Miscavige would look in on parishioner auditing sessions from a control room with video feeds from multiple counseling rooms.

One of the parishioners was Lisa McPherson.
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He said he saw Miscavige view McPherson’s auditing sessions through a video feed and write notations in her counseling folder.

“I watched him personally,” De Vocht said. “A whole bunch of people watched him personally.”

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Three entries particularly troubled Rathbun.

One contained a bizarre sexual reference McPherson had made. Another revealed that no one thought to remove the mirror from the room of a psychotic woman bent on harming herself. The third was one caretaker’s opinion that the situation was out of control and that McPherson needed to see a doctor.

Rathbun concluded the notes had to go.

“I said, ‘Lose ’em’ and walked out of the room,” he recalled, adding that the decision to destroy the records was his own.

“Nobody told me to do it and I did it,” he said. “The truth is the truth and right now I’m going to confession, and I really think it’s something that hurt the church more than it hurt the people that were trying to get recompense.

“But it is what it is, and I know it could potentially be a crime.”

In a recent interview, State Attorney Bernie McCabe said it was clear the records were missing because the church handed over entries for every day of McPherson’s stay except the final two before she died. That the church appeared to be hiding something only fed McCabe’s sense that something was amiss.

Prosecuting Rathbun is not an option, because the time to bring destruction of evidence charges expires after three years, McCabe said. “We’re done.’’
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Scientology spent millions of dollars, and church lawyers filed thousands of pages of medical studies and consultant reports that said McPherson’s care at the Fort Harrison could not have caused her death.
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Among the details that emerged: In McPherson’s last five years, she had spent at least $176,700 on Scientology services and had $5,773 in the account she kept at the church. She died with $11 in her savings account.
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Full article: St. Petersburg Times


I wonder if the federal government will have a second look at the case now.
 
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1) What precisely does "control over MEST mean?" (OTs are said to have this; MEST being an acronym for matter/energy/space/time). Do OTs have super powers--yes or no? If yes, what exactly can they do?

2) In Dianetics, Hubbard claimed Dianetics was scientific, and could cure various ailments. True, or was he wrong? If it's scientific, where is the research and independent replication, etc (ie, the evidence)?

3) The vitamin treatment strangely didn't cure Jeremy Perkins of his schizophrenia, and tragically he murdered his mother, who was a longtime Scientologist. Since the church is very much against all forms of psychiatry, how should someone like Jeremy be treated? What is the effective treatment that doesn't involve pharmaceuticals or other psychicatric treatment?

1. Big question. This subject is covered in our materials at length. I have no desire to rewrite those materials here. One would start with an understanding that Scientology is about bringing an individual up to an understanding and recognition of his true nature as a spiritual being. Atheists and materialists need not apply:)

2. Most of his discoveries were release in lecture form. (Some in books but those were only linchpin discoveries. The lectures will eventually all be transcribed and released in written form as well. Currently the first 16 volumes of what will be a 100 volume set of these lectures is available.

Anyone is free to study up on these materials and do their own "independent" verification.

3. I know of no "vitamin" cure for schizophrenia in the works of Scientology. For that matter Scientology is not addressed to curing anything. See point #1 above.

A couple of recent videos that describe the fundamentals of Scientology (imho)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvku53FL3T8&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=A4334F9B5F37833A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgsFh87RCU0&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=A4334F9B5F37833A&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1RaKWS6jb4&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=A4334F9B5F37833A&index=2

This really lays out, briefly, the subject of Scientology.
 
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Serious question here;

If this is the match that lights the fuse of the destruction of Scientology, will it go down piece by piece in prosecutions or has it the potential of ending like Jonestown?

It will go down but they're too incompetent and not apocalyptic enough for something Jonestown. Once an authoritarian organization is no longer feared and becomes the object of ridicule (Tom Cruise, South Park, Anonymous, etc.), it's all over. CoS is a rigid, highly centralized organization that simply cannot win a grinding P.R. war in the internet age.

I get the sense from the insider accounts on Xenu.net that the CoS is more or less insolvent (their accounting trickery and cooked books notwithstanding) and they're struggling to hold on to recruits. I mean, they couldn't even muster enough Scientologists to fill the Shrine Auditorium at their jubilee. Remember the Photoshop fiasco on Lermanet?
 
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Interesting articles. But after reading them I find I have no sympathy at all for the defectors. They were willing and active participants in the Co$ scam. Their admitted lies, fraud, incompetence, and abuse make them poor character witnesses. Getting tossed out of the cult they helped to build up is no less than they deserve. They have a long way to go if they truly wish to make amends.
 
1. Big question. This subject is covered in our materials at length. I have no desire to rewrite those materials here. One would start with an understanding that Scientology is about bringing an individual up to an understanding and recognition of his true nature as a spiritual being. Atheists and materialists need not apply:)

2. Most of his discoveries were release in lecture form. (Some in books but those were only linchpin discoveries. The lectures will eventually all be transcribed and released in written form as well. Currently the first 16 volumes of what will be a 100 volume set of these lectures is available.

Anyone is free to study up on these materials and do their own "independent" verification.

3. I know of no "vitamin" cure for schizophrenia in the works of Scientology. For that matter Scientology is not addressed to curing anything. See point #1 above.

A couple of recent videos that describe the fundamentals of Scientology (imho)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvku53FL3T8&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=A4334F9B5F37833A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgsFh87RCU0&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=A4334F9B5F37833A&index=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1RaKWS6jb4&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=A4334F9B5F37833A&index=2

This really lays out, briefly, the subject of Scientology.

Hi Fred, I appreciate your response. I have many LRH and Scientology books, and I've never seen a specific explanation of what "control over MEST means." There's no reason for you to "rewrite those materials," but if you know of any specifics regarding OT powers I'd love to hear them. Do you know if OTs have any super powers or other abilities that non-OTs don't have?

Regarding point two--I was wondering if there was any scientific evidence of engrams and other Hubbard discoveries; I guess not.

Regarding point 3: I thought that Jeremy Perkins was on a vitamin regimen for his mental illness.
 
Do you know if OTs have any super powers or other abilities that non-OTs don't have?

Nope. Meaning I don't know. That's not the goal of Scientology in any case. I don't have my copy of "Fundamentals of Thought" in front of me but it lays out the goal of Scientology within there. That is considered the beginning text on Scientology.

I thought that Jeremy Perkins was on a vitamin regimen for his mental illness.

Never heard of such a thing. But then again I have no personal knowledge of Jeremy or his circumstances.
 
Serious question here;

If this is the match that lights the fuse of the destruction of Scientology, will it go down piece by piece in prosecutions or has it the potential of ending like Jonestown?

I highly doubt that this is the match lights the fuse. Hubbard started getting into trouble way back in the 50s, shortly after Dianetics was published, and the church grew from there. There have been much bigger bombshells than the recent St. Pete's articles, such as Time's 1991 cover story: Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Power and Greed, and the Xenu story leak, but those didn't stop them. I do think the Internet is a problem for them--it's way too vast and free to be controlled, but I don't see the church shutting down in the near future.
 
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Nope. Meaning I don't know. That's not the goal of Scientology in any case. I don't have my copy of "Fundamentals of Thought" in front of me but it lays out the goal of Scientology within there. That is considered the beginning text on Scientology.


In my view, when an entity (drug company, church, whatever) charges money for a product or service, consumers have a right to know if their claims are true, and to understand what exactly the claims are. I'm very curious to know what "control over MEST (matter/energy/space/time)" means exactly, because it seems to imply super powers or something like that. Also, Hubbard says that Dianetics can cure various illnesses, which if true, is a great selling point, and if not true, is fraudulent. eta: Just found this from the scientology.org site: "An Operating Thetan (OT) is able to control matter, energy, space and time rather than being controlled by these things." I'd love to hear a specific example of that.

Never heard of such a thing. But then again I have no personal knowledge of Jeremy or his circumstances.
Here's some more information about Jeremy Perkins, the young man who tragically murdered his mother, Elli Perkins, who was a senior auditor. From CBS News:
In the fall of 2002, the Perkinses drove their 27-year-old son to Dr. Conrad Maulfair, a Scientologist and osteopath in Pennsylvania who promotes natural, drug-free healing methods.

They had to physically forcibly drag him in there. He didn't appreciate the treatment,” says Case.

Nuchereno says Maulfair’s clinic had an unusual explanation for Jeremy’s symptoms. "They conclude that he was suffering from certain digestive problems, that he had certain chemical toxins in his body. And he needed to be purged of it. And he needed to be energized through vitamin therapy,” he explains.

Asked if vitamin therapy for this profound mental illness is a treatment, Dr. Joseph says, "No, it's nonsense.”

Dr. Maulfair declined to be interviewed for this report. Don Perkins’ lawyer wrote CBS News explaining that Don and Elli “were concerned about the documented dangers of pharmaceutical substances.” The church also provided research highlighting violent side effects of various psychotropic medications. But medical experts, including Dr. Joseph, say those side-effects are rare, and that scientific literature actually shows a decrease in violent behavior when schizophrenics take anti-psychotic drugs.

Still, Elli was desperate for a natural cure. She began feeding Jeremy more than a dozen vitamins and other supplements every day.

Asked whether she believes vitamins can treat or cure mental illness, Eastgate says, "You know, vitamins and minerals and so forth are one aspect of getting the body healthy, so that you're, you know, healthy body, healthy mind. But that's one option amongst many, many different things."

The vitamins did not improve Jeremy’s condition. In fact, their only noticeable effect was to make Jeremy suspicious of his mother.
 
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Wow. This is probably as close as we'll ever get to the "church" getting either reformed, or destroyed. Mike Rinder finally speaking up is a massive deal.
 
...The goal of Scientology is making the individual capable of living a better life in his own estimation and with his fellows...

Here is an excerpt from "Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought" that I was referring to earlier.
 

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