no serial numbers were identified from flight 77

[Gavron]

...and when he finds his truth, he will put it on his website.

Oh wait, he doesnt have one.

ok, he'll put it on the forums.

Oh wait, he has been banned on most of them.

ok, he'll go before the news and expose his secret Critic.

Oh wait, it doesnt exist.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

Ultima, I note that you have had ample time to post multiple entries, but have not yet addressed my very pertinent question. Would you please do so? For your convenience, here it is:

Ultima, Kreel, HI: I have a very serious question, and if you don't answer any other, I'd like you to consider answering this one.


You'd like proof that a particular aircraft hit the Pentagon. What sort of proof would be acceptable? What evidence could be presented that couldn't be faked?

I ask because I'm puzzled by the demand for serial numbers. If this whole thing was faked, if the DNA was planted and a bomb went off and the ATC and FDNY and NIST and FBI were all in on it...surely it would be a trivial matter to make sure that any plane parts that were planted were properly labeled?

Before people jump through hoops providing evidence, perhaps you could explain what evidence could be presented that a)couldn't be faked, and b)would convince you that you might be wrong?

I do not know if AA77 crashed there or not since i was not there and do not have all the evidence.

The problem with "I didn't see it, therefore we don't know" is that you can use it on anything and you end up sounding ridiculous. Watch:

I have never been to Australia, therefore I don't know if it exists. Despite my having seen koalas and kangaroos at the zoo, documentaries on aborigines, a video of a concert at the opera house, and "Crocodile Dundee", since I have never been there I cannot know for sure whether it exists.

There is a reason that we sometimes (often!) defer to the experts. No one can know everything, so we specialize. It doesn't stop us from functioning. Millions of people have never actually seen a fuel tank, but it doesn't stop them from putting gas in their cars.


(My apologies to all you so-called "Aussies". You are obviously unwitting dupes in TAC (The Australian Conspiracy) and you have my pity.)

 

[Gavron]

And you are accomplishing this how? If the AA77 serial numbers are so integral to you "finding the truth," do you think that you're going to find them here? Or maybe run into someone that's seen them or has better links than you do?

JoeyDonuts,

You hit the nail right on the head.

I always amazes me....here is a person, with supposed NSA clearance...that has to go to public conspiracy forums to find evidence? Doesnt that sound odd?

 

[TJM]

Look at the all that evidence you believers are supposed to have, you have more then i do, or so you say.

See, but here's what you fail, fail and freakin FAIL to understand: We DO have the "facts and evidence" on OUR SIDE. You have NOTHING, NADA, ZERO, ZILCH, ZIP that confirms your alternate explanations. Therefore, it is ON YOU to REFUTE US. All the trolling on your part WILL NEVER CHANGE THAT.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Why can't you accept the fact that we do not have all the evidnece and reports to trully know what happened that day?

I tend to be pragmatic, if I don't have one article of corroboration I like to look at what IS available and relevant to the issue. The passenger identification, and American Airline parts scattered both inside and outside of the building... as well as the lack of the actual plane reaching its destination tend to be strong indicators... The evidence I have seen provides me with enough reasonable certainty that the plane ended up lodge inside the pentagon, despite the lack of a specific serial number that you're demanding.

 

[Shalamar]

show me the joint fbi and ntsb crime scene reports that identify all the planes.

Oh thats right they have not been released.

omg! No planes!

 

[JoeyDonuts]

I was rather pleased with myself. Came up with a fantastic analogy for the unreasonable thinking ULTIMA1 displays towards evidence.

It's like standing underneath a giant oak tree, screaming that it doesn't exist because you haven't been hit in the head with an acorn yet.

 

[A W Smith]

Why can't you accept the fact that we do not have all the evidnece and reports to trully know what happened that day?

Because in a NORMAL society. ( a society which is not predominantly populated by paranoid has been's that never were, looking to point blame for their shortcomings and project their lack of morals onto the rest of society in the form of a vast conspiracy) there is already sufficient evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that flight 77 which took off from Dulles at 8:20 am was in fact commandeered thirty minutes later by extremist middle eastern terrorists which flew flight 77. along with all its passengers into the wall of the pentagon at 09:37 am on sept 11, 2001.

 

[ULTIMA1]

there is already sufficient evidence to prove without a shadow of a doubt that flight 77 which took off from Dulles at 8:20 am was in fact comadeered thirty minutes later by extremist middle eastern terrorists which flew flight 77. along with all its passenders into the wall of the pentagon at 09:37 am on sept 11, 2001.

Its just too bad the majority of this so called evidence you have would not hold up in court as real evidence.

 

[Gavron]

...except for that pesky Moussaoui trial, where it was held up in court as evidence, and found the defendant guilty

 

[A W Smith]

Originally Posted by ULTIMA1
WRONG, not all please do research. And what were the bodies doing outside when the plane was all inside?

Go ahead, name all the passengers who were found outside of the outer wall of the pentagon.

still waiting boy blunder, and I didn't even say "all" . conflate much?

 

[ULTIMA1]

...except for that pesky Moussaoui trial, where it was held up in court as evidence, and found the defendant guilty

Just to bad you still cannot show those serial numbers.

 

[A W Smith]

Its just too bad the majority of this so called evidence you have would not hold up in court as real evidence.

It already has

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui

 

[ULTIMA1]

still waiting boy blunder, and I didn't even say "all" . conflate much?

I am not wasting my time since you will not post anythign i ask for.

 

[jhunter1163]

Roger has made 234 posts since 4:30 pm today, just under eight hours. The forum software only lets you post once a minute, so the maximum number of posts possible is only about 450. Now THAT'S dedication. Or something.

 

[ULTIMA1]

It already has

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacarias_Moussaoui

The offical story was not on trial was it?

I am talking about the evidence you have for the official story would not hold up in court now as real evidence, in fact it probably be laughed out of court.

 

[ULTIMA1]

Roger has made 234 posts since 4:30 pm today, just under eight hours. The forum software only lets you post once a minute, so the maximum number of posts possible is only about 450. Now THAT'S dedication. Or something.

Well so many closed minds to try to get through.

 

[A W Smith]

Just to bad you still cannot show those serial numbers.

don't even need to see them. As I have explained above. Some jackass in this very thread already hand waved off the tail numbers as "paint". You would just wave them off using "chain of evidence" or whatever.

 

[JoeyDonuts]

Just to bad you still cannot show those serial numbers.

Yeah. It's also too bad I can't stroll right into Langley and look at whatever classified information suits my fancy. That might have something to do with the fact that I really have no business doing so.

Those serial numbers from the investigation are not releasable for a reason, and I'm pretty damn sure that the reason is not to cover up something, or to confound people who still have their doubts about the version of events as presented by the government.

So why do you think the serial numbers aren't available to the general public?

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Just to bad you still cannot show those serial numbers.

These from the first page?