From Professor Suitbert Ertel:
Wowbagger: If you want mainstream science to accept this work, your best bet is to ask this: What could be a possible mechanism for these results? ….
Without a testable hypothesis, it does not matter how striking you think the results are, nor how statistically significant you measure them to be. You will always be seen as merely playing with fluctuations in the noise.
Ertel’s reply: Confirming one's observations by repeated measurements is one thing, explaining them is another matter. If mainstream scientists only acknowledged observations that already have pertinent explanations, by providing plausible mechanisms etc., then science would stagnate. Scientists who treat results without mechanisms as "merely playing with fluctuations in the noise" should not be regarded as having fertile attitudes.
Wowbagger: Remember, I am not describing my own attitude, here. I am describing the general attitude of the scientific community. The scientific community has a penchant for reliable results.
Ertel’s reply: Scientists testing parapsychological issues share this penchant. They dislike unreliable results. A certain proportion of scientific observations are unreliable, even though they are real. The only straightforward question is: Why may observations be unreliable? Why are weather predictions unreliable? Why are predictions of comet crashes on earth unreliable? Why are predictions of creative discoveries in science unreliable? Why are evolutionary changes unpredictable? All this unpredictable stuff occurs. Occurrences may be factual even though they have not been predicted and even though they are not predictable in principle despite maximum effort of the entire scientific community.
Wowbagger: If you could apply psi to the situation, someone could use "only their brain" (or wherever the source of psi's power comes from), to get most of the flips to come up heads, even after a tremendous number of trials.
Ertel’s reply: If you know x conditions giving rise to a phenomenon P which requires x+y conditions to become fully explained, you will not be able to make accurate predictions of P if you are only aware of those x conditions and unaware of those y conditions. If your brain is involved (x condition), among others, when P occurs, you cannot force P to occur by mere brain activity.
Wowbagger: Do you really think funding is an issue?
Ertel’s reply: Yes it is. The number of psi-gifted people in an unselected adult population showing statistically significant psi effects (in my standard ball test) is roughly 15%. Among these, only 10% are extremely psi-gifted (in my standard test), which means that only 1.5% of an unselected adult population shows robust repeatable psi effects. Repeatable means here that when you use the participant again and again for, say, 20 sessions, you will obtain significant deviations from chance in 18 or 19 or even in all 20 sessions. I might provide examples.
Now, you have to pay, say 100 people, for their psi test participation, $20 each, $2000 in total, in order to find, on average, one participant capable of repeating extremely significant results without much cross-situational fluctuation.
Wowbagger: If a benefactor gave you all the funding you needed, what would you do with it? What can you not accomplish with the resources you have now?
Ertel’s reply: I would test an unselected sample of 3000 people. The additional costs for experimenters and data analyzers might raise the required amount to $12,000. Only then would I continue my testing, if possible under skeptical supervision (even under JREF supervision), with 4-5 psi-gifted participants.
Ivor the Engineer: ...and most of the tests were done at home with practically no controls against cheating or bias...
Ertel’s reply: Only two of those 39 runs with form generating instructions were done at home, without experimenter control.
Ivor the Engineer: Are the bags used for the experiments pictured anywhere?
Ertel’s reply: On the following youtube video that I made roughly a decade ago an Indian psi-gifted boy has been tested by using the standard ball-drawing procedure.
http://video.google.de/videosearch?...anormal&hl=de&emb=0&client=firefox-a&start=30
I tested this boy again three years ago – now a young man, an expert in informatics –
and he still obtained a statistically significant surplus of hits.
Hans Mustermann: Ok, maybe I'm not getting something obvious, but this claim I really don't understand. ….So what was that hypothesis there? 15 of 39 looked like they weren't created by chance... compared to what? What was the formula you were fitting them against? Oh, it's aesthetic value?
Well, then that makes it even weirder. Because then a whole matrix becomes a single data point. That's really what you're measuring: the aesthetic value of the whole resulting pattern. It's not a whole data set, it's not a graph, it's just one data point: how aesthetic the whole picture was. Just like, say, the Monal Lisa is one single data point, not a whole data set.
Ertel’s reply: Hans does not seem to understand the procedure, I am afraid he needs an extra course in statistics. The chi squared procedure and its background must be comprehended, otherwise I would need much additional time and space to make myself understood.
Hans Mustermann: But, to give credit where credit is due, all the above is just a variation of Feynmann's famous quote: "You know, the most amazing thing happened to me tonight. I was coming here, on the way to the lecture, and I came in through the parking lot. And you won't believe what happened. I saw a car with the license plate ARW 357. Can you imagine? Of all the millions of license plates in the state, what was the chance that I would see that particular one tonight? Amazing!"
Ertels reply: This quote is beside the point, since deviations from chance in the ball test means deviations from precise predictions of mean chance expectation. Given 5 alternatives of equal probability, as in this experiment, the null hypothesis prediction is 20% hits (plus or minus a certain estimated chance error, the size of which will depend on the number of trials).
Hans Mustermann: Was there any analysis done on the _whole_ data set, as opposed to cherry-picking individual data points? E.g., were those 15 out of 39 pretty matrices picked by people with psi abilities, while unskilled normal people generate only, say, 5 pretty pictures out of 39?
Ertel’s reply: Due to lack of funding, I did not test psi-ungifted participants. I did test myself and I am not psi-gifted in the standard procedure. My eight form-generating runs with 480 trials each had the following results:
1 p = .03
2 p = .008
3 not significant
4 p = .o2
5 not significant
6 not significant
7 not significant
8 not significant
To explain, e.g., p = .008 , this means: 8 of 1000 random runs will produce the empirically observed hit rate above chance expectation.
Thus, my overall result may be considered as merely marginally significant. I would not dare conclusions about form-generating psi effects in my own case. But I myself am a poor psi effect producer. Individual differences are large and reliable.