Moderated Legitimate 9/11 Questions

Mr. Skinny said:
I understand that line of reasoning.

I still find it curious that NO soil contamination was found. Unless, of course, you believe that the fireball perfectly consumed every last bit of fuel.
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Who put the fire out? I don't know why the 911TruthLies gang would suspect soil contamination since jet fuel burns away in minutes.

I bet they collected the soil around the impact zone and put it in a dumb for hazardous waste. Then they test for contamination and they were successful; but that is how I would run it if asked. What would 911TruthLies do.

How was sledding season on the hill; any snow covered ice days this past year?
 
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I've sent an email to the DEP explaining the situation and asking if they can contribute something more specific. I'll let you know if I get a reply.
 
The soil analysis was done POST cleanup. They did a pretty good job then
 
Redibis,
I never got an answer on where you think the plane is if not in aforementioned hole in the ground.
 
So of all the things to look for after a crash: human body parts, aircraft wreckage, impact hole, radar data, cvr data, flight recorder data, eyewitness accounts, first responder accounts.....RedIbis bases his opinion of whether a plane actually crashed based on soil analysis. :rolleyes:

That's why you are a garden variety conspiracy theorist, Red.
 
beachnut said:
How was sledding season on the hill; any snow covered ice days this past year?
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I'm too old for sledding, but the base was closed for two days this winter due to snow and we had plenty of other snowfalls, so I imagine there was some good sledding.
 
Christ on a popcicle, the tests were done after the cleanup. RedIbis, did you even bother to even look at the very first link in the very first post in response to your legitimate question? Too bad you didn't, because the answer was given to you. Here it is again:

The state Department of Environmental Protection has approved the final cleanup report for the United Airlines Flight 93 crash site near Shanksville in Somerset County.

"United Airlines did a thorough job in its investigation of the environmental effects from the September 2001 plane crash," said Charles A. Duritsa, the DEP southwest regional director.
"Site samples indicate that the site meets Pennsylvania's Act 2 statewide health standards for soil and groundwater for the fuel known as jet "A" fuel. We consider cleanup work at the site completed." Betsy Mallison, a DEP spokeswoman,
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Link. :solved2

911TruthTM. Asking questions and ignoring answers since 2002.
 
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MikeW said:
I've sent an email to the DEP explaining the situation and asking if they can contribute something more specific. I'll let you know if I get a reply.
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Wait...are you allowed to do that? Are you allowed to seek answers, not just ask questions on a CT Internet forum?

Okay, I think I understand, you actually are seeking the truth and not just trolling and masturbating your ego.

I'd suggest the CT trolls learn from you but that would be sheer folly.
 
apathoid said:
Christ on a popcicle, the tests were done after the cleanup. RedIbis, did you even bother to even look at the very first link in the very first post in response to your legitimate question? Too bad you didn't, because the answer was given to you. Here it is again:




Link. :solved2

911TruthTM. Asking questions and ignoring answers since 2002.
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The mystery is indeed solved. They did say the clean up was complete and the area is safe.
 
RedIbis said:
The mystery is indeed solved. They did say the clean up was complete and the area is safe.
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That's nice to hear, but something tells me you are still not entirely satisfied with the crash scene. But a little progress is better than none at all. ;)
 
ElMondoHummus said:
I thought Mary Schiavo had brought this exact issue up during the Regan administration. I'll try and find some past mention of her and this topic, but I could have sworn that she was campaigning for secure cockpit doors during the 80s when all those flights were in the news for being hijacked by Palestinians and sympathizers to their side of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
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I haven't found any pre-9/11 references made by Schiavo, but she did mention it in her statement to the 9/11 commission:

Airline doors were flimsy and could be opened with the same key and before 9/11pilots warned this was dangerous. They should listen to them. This was not reasonable, whenin the months preceding September 11, 2001, there were 16 cases of people breaking into thecockpit,most in the U.S., and U.S. aviation had suffered several terrorist attacks on jets by breakinginto the cockpit and killing or injuring the pilots. Before 9/11 pilot associations and unions beggedfor better doors and to have the cockpit door keys taken away from flight attendants. Source
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ElMondoHummus said:
Also, again, I thought I recalled Schiavo excoriating the mindset of the industry and government At the time towards securing the cockpit. On the other hand, presuming I recall this correctly, I don't want to push a meme that she was right and everybody else was wrong; it'd be too easy but intellectually lazy for me to say that resistance to safety improvements was due to greed on the industry's part. There might - must, even - have been some legitimacy to whatever objections they raised.
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Even if the doors were hardened or secure, once the hijackers boarded the flight and the aircraft had departed, they would've been able to enter the cockpit because there were cockpit door keys available to them. The availability of keys was actually a regulation made by the FAA after the NTSB recommended that cabin crews be able to have access to the flight crews in case of an emergency:

...The flight attendants did not follow the airline's procedure that required the use of the interphone emergency signal to inform the cockpit of the fire. One of the flight attendants in the forward section of the cabin saw flames around the flight attendant in the aft jumpseat and tried to notify the flight crew of the fire by opening the cockpit door. As required by FAA regulations, the cockpit door was locked. While one of the forward flight attendants reached for the cockpit door key, which was stored in accordance with the carrier's procedures, the other flight attendant successfully opened the cockpit door with her own key...
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Link
 
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"The EPA said there was no soil or groundwater contamination, and yet an extensive clean-up operation was conducted at the Shanksville, PA crash site! Why? What evidence were they so desperate to remove? Learn (our wild-ass guesses about) the answer to that question in our new DVD, 'ShanksEVILle: Grounds for Suspicion.' Reserve your 20-pack today, just in case we ever get around to making it!"

Respectfully,
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apathoid said:
Christ on a popcicle, the tests were done after the cleanup. RedIbis, did you even bother to even look at the very first link in the very first post in response to your legitimate question? Too bad you didn't, because the answer was given to you. Here it is again:




Link. :solved2

911TruthTM. Asking questions and ignoring answers since 2002.
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it wasnt done after cleanup, it was done 6 days after the event:
sept 17,2001
"Also yesterday, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection said it would begin taking soil and well water samples today to determine whether contamination occurred from Flight 93's aviation fuel, hydraulic fluids and other hazardous materials following the crash.

then from oct 2nd 2001
"Betsy Mallison, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection, said that investigators still don't know how much jet fuel was spilled at the crash site. But whether it burned away or evaporated, much of it seems to have dissipated, Mallison said."
http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100064120011002-151006.html

thats about 2 weeks after the event. notice it doesnt say that the jet fuel was cleaned up?

and then ocit 3rd-
"By today, Environmental Resources Management Inc. of Pine, a contractor hired by United, expects to return 5,000 to 6,000 cubic yards of soil to the 50-foot hole dug around the crater left by the crash.

The soil is being tested for jet fuel, and at least three test wells have been sunk to monitor groundwater, since three nearby homes are served by wells, Betsy Mallison, a state Department of Environmental Protection spokeswoman, said.

So far, no contamination has been discovered, she said."
http://www.postgazette.com/headlines/20011003crash1003p3.asp

thats probably where your article picks up since they didnt find any then the site is "clean".


so out of 37,500 pounds of jet fuel, none was found even in the soil right next to the crater. jet fuel ran down elevator shafts and weakened steel at the wtc but at the crater, no jet fuel was found and if there ever was some there, 37,500 pounds of it couldnt even burn dead grass a few inches away from the crater!! things that make ya go hummmmm....



 
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Senenmut said:
it wasnt done after cleanup, it was done 6 days after the event:
sept 17,2001
"Also yesterday, the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection said it would begin taking soil and well water samples today to determine whether contamination occurred from Flight 93's aviation fuel, hydraulic fluids and other hazardous materials following the crash.

then from oct 2nd 2001
"Betsy Mallison, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection, said that investigators still don't know how much jet fuel was spilled at the crash site. But whether it burned away or evaporated, much of it seems to have dissipated, Mallison said."
http://html.thepittsburghchannel.com/pit/news/stories/news-100064120011002-151006.html

thats about 2 weeks after the event. notice it doesnt say that the jet fuel was cleaned up?

and then ocit 3rd-
"By today, Environmental Resources Management Inc. of Pine, a contractor hired by United, expects to return 5,000 to 6,000 cubic yards of soil to the 50-foot hole dug around the crater left by the crash.

The soil is being tested for jet fuel, and at least three test wells have been sunk to monitor groundwater, since three nearby homes are served by wells, Betsy Mallison, a state Department of Environmental Protection spokeswoman, said.

So far, no contamination has been discovered, she said."
http://www.postgazette.com/headlines/20011003crash1003p3.asp

thats probably where your article picks up since they didnt find any then the site is "clean".
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Right, cherry-picked statements which don't make it clear that a clean up was done must mean that no clean up was done prior to the testing. Give me a break. Reread what I posted.


so out of 37,500 pounds of jet fuel, none was found even in the soil right next to the crater. jet fuel ran down elevator shafts and weakened steel at the wtc but at the crater, no jet fuel was found and if there ever was some there, 37,500 pounds of it couldnt even burn dead grass a few inches away from the crater!! things that make ya go hummmmm....
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You are desperetely in need of a clue, so here's one which nicely illustrates what happened to the fuel.

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Gee that crater looks similar to the crater left from Allegheny 853:
 
RedIbis said:
I know this won't go over too well, but if I could ask you the most direct question and ask you for your most sincere answer.

Do you find it strange that the EPA found no soil contamination at the Flight 93 crash site?
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Let me ask this,

Did anyone at the EPA (you know, the experts in this type of thing) find it strange? If they did, what did they say about it, and if not, then why should I...I am not an expert in that field.

TAM:)
 
So all this crap Red has been getting on with, it turns out, is about there being no contamination AFTER CLEAN UP?

Oh that is rich.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M. said:
Let me ask this,

Did anyone at the EPA (you know, the experts in this type of thing) find it strange? If they did, what did they say about it, and if not, then why should I...I am not an expert in that field.

TAM:)
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I was always under the impression that this is what happened to the majority of Flight 93's fuel.

What?

Fake picture? Silly me.:rolleyes:
 
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