The 25 fulfilled prophecies of Isaiah chapter 53

[DOC]

If Jesus does Fullfill Isaiah, where are his children?

Well the Chapter does not use the word children, but even if it did, Christians are sometimes referred to as the children of God, And preachers will sometimes call a church member "Child of God". And of course Christ often refers to God as the Father. So if we do the will of God we can be considered His children (or offspring).

 

[Lothian]

Well the Chapter does not use the word children, but even if it did, Christians are sometimes referred to as the children of God, And preachers will sometimes call a church member "Child of God". And of course Christ often refers to God as the Father. So if we do the will of God we can be considered His children (or offspring).

lol

 

[dafydd]

Doc follows in the path of The Bellman from Lewis Caroll's 'The Hunting Of The Snark''.

'What I tell you three times is true'.

 

[Hokulele]

Well the Chapter does not use the word children, but even if it did, Christians are sometimes referred to as the children of God, And preachers will sometimes call a church member "Child of God". And of course Christ often refers to God as the Father. So if we do the will of God we can be considered His children (or offspring).

Nothing like a good old-fashioned self-fulfilling prophecy!

 

[kedo1981]

Boy Doc I gota hand it to you ya sure know how to get us hell bound atheists in a lather.

But please just address this one issue.

From the King James
Isaiah chapter 53
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

How does this describe Jesus, who had followers for his entire ministry, who spoke before hundreds at the sermon on the mount?

Please answer this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[joobz]

Well the Chapter does not use the word children,

You are right. It uses the word descendants.
A descendant is the offspring of a person.

but even if it did, Christians are sometimes referred to as the children of God, And preachers will sometimes call a church member "Child of God". And of course Christ often refers to God as the Father. So if we do the will of God we can be considered His children (or offspring).

Nope.
You are bending words to retrofit your wishes into reality.

Sorry buy offspring and descendants are not children of god.


The irony here, DOC, is that you claim that "descendants" are a metaphor for christians as christians are called "the children of god".


YET, you also claim that "Son of God" means the actua son of god, even though that was historically used as a metaphor.

So I ask, why is "Son of god" not a metaphor, yet descendant is a metaphor?


Let me give the honest answer to that question: Because you want it to be.

 

[Dancing David]

*I* discussed Isaiah! I showed how the "prophesy" in Isaiah was fulfilled by Harry Potter!


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The they was singular as in DOC. Ooops.

 

[Dancing David]

Literal when I mean literal and metaphorical when it serves my purpose.

 

[Cactus Wren]

I was walking through the woods one day, and I noticed that many of the trees had circles drawn on the bark -- some large circles, some small, but all carefully drawn in chalk. And at the very center of each circle was an arrow, driven deep into the bark and the wood.

I marveled at this: surely someone must be a very talented archer! And before I'd walked much farther, I met a stranger with a quiver of arrows, carrying a bow in one hand and a stick of chalk in the other.

"Are you the archer who's shot all these arrows into these trees?" I asked.

"Yes, I am," said the archer.

"You're quite gifted," I said. "Every single arrow that I've seen is shot directly into the center of a circle -- not even a hairsbreadth off! How did you achieve such precision without even a single error?"

"It's very simple," said the archer. "First I shoot the arrow. Then I draw the circle."

 

[DOC]

From the King James
Isaiah chapter 53

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

How does this describe Jesus, who had followers for his entire ministry, who spoke before hundreds at the sermon on the mount?

Please answer this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus was despised by the legalistic religious leaders of his day who wanted him dead and they eventually got their wish (for a while anyway). His life was in danger even before he was arrested. He knew hunger, rejection, betrayal (by Judas), the knowledge that he was going to killed, and the eventual beating, torture, mocking, and the humiliation of being crucified in the nude by one of the most painful deaths possible. Yes he was a man acquainted with grief and sorrow.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Drawing bullseyes around the arrows, how apt.

 

[joobz]

Jesus was despised by the legalistic religious leaders of his day who wanted him dead and they eventually got their wish (for a while anyway). His life was in danger even before he was arrested. He knew hunger, rejection, betrayal (by Judas), the knowledge that he was going to killed, and the eventual beating, torture, mocking, and the humiliation of being crucified in the nude by one of the most painful deaths possible. Yes he was a man acquainted with grief and sorrow.

All of which contradicts the "being led like a lamb to the slaughter" aspect of the Isaiah poem.
Thank you for proving that point.

 

[tsig]

Jesus was despised by the legalistic religious leaders of his day who wanted him dead and they eventually got their wish (for a while anyway). His life was in danger even before he was arrested. He knew hunger, rejection, betrayal (by Judas), the knowledge that he was going to killed, and the eventual beating, torture, mocking, and the humiliation of being crucified in the nude by one of the most painful deaths possible. Yes he was a man acquainted with grief and sorrow.

Being god he could just make the pain go away.

Of course, Jesus being god's sock puppet knew it was all just a Punch and Judy show all the time.

 

[MIKILLINI]

All of which contradicts the "being led like a lamb to the slaughter" aspect of the Isaiah poem.
Thank you for proving that point.

Or God leading his fleshly self to slaughter.

 

[paximperium]

Or God leading his fleshly self to slaughter.

Jesuscide? Suicide? Deus-cide? You decide!

 

[DOC]

All of which contradicts the "being led like a lamb to the slaughter" aspect of the Isaiah poem.
Thank you for proving that point.

Would you say this prophecy is more accurate with regards to Jesus who was forced to carry his own cross and led to his own execution (during Passover) or to the nation of Israel.

From Wiki's article "Lamb of God"

{Lamb of God} refers to Jesus' role as a sacrifice atoning for the sins of man in Christian theology, harkening back to ancient Hebrew sacrifices in which a lamb was slain during the passover In the original Passover in Egypt, the blood was smeared on the door posts and lintel of each household ((Exodus 12:1-28).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_of_God

 

[paximperium]

Would you say this prophecy is more accurate with regards to Jesus who was forced to carry his own cross and led to his own execution (during Passover) or to the nation of Israel.

From Wiki's article "Lamb of God"

{Lamb of God} refers to Jesus' role as a sacrifice atoning for the sins of man in Christian theology, harkening back to ancient Hebrew sacrifices in which a lamb was slain during the passover In the original Passover in Egypt, the blood was smeared on the door posts and lintel of each household ((Exodus 12:1-28).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamb_of_God

The Jews disagree:
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=48&Itemid=373

 

[zooterkin]

Would you say this prophecy is more accurate with regards to Jesus who was forced to carry his own cross and led to his own execution (during Passover) or to the nation of Israel.

How about you establish that there is such a thing as prophecy first, then we can decide if specific examples are accurate?

 

[joobz]

Would you say this prophecy is more accurate with regards to Jesus who was forced to carry his own cross and led to his own execution (during Passover) or to the nation of Israel.

Nope. You are only supporting my point:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/204770.html
Lamb to the slaughter:
"In an unconcerned manner - unaware of any impending catastrophe."

Considering that Jesus was fully aware of the "impending catastrophe" it's impossible for isaiah to be referring to jesus.

ETA:
So far, in this thread alone, you have claimed that
Lamb of god is a metaphor
Children of god is a metaphor
Yet, for some reason, you claim that Son of god isn't a metaphor.

 

[DOC]

Nope. You are only supporting my point:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/204770.html
Lamb to the slaughter:
"In an unconcerned manner - unaware of any impending catastrophe."

Considering that Jesus was fully aware of the "impending catastrophe" it's impossible for isaiah to be referring to jesus.

Was the Jewish nation fully aware of impending death? You didn't answer my question:

Would you say this prophecy about the lamb to slaughter is more accurate with regards to Jesus who was forced to carry his own cross and led to his own execution (during Passover) or to the Jewish nation"?

ETA: And if you say Jewish nation -- why?