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Airplanes can bury themselves completely in the ground.

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Flight 93’s flight data recorder, found at the crash site in Shanksville.Flight 93’s flight data recorder, found at the crash site in Shanksville. [Source: US District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, Alexandria Division]Around 4:50 p.m. on September 13, investigators discover the flight data recorder from Flight 93, one of the plane’s two “black boxes.” It is buried about 15 feet down in the main crater at the crash site, near Shanksville, Pennsylvania. Around 8:25 p.m. the following evening, the other ‘black box’—the plane’s cockpit voice recorder—is found about 25 feet below ground in roughly the same spot. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/13/2001; Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/15/2001; Longman, 2002, pp. 217] The flight data recorder monitors airplane functions like its speed and altitude, while the cockpit voice recorder picks up conversations in the plane’s cockpit. [Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 9/14/2001] Both are mounted in a plane’s tail. They are encased in very strong materials, like titanium, and insulated so as to withstand a crash impact. [BBC, 9/15/2001] Wells Morrison, the FBI’s second in command at the Flight 93 crash scene, later comments, “It was strange. The black boxes are right next to each other on the aircraft, but one was found thirteen feet deeper into the crater than the other.… We were surprised, quite honestly, that we didn’t find them sooner.” [Kashurba, 2002, pp. 109 and 115] The cockpit voice recorder is sent to the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) in Washington, and then on to its manufacturer, Honeywell, to try to extract information from it. [CBS News,
 
There MUST be some proof that the evil gubmint had something to do with 9/11 out there somewhere musn't there? Bill?
 
The top two pictures give you the flight path (as seen on radar, eyewitnesses and FDR etc), the last shows the excavation afterwards.






The strip mine is composed of very soft black soil, and searchers said much of the wreckage was found buried 20 to 25 feet below the large crater. " -Standard-Times (09/11/02)
 
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in that video look how the ground is buckled on the one side as the shot pans
you can almost see the impact angle
 
RedIbis said:
No, it's just damn convenient that there are people such as yourself who will assume such photos exist.
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As others have said here, the amount/degree of proof required to convince people such as yourself is beyond reasonable. To be shown the actual body parts, in person. To be taken to a hanger to examine the plane parts in person. To be taken into the Pentagon to examine the singed bodies strapped into plane seats, in person...

Most of us assume, that in an organized, professional investigation (unless you are going to call the hundreds of FBI and other agency professionals who worked there otherwise), many many photos would have been taken THAT WOULD NOT BE RELEASED to the general public.

It is your opinion that that is a faulty assumption? So for every airplane crash, if it isn't available on the internet, then the photo wasn't taken or doesn't exist???

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
you would have preferred a "back of the napkin" presentation on their findings? figures.

TAM:)
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Pffff... it's NIST, and that's these folks whole problem. NIST could publish a paper saying "The sky is blue", "water is wet", and "the Pope is Catholic", and conspiracy addicts would start yelling "GOVERNMENT SHILLS!!!11!!"

They wouldn't even think to evaluate any evidence given.
 
bill smith said:
The wings must have made huge marks on the rim of the hole Sarge ? Isn't that so ? After all the wings were 125' wide and the hole was only 20' or so wide at the widest point. The plane was doing more than 500mph when it augered into the ground and there is no claim that the wings came off prior to impact. So if I look for some pictures I will see the wing-marks Right ?
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Well Bill? Wing marks. Fuselage marks. Links to the evidence. Aerial footage at various stages of site investigation and excavation.

All within a few posts Bill.

Perhaps a visit to the site or a few phone calls to the various departments involved can reasure you further? Perhaps no evidence is enough for you because you just like to troll - right!
 
Jackanory said:
Well Bill? Wing marks. Fuselage marks. Links to the evidence. Aerial footage at various stages of site investigation and excavation.

All within a few posts Bill.

Perhaps a visit to the site or a few phone calls to the various departments involved can reasure you further? Perhaps no evidence is enough for you because you just like to troll - right!
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Bill seems to be grasping soooo hard for proof so that he doesnt have to loosen his delusional belief that the US government murdered over 3k human beings.
 
By an odd coincidence I recently read a book called Air Accident Investigation by David Owen. This is not a text or technical book but a general-audience one and it consists largely of histories of airplane crashes and how investigators worked out the causes of each. In the first chapter Owen gives some examples of how investigators draw inferences from wreckage, damage to objects on the ground and so on- tidbits like how an accident investigator can determine if an indicator or warning light in the cockpit was on or off when the plane impacted. One passage that seemed relevant to the crash of flight 93:

Reconstructing the aircraft's last moments of flight means deciding on the speed and angle of its impact with the ground. Even where it dives steeply into the ground at high speed, in what is sometimes called a "smoking hole impact", investigators can still draw some conclusions from the wreckage. Usually this is a tangled mass of metal in a deep crater, with the dirt that originally filled the crater piled up in a rim around it. If the aircraft crashed vertically into the ground, which happens very rarely, the rim of dirt would be the same all the way around the crater. Where that isn't the case, the highest area appears on the side of he crater to show the direction the plane was heading, and often the bulk of the wreckage appears on this side too.
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The bolding is mine, to pick out items relevant to the Shanksville crash site. Please to note that Owen speaks of a "smoking hole impact" in a way that indicates that this is a phenomenon familiar to accident investigators, as are the clues provided by the smoking hole itself.
 
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